Muhammed predicted the end of Islam.

[Sam_777]

**Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0271: **
“…the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole.”

صحيح مسلم:
عن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏إن الإسلام بدأ غريبا وسيعود غريبا كما بدأ وهو ‏ ‏يأرز ‏ ‏بين المسجدين كما تأرز الحية في جحرها ‏
(E) (A)

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That’s an authentic hadith, and I personally don’t know whether that prediction will ever be fulfilled, as we are seeing nowadays, Islam has reached more than 1.5 Billion followers worldwide and counting, also why he liken it like a serpent!, shouldn’t it last till the end of the days if its a true religion form God The Most High!. Or maybe Muhammed knew that his religion is a man made and it wouldn’t survive all that long so he predicted the end of it!

what do you think?

 

[FightingFat]

I don’t know, so I’m only guessing. If you think about what was going on at the time, perhaps the Prophet was referring to the conquering monster than was the Islamic war-machine. Perhaps what he meant was that once the jihad was won, at the end of that struggle, the ummawould withdraw from war into peace?

Either way, I don’t believe the Prophet was a prophet, or that he could predict the future so I don’t expect it to come true particularly. I think Islam may well recede, if it is defeated by reason. It has not been through the crucible of the Enlightenment period that religion faced in the West and the greatest sin is Islam is disbelief, which is convenient!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

… he predicted the end of it!

what do you think?

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said,

“The Last Day will not come until ISLAM has entered into every home on earth.”

Today ISLAM is the world’s fastest growing religion - Even after Sept. 11, 2001.

Why Are So Many People Entering Islam-Even After Sept.11?"…

islamtomorrow.com/converts/

 

[FightingFat]

Why Are So Many People Entering Islam-Even After Sept.11?"…

Because they’re scared? Because if you’re born in an Islamic country, you don’t have any other option? Because Muslims are busy persecuting Christians? Don’t believe me? Check it out for yourself- barnabasfund.org/

Other religions are *haram *in Islamic countries, are they not?

Salaam/peace

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said,

“The Last Day will not come until ISLAM has entered into every home on earth.”

That’s right people, you heard it here first, we’re all going to be Muslim according to the Prophet, whether we like it, or not!

 

[bpbasilphx]

So Mahomet predicted the end of Mahometanism.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I bear witness there is NO GOD but Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God Incarnate risen from the dead!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

Because they’re scared?

yap , Muslims are chasing western people with swords in hands
on the horse http://myislamweb.com/forum/Smileys/default/horse.gif
so western people have no choice but to accept Islam

 

[Nicholas82]

Salaam/peace

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said,

“The Last Day will not come until ISLAM has entered into every home on earth.”

Today ISLAM is the world’s fastest growing religion - Even after Sept. 11, 2001.

Why Are So Many People Entering Islam-Even After Sept.11?"…

islamtomorrow.com/converts/

I think I just spit up in my mouth a little… Stay out of my home islam! :knight2:

 

[planten]

**Sam_777, Muhammad predicted the end of Islam. Perhaps he did and may have had some important meaning too. The prophets predicted the end of the world too. So please tell us what is your point in bringing in this issue?

May I ask you a counter question? Did Jesus not predict : “The klingdom of God will be taken away from you…”? What do you say about that prediction of Jesus?**

 

[swariffin]

Salaam/peace

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said,

“The Last Day will not come until ISLAM has entered into every home on earth.”

Today ISLAM is the world’s fastest growing religion - Even after Sept. 11, 2001.

Why Are So Many People Entering Islam-Even After Sept.11?"…

islamtomorrow.com/converts/

Dear Muslim Woman,

Do you have any source to refute what Sam brought up? Please share them with us.

 

[swariffin]

So Mahomet predicted the end of Mahometanism.

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

I bear witness there is NO GOD but Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus is God Incarnate risen from the dead!

His action was followed by Einstein, you know. Einstein predicted the break of his own law in a phenomenon such as a black hole. I think Muhammad was a humble man, in this case.

 

[swariffin]

Salaam/peace

yap , Muslims are chasing western people with swords in hands
on the horse http://myislamweb.com/forum/Smileys/default/horse.gif
so western people have no choice but to accept Islam

Come on, Planten has tried out of his best to promote the peaceful Islam. Planten has argued so much about no compulsion in Islam.
You are betraying him.

 

[swariffin]

**Sam_777, Muhammad predicted the end of Islam. Perhaps he did and may have had some important meaning too. The prophets predicted the end of the world too. So please tell us what is your point in bringing in this issue?

May I ask you a counter question? Did Jesus not predict : “The klingdom of God will be taken away from you…”? What do you say about that prediction of Jesus?**

Quote, Please??

 

[greylorn]

His action was followed by Einstein, you know. Einstein predicted the break of his own law in a phenomenon such as a black hole. I think Muhammad was a humble man, in this case.

Why quote someone whose writings you’ve not read, and whose mathematics you cannot follow, to justify a self-proclaimed prophet?

 

[dzheremi]

Why quote someone whose writings you’ve not read, and whose mathematics you cannot follow, to justify a self-proclaimed prophet?

Why are you replying so disrespectfully to Swariffin? He is Catholic, not “justifying” Muhammad by any means.

 

[Sam_777]

I don’t know, so I’m only guessing. If you think about what was going on at the time, perhaps the Prophet was referring to the conquering monster than was the Islamic war-machine. Perhaps what he meant was that once the jihad was won, at the end of that struggle, the ummawould withdraw from war into peace?

Or maybe Muhammed new that the true Islam with all its precise teachings from doing Jihad to taking tribute will not stand till the end of the days, as we’re seen today we have many sects in Islam and non of them are implementing Islam 100%.

 

[Sam_777]

Sam_777, Muhammad predicted the end of Islam. Perhaps he did and may have had some important meaning too. The prophets predicted the end of the world too. So please tell us what is your point in bringing in this issue?

My point is why Muhammed predicted that end if his religion was truly from God, logically shouldn’t that indicates that he knew that its man made and not from the true God?, look at Islam today, its everywhere!, does it indicate that it will end or become a strange!, I don’t think so, indeed everyday Muslim population sequentially increases because of the unlimited polygamy marriage.

However, I’m bringing up such things here on CAF because of the following reasons:

• I want to know that I’ve interpreted all my assumptions about Islam right before leaving it.
• I want to bring up the authentic hadiths that our Muslim clerics are trying to hide.
• I want the non-Arabic speakers to know what Islam really teaches, not just what the Muslims cleric are showing.**
  **

May I ask you a counter question? Did Jesus not predict : “The klingdom of God will be taken away from you…”? What do you say about that prediction of Jesus?

Did you read that thoroughly!
Here is the full text to understand that:

(Matthew 21:23-46):
“Jesus entered the temple courts, and, while he was teaching, the chief priests and the elders of the people came to him. “By what authority are you doing these things?” they asked. “And who gave you this authority?” Jesus replied, “I will also ask you one question. If you answer me, I will tell you by what authority I am doing these things. John’s baptism—where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or from men?” They discussed it among themselves and said, "If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Then why didn’t you believe him?’ But if we say, ‘From men’—we are afraid of the people, for they all hold that John was a prophet."So they answered Jesus, “We don’t know.” Then he said, "Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things. The Parable of the Two Sons "What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’ " ‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
"Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go. “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. The Parable of the Tenants "Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit. "The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said. "But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.” Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes? “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.” When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.”

:bible1: The Christians are the ones whom produce its fruit.
Brother planten, pray for God The Most High to show you the true religion.

 

[planten]

My point is why Muhammed predicted that end if his religion was truly from God, logically shouldn’t that indicates that he knew that its man made and not from the true God?, look at Islam today, its everywhere!, does it indicate that it will end or become a strange!, I don’t think so, indeed everyday Muslim population sequentially increases because of the unlimited polygamy marriage.

However, I’m bringing up such things here on CAF because of the following reasons:

• I want to know that I’ve interpreted all my assumptions about Islam right before leaving it.
• I want to bring up the authentic hadiths that our Muslim clerics are trying to hide.
• I want the non-Arabic speakers to know what Islam really teaches, not just what the Muslims cleric are showing.**
  **

** Sam, Thanks for running to the Hadith so quickly. It would not help you unless you support the Hadith by verses of the Quran.

Sam, I asked a question whether Jesus wrote anything with his hands. You have given a very long good quotation from the bible NT which does not show that Jesus used to write anything.

Anyhow the quotes from the bible are very useful because they support my claims too and they support the coming of Muhammad whose coming was the coming of God Himself. He was not God yet his coming is described in the Quran as if it God himself who came.

God did not come for Jesus. Jesus was only supported and helped by the Holy spirit. But God came for Muhammad and helped Muhammad with the Holy Spirit too.

Now about what is presented below: I have colored the part which is pointing to the coming of the prophet Muhammad in Red. The coming of the son in the parable of the tenants was the Coming of Jesus who is called the son of God. The Tenants tried to kill that son (Jesus). So Jesus himself is asking 'What would the Landlord do?" He himself is replying that He will come himself and will kill the tenants.
The coming of the Landlord after Jesus was the coming of Muhammad.**

Did you read that thoroughly!
Here is the full text to understand that:

(Matthew 21:23-46):
"Jesus entered the temple courts, and, while he was teaching, the chief priests and the elders of the people came to him. “By what authority are you doing these things?” they asked. “And who gave you this authority?” Jesus replied, “I will also ask you one question. If you answer me, I will tell you by what authority I am doing these things. John’s baptism—where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or from men?” They discussed it among themselves and said, "If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Then why didn’t you believe him?’ But if we say, ‘From men’—we are afraid of the people, for they all hold that John was a prophet."So they answered Jesus, “We don’t know.” Then he said, "Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things.

They were the wise words of Jesus, the prophet, and we agree to them. Continued in next post….

 

[planten]

Continued for sam…

The Parable of the Two Sons "What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’ " ‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
"Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go. “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

That is also good words of Jesus the prophet and we agree to these sayings.

The Parable of the Tenants "Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit. "The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way.
Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said. "But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
“Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”
Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes? “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.” When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. . They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

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** Sam, thanks for presenting this part of bible NT. Understand that Landowner is the Lord Almighty God, vineyard is the WORLD. Farmers are the people. Servants are the prophets of God. Tenants are the wicked people.More servants means more prophets.
Son means Jesus.
Other tenants are the Christians and Muslims.

The stone or Capstone is also called the corner stone. It is in Makkah in the corner of Ka’abah. which is from the time of Abraham and Jesus knew all about it.**

:bible1: The Christians are the ones whom produce its fruit.
Brother planten, pray for God The Most High to show you the true religion.

You may understand as you like. We understand as we do. Thanks.

 

[FightingFat]

We understand as we do. Thanks.

Like, not at all! Crikey what a load of unbelievable nonsense! The capstone is in the Kabbah? Do you know how many times Jesus used this analogy and in what context? Its meaning is clear. Jesus also acknowledges that He and His Father are one. No where does He allude to the coming of another Prophet. To say Mohammed is GOD sounds incredibly blasphemous to me! I am rather shocked at how far you will twist reality!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

… why Muhammed predicted that end if his religion was truly from God,

Prophet (p) predicted that Jesus (p) will offer salat with Muslims , will destroy Crosses & he will follow Islam i.e. follow the teaching of Muhammed (p) . Do you believe in all these ?

Muslim population sequentially increases because of the unlimited polygamy marriage.

and Christians are increasing because of unlimited illegal relationships ? Which way is better & lawful by God’s command ?

• I want to know that I’ve interpreted all my assumptions about Islam right before leaving it.

huh…what do you mean ? U left Islam already…all your threads / posts prove it . Don’t be a hypocrite .

• I want to bring up the authentic hadiths that our Muslim clerics are trying to hide.

In the past , ordinary people of other faith had no access to their holy books . It was under the control of religious leaders only. In Islam , since the beginning ordinary people had access to Quran & Hadith. No question of hiding anything from anyone. God ordered us to spread the messages about God’s chosen religion.

• I want the non-Arabic speakers to know what Islam really teaches,

Islam teaches that God is one & God will punish the hypocrites in the lowest part of hell.