Muhammad (pbuh), the Last Prophet

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Please stop calling Islamic beliefs lies.

You disagree with what they teach and believe, but don’t disrespect them. You don’t expect a Muslim to walk into a church during Mass and call the Eucharist idolatry.

My face drops every time a Muslim defends his religion, but then someone replies “why do you persist on trying to indoctrinate us with your lies and false religion?” Come on, you’re not going to win any debate like that.
 
Muhammed oversaw the execution of PoWs when 900 members of the Banu QUaresh were slaughterd. He took one of the Banu Quaresh women for his wife.
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Myths & Facts About the Banu Qurayzah**

Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi

The Christian missionaries have been making a lot of noise about the circumstances surrounding the Banu Qurayzah. It is a wonder that even after countless of explanations on the matter, they still want to play on this old, tired polemic. Regardless, it is about time that an answer is given to checkmate the nonsense surrounding the issue once and for all. Here, we shall attempt to address the myths about the Banu Qurayzah and establish the real facts, as follows.
  1. MYTH:
The Banu Qurayza are innocent victims who perished under the sword of Muhammad(P)

FACT:

Not true at all. On the contrary, the Banu Qurayzah prior to the incident of their so-called “massacre” attempted to betray the Muslims by openly aligning themselves with the Confederate armies (consisting of the pagan Quraysh and their allies) during the beseiging of the city of Madinah, known in history as the “War of the Confederates” (al-Harb al-Adzhaab). This is a significant act of treason, because they had earlier pledged to uphold the Madinan Covenent with the Muslims, which stipulates cooperation and an alliance if the Muslims in Madinah were attacked by a foreign force.
  1. MYTH:
The Prophet(P)ordered this punishment of the Banu Qurayza.

FACT:

Wrong. It was a Companion of the Prophet(P) by the name Saad ibn Muaz(R), an Ansar and the ally of the Banu Quraizah, who did that after the Banu Qurayzah leaders met with him and agreed to submit to whatever his judgement would be for their crimes against the Muslims.
  1. MYTH:
The “massacre” was ordered on Muhammad’s says-so. This is because Muhammad feared the Jews and recognised that they were a threat to his political dominance.

FACT:

The claim is of no substance apart from being a blasphemous lie. It is clear that Saad ibn Muaz(R) have administered the punishment in accordance with Jewish law as found in the Torah. The law is:

"When the Lord thy God hath delivered it unto thy hands, thou shalt smite every male therein with the edge of the sword: but the women, and the little ones and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself." (Deuteronomy 20:12)

It is therefore clear that Muslims are not to be blamed for administering a Law that is found within the Jewish scripture itself upon the Jews who had earlier agreed to submit to Saad ibn Muaz’s judgement.
  1. MYTH:
The Prophet (P) allowed this Law to be passed because he was inhuman and unmerciful.

FACT:

The reason why the Prophet (P) allowed judgement according to Jewish law was because the Banu Qurayzah were Jews, and in their initial agreement with the Prophet(P), they were allowed their own system of law according to the Torah. The Prophet(P) neither influenced the decision nor was he involved in any stage of the decision-making, as the representatives of Banu Qurayzah did not seek his judgement.
 
Myths & Facts About the Banu Qurayzah
Mohd Elfie Nieshaem Juferi

The Christian missionaries have been making a lot of noise about the circumstances surrounding the Banu Qurayzah. It is a wonder that even after countless of explanations on the matter, they still want to play on this old, tired polemic. Regardless, it is about time that an answer is given to checkmate the nonsense surrounding the issue once and for all. Here, we shall attempt to address the myths about the Banu Qurayzah and establish the real facts, as follows.
  1. MYTH:
The Banu Qurayza are innocent victims who perished under the sword of Muhammad(P)
I already noted that you guys claim that they were justifiably slaughtered. To you, they’re not ‘innocent’. They were however PoWs. They had surrendered.
 
RE: Banu Qurayzah and the real facts…You said:
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Myths & Facts About the Banu Qurayzah**3. MYTH:

The “massacre” was ordered on Muhammad’s says-so. This is because Muhammad feared the Jews and recognised that they were a threat to his political dominance.

FACT:

The claim is of no substance apart from being a blasphemous lie. It is clear that Saad ibn Muaz(R) have administered the punishment in accordance with Jewish law as found in the Torah. The law is:

"When the Lord thy God hath delivered it unto thy hands, thou shalt smite every male therein with the edge of the sword: but the women, and the little ones and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself." (Deuteronomy 20:12)

It is therefore clear that Muslims are not to be blamed for administering a Law that is found within the Jewish scripture itself upon the Jews who had earlier agreed to submit to Saad ibn Muaz’s judgement.
The quote from Scripture (Jewish law) was God’s word to the Jews re: a PARTICULAR people group (those living in “The Promised Land” before them), at a PARTICULAR time. It was not God’s word to them about EVERY foreign nation for ALL time. Therefore, how was this not a misapplication of Jewish law by Mohammed?

Just curious…
 
RE: Banu Qurayzah and the real facts…You said:

The quote from Scripture (Jewish law) was God’s word to the Jews re: a PARTICULAR people group (those living in “The Promised Land” before them), at a PARTICULAR time. It was not God’s word to them about EVERY foreign nation for ALL time. Therefore, how was this not a misapplication of Jewish law by Mohammed?

Just curious…
What’s amazing too is another Moslem attempt to use the Bible that they claim has been distorted. They can’t make up their minds if it’s been corrupted, or not.
 
RE: Banu Qurayzah and the real facts…You said:

The quote from Scripture (Jewish law) was God’s word to the Jews re: a PARTICULAR people group (those living in “The Promised Land” before them), at a PARTICULAR time. It was not God’s word to them about EVERY foreign nation for ALL time. Therefore, how was this not a misapplication of Jewish law by Mohammed?

Just curious…
The Bible contains quite a few narrations describing how the ancient Jews applied their laws towards the Gentiles when they were engaged in conflicts with them.

And so, if Jews were allowed to apply the law as written in their scriptures when dealing with their non-Jewish adversaries, why is it wrong then for non-Jews to administer Jewish laws to Jews especially when they themselves have asked to be tried and judged by their own laws?
 
Please stop calling Islamic beliefs lies.

You disagree with what they teach and believe, but don’t disrespect them. You don’t expect a Muslim to walk into a church during Mass and call the Eucharist idolatry.

My face drops every time a Muslim defends his religion, but then someone replies “why do you persist on trying to indoctrinate us with your lies and false religion?” Come on, you’re not going to win any debate like that.
Have you read the entire thread? I suggest you do, and note that the Muslim apologists have turned the discussion from one about Muhammad into one about the corruption in the Bible. They Call the Holy Spirit, St John, and others liars. This is how they try to prove their religion.

Does your face drop every time a Muslim says all that Christians believe in is a lie or corrupt?
 
Yes,God has feet and hands etc. in the person of Christ Incarnate. He still has these in a Glorified state in heaven. If you seen me you have seen the Father :cool:
God must have dead on cross too. right?

In Bible we see many times Jesus (pbuh) ate and drunk. Quran too says about the same.

Quran 5:75 -The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!

Why Quran is so stressed ‘Jesus (pbuh) and Mary (ra) ate food’?

Because if we eat food, naturally we will have to face the call of nature. We will have to go to toilet. As you said above, God do have hands, legs, face and ‘back’ but in ‘glorified state’ in heaven. So he must be having a mouth, he must be having a stomach and internal organs; right?

Does God go to toilet?:rolleyes:
 
God must have dead on cross too. right?

In Bible we see many times Jesus (pbuh) ate and drunk. Quran too says about the same.

Quran 5:75 -The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!

Why Quran is so stressed ‘Jesus (pbuh) and Mary (ra) ate food’?

Because if we eat food, naturally we will have to face the call of nature. We will have to go to toilet. As you said above, God do have hands, legs, face and ‘back’ but in ‘glorified state’ in heaven. So he must be having a mouth, he must be having a stomach and internal organs; right?

Does God go to toilet?:rolleyes:
You think you’re being funny, but what you really are is just insulting.
 
Jesus did when he was here on earth with an earthly body. Now he has a glorified body, so no. The fact that God became man in all our details is one of the things that shows how much he loves us.
 
I agree with the Bible, Some things are literal, some things are figurative. But what about you? How can God be only one person when all through the Qur’an God refers to himself as WE.
God is speaking to a humans. He used human language for it. He used WE just as Queen Elizabeth uses it to refer herself. In my country, the Kings use to say the same to refer themself. But none of us never understood it as reference of multipersonality.

He clearly answered the question if he is one or more.

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. -Quran 112:1-4

You can find the same in Bible too (answering the question if he is one or three or more) in Duet 6:4 and in Mark 12:29.

‘The Lord our God is one.’

But you simply ignore that and start interpreting tri-unity.
 
Thanks. A true story, as you know, because I showed the hadees to you not too long ago. You thanked me because it was new to you. If you want others to read your holy book, or to understand it and your prophet, a personal quote coming from a Sunni Muslim would have greater weight than coming from me.

I do know the context, it is a conflicting account of Mohameds reaction to the very first visitation by the spirit.

The conclusion is clear unless you deny the validity of the hadees. He started to climb up to throw himself off. You can also conclude that this was a story told in fondness, but well after the real event because it is different than the more accepted story that it was after about a 3 mile walk back from the cave to his wife in Mecca where he only mentioned being afraid by an unknown spirit. Someone else wrongly concluded and told him it was from God because Mohamed did not know who/what tossed him around.

I think the full story about Mohamed is he was a average, but sincere man looking for God. He was surprised by a very physical and frightning spiritual event. It clearly upset Mohammed, so much so that one story has him wanting to kill himself by climbing up the mountain to throw himself off, stopped by the same spirit, before returning home to his wife not knowing if it was an evil Jinn, or god that he saw. She tries to calm him down and for advice goes to her old Christian uncle who says it must be from God and tells Mohamed his is a prophet. The haddess reports Mohamed asks a questuion that can be see to have been fulfilled prophecy when viewed later. The Christian unlce never converted, and neither did his childhood protector.

The spirit from the cave didn’t show up again for another 3 years!
So, what does it prove? Does it prove that the one that appeared to Mohamed (pbuh) was a Good Jinn? No. Does it prove that the one that appeared to Mohamed (pbuh) was an Evil Jinn? No. An Evil Spirit; Satan; Devil or any spirit or anything that we know? NO.

Just as the the one that appeared to Paul, was it Jesus (pbuh) or any evil spirit? or Devil or just an imagination?

The answer is, these things happened centuries ago to certain individuals. Today we cannot prove it or disprove it with evidence. What we have today is the message that they brought. We do have the message that Mohamed (pbuh) gave and the message that Paul gave. Check the authenticity of the words of paul. What we see? We see that Paul says the exact opposite that Jesus (pbuh) taught in your own Bible. He invalidated previous commandmends that Jesus (pbuh) asked to follow. Paul only was giving new interpretations for Origonal Sin and inheritance of sin while Jesus (pbuh) validated the previous commandmends including Ezekiel 18:20 which says No one will pay for the sin of another.

Same way, we have Quran too, which itself clearly says it is from God. Let’s evaluate that message to prove or disprove, if the Spirit that appeared to Mohamed (pbuh) was truly from God or not, rather than senseless assumptions.
 
But it doesn’t contradict with his also fully human nature!
Don’t you think before answer? Do you say that ‘Full human nature’ didn’t know, feel or recognose the Godly nature in himself? Does that statement make any sense to you?

Jesus (pbuh) clearly wanted to be saved from cross. To understand that, you have to recognise a man called Jesus (pbuh) who never said he is God; Who never acted like God; Who lived like a man; who worshiped his God; who asked us to worship his God; Who said, all his works, miracles, words and thoughts are from HIS GOD which is our God too.
 
God must have dead on cross too. right?

In Bible we see many times Jesus (pbuh) ate and drunk. Quran too says about the same.

Quran 5:75 -The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!

Why Quran is so stressed ‘Jesus (pbuh) and Mary (ra) ate food’?

Because if we eat food, naturally we will have to face the call of nature. We will have to go to toilet. As you said above, God do have hands, legs, face and ‘back’ but in ‘glorified state’ in heaven. So he must be having a mouth, he must be having a stomach and internal organs; right?

Does God go to toilet?:rolleyes:
I AM FED UP WITH YOUR BLASPHEMING AGAINST OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. IF YOU CAN"T BE CIVIL GET OUT OF HERE.:mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Genesis 17:19 But God said, (ie., Not with Ishmael,who was born through Hagar, Sarah servant girl.) SO THERE IS NO COVENANT WITH GOD FOR ISHMAEL AND HIS DESCENDANTS.ie., Muhammad.
Don’t you ever wonder or just wanted to know who wrote Genesis? But as a Muslim, I must ask; who wrote this? Was he authorised by God to write it? Because I cannot swallow anything that anyone teaches. Let me quote, what I got about the authenticity of Genesis.

“Historically, Jews and Christians alike have held that Moses was the author/compiler of the first five books of the OT. These books, known also as the Pentateuch (meaning “five-volumed book”), were referred to in Jewish tradition as the five fifths of the law (of Moses). The Bible itself suggests Mosaic authorship of Genesis, since Ac 15:1 refers to circumcision as “the custom taught by Moses,” an allusion of Ge 17. However, a certain amount of later editorial updating does appear to be indicated (see, e.g., notes on 14:14; 36:31; 47:11). (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 2)”
 
I AM FED UP WITH YOUR BLASPHEMING AGAINST OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. IF YOU CAN"T BE CIVIL GET OUT OF HERE.:mad: :mad: :mad:
Why don’t you just open up your mind and think the blasphemious teachings you believe about God?
 
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