Muhammad, the last prophet and messenger according to the Quran?

[discipleofJesus]

Does the Quran say that Muhammad is the last prophet? If so, where?

Does the Quran say that Muhammad is the last messenger? If so, where?

 

[Joseph_Alison]

Salaam Brother DOJ;

discipleofJesus:

Does the Quran say that Muhammad is the last prophet? If so, where?
Does the Quran say that Muhammad is the last messenger? If so, where?

Here is the verse: " Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.(Qur’an 33:40)

Salaam.
Joseph.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Seal of prophet… Is that mean the Last prophet? Any other source at that time recorded that muhammad was apointed as the last prophet except fm the Quran?

 

[Shenango]

seal of the prophets…not prophet…and there are also several Hadiths which affirm the Qur’an in this subject.

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Hadith is there to back up Quran. I meant another historical record except from Quran or hadith.

 

[Shenango]

Cyber Knight:

Hadith is there to back up Quran. I meant another historical record except from Quran or hadith.

Pardon me Cyber Knight, but what are you getting at? I’m sure the Sirah mentions it too: is that good enough? I mean, what are you asking for? A secular source that makes a theological claim, such as Muhammad (PBUH) being the last prophet of God? What good is that, and where will you find such source? And if you did find it, what does it tell you? Please clarify your reasoning and methodology.

 

[Plato]

Can anyone recommend some good books on Islam from a Catholic perspective?

Warm regards,

Plato

 

[Shenango]

Plato:

Can anyone recommend some good books on Islam from a Catholic perspective?

Just a word to the wise…don’t go learning about Islam from Catholic sources. They are often inaccurate, distorted, and even bigoted and wind up as misinformed polemics more than anything else.

The best spokesperson for a religion are members of that religion. I’d never go to a fellow Muslim to learn about Christianity, or tell me what Christians believe. I’m dismayed at the number of people on this site who are only too willing to let Catholics speak for other groups.

If you want to learn about Islam, read a book by a Muslim or ask Muslims for God’s sake…

 

[Plato]

Shenango:

Just a word to the wise…don’t go learning about Islam from Catholic sources. They are often inaccurate, distorted, and even bigoted and wind up as misinformed polemics more than anything else.

The best spokesperson for a religion are members of that religion. I’d never go to a fellow Muslim to learn about Christianity, or tell me what Christians believe. I’m dismayed at the number of people on this site who are only too willing to let Catholics speak for other groups.

If you want to learn about Islam, read a book by a Muslim or ask Muslims for God’s sake…

Well . . . can you recommend a book by written by a Muslim that has a *balanced * perspective?

Plato

 

[Plato]

So, what do you think of a Christian writer who was a former Muslim? Wouldn’t you think this kind of author is worth reading?

One writer such writer is Dr. Mark A. Gabriel . Now he has a lot of interesting things to say about Islam from both a Muslim and Christian perspective. This is what I mean about balance. I’m sure some Muslims may not appreciate what he has to say on some things about Islam.

If you’re not familiar, check out some of his books on Amazon.com

Plato

 

[r.gonzales]

Shenango:

I’m dismayed at the number of people on this site who are only too willing to let Catholics speak for other groups.

that’s pretty much the western mentality though… “they cannot represent themselves, so they must be represented.”

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Shena, why dont you answer my question? Or you do not have any clue that muhammad was the last prophet fm other source? Jesus was crucified and even those who did not believe in him cited that this guy was being crucified by the romans. The same issue i want to apply to muhammad, beside self appointed as (the last) prophet, and Quranic claim, do you have other evidence fm people at that time that is not muslim but citing and witnessing that muhammad indeed say he was the last prophet…

 

[Plato]

Interesting. Would anyone like to reconcile Dr. Mark A. Gabriel’s claims? I provided a link to his brief testimony on Islam. He was a former Iman and professor of Islamic history in Cairo, Egypt.

The western mentality is also critical. Yes, sometimes too critical too our detriment, but nevertheless helpful in trying to derive some truths.

Plato

 

[Cyber_Knight]

Time is change my friend. You cant wish all people would give you a holy joly and comfortable discussion and then alluding us with your sugar coated story about islam. Thats enough. And its time to move on to something worth to be known by the catholics here what Islam really is. We pretty much see what you practice it not what you say it.

 

[Plato]

Cyber Knight:

Shena, why dont you answer my question? Or you do not have any clue that muhammad was the last prophet fm other source? Jesus was crucified and even those who did not believe in him cited that this guy was being crucified by the romans. The same issue i want to apply to muhammad, beside self appointed as (the last) prophet, and Quranic claim, do you have other evidence fm people at that time that is not muslim but citing and witnessing that muhammad indeed say he was the last prophet…

See what I mean by critically minded Westerners? It’s a good question. In fact, a simple question. Why no response? I didn’t even get response, but I look forward to them anyway

Plato

 

[Plato]

Cyber Knight:

Time is change my friend. You cant wish all people would give you a holy joly and comfortable discussion and then alluding us with your sugar coated story about islam. Thats enough. And its time to move on to something worth to be known by the catholics here what Islam really is. We pretty much see what you practice it not what you say it.

I understand. But I still think there are holy Muslims that don’t condone violence. Like in Christianity, there are different points of view. We’re all spritual cousins in faith through Abraham.

Plato

 

[Shenango]

Cyber Knight:

Shena, why dont you answer my question? Or you do not have any clue that muhammad was the last prophet fm other source? Jesus was crucified and even those who did not believe in him cited that this guy was being crucified by the romans. The same issue i want to apply to muhammad, beside self appointed as (the last) prophet, and Quranic claim, do you have other evidence fm people at that time that is not muslim but citing and witnessing that muhammad indeed say he was the last prophet…

Sigh… :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

It’s such a waste of time being here…it really is…what a shame.

CyberKnight: before asking people to answer your posts, you have to first make some sense.

The same issue i want to apply to muhammad

Clearly you’ve not understood how to do it correctly…because your current post makes no sense and cannot be responded to in the form it is. Basically, what you’re doing here is to compare an apple to an orange, and then say the orange is the better orange. Go ponder about this a good while…

I’m out for the day…

 

[coptic_believer]

Plato:

Can anyone recommend some good books on Islam from a Catholic perspective?

Warm regards,

Plato

Here’s one book

“Inside Islam: A Guide for Catholics” by Robert Spencer and Daniel Ali
amazon.com/gp/product/0965922855/ref=ase_robertspencer-20/002-3217113-6378406?s=books&v=glance&n=283155&tagActionCode=robertspencer-20

It’s also listed here
jihadwatch.org/books/

Robert Spencer is a Catholic, you can read about him here jihadwatch.org/spencer/

Daniel Ali is a former Muslim who converted and became a Catholic.

Check out this thread titled ‘Catholic Resources On Islam’ forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=90547 for more Catholic resources on Islam.

 

[Shenango]

Plato:

So, what do you think of a Christian writer who was a former Muslim? Wouldn’t you think this kind of author is worth reading?

Most that I’ve read are just as misinformed about their former faith as Christian writers would be about Islam, so their claim to authority from having been Muslim actually rings pretty hollow.

I’m sure some Muslims may not appreciate what he has to say on some things about Islam.

Most of the things he writes just aren’t true…or at least are distorted.

The thing about the jizyah that the guy said to him that made him think was actually pretty dumb…and he was pretty stupid not to be able to find a refutation for it. For one the jizyah applies only to an Islamic state for dealing with its citizens, not normative person-to-person relationships.

Another example is the claim he makes about contradiction between Surah 47:15 and Surah 5:90. Now that’s really just moronic and infantile. Wine is forbidden, yes, but the heavenly “wine” that people are allowed to drink in Paradise (47:15) is non-intoxicating and pure…the Qur’an says in other parts.

I could go on, but what’s the point? I’ve even read bigger authors like the Caner brothers, who wrote “Unveiling Islam”, and who claim to be “former Muslims” who “discovered Christ”. Perhaps they were Muslims by sticky label only, but their book makes it clear they did not have even beyond elementary-level knowledge of Islam.

This is the way of such authors…most of them are incompetent, complete dimwits.

Someone else suggested Robert Spencer…he’s certainly a good choice…you should read him if you would read a book by Satan to learn about God.

 

[Plato]

Shenango,

Are you formally trained in the Islamic religion? I mean . . . Do you have any academic credentials such as a Bachelors, Masters or Ph.D. in Islamic studies ? You’re repudiating all convert writers from Islam to Christianity. Don’t these authors have some credit? Dr. Mark A. Gabriel is a PhD. on Islamic studies. So, this guy doens’t know anything? How about others who have taken up the task to understand Islam, but attempt to present the religion from an objective point of view?

Recently, Barbara Walters presented a documentary entitled " Does Heaven Exist?" ( not sure about the title). She interviewed all kinds of people of different faiths and philosophies. She even interviewed a would-be Muslim bomber in a jail in Israel. The man told her that he belived in being rewarded with 72 virgins in Heaven if he died for Islam. The reason for 72 virgins was so that he, and others, can enjoy sex in heaven. He also said that Barbara would go to hell, as well as everyone else, who didn’t convert to Islam.

Later, Barbara Walters interviews a Muslim scholar who says that all that stuff about 72 virgins is false and that Islam was a religion of peace. Of course, this is someone I would listen to.

Shenango, are there many different interpretations of the Qu’ran? And if so, why would converts from Islam to Christianity be considered *dimwits * for presenting their views on Islam? These don’t seem like stupid people. I agree that not all their claims maybe trustworthy from your point of view, and mine, but you just trashed these kinds of authors.

Lastly, why do you post here? I 'm happy that you do so that the rest of us can get a different point of view - but why?

Plato