Murder of priests of jesuits in Moscow

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On October 28th, Father Otto Messmer died, died as the martyr. I remember, one day we have spoken with Father Otto about death. I’ve asked him if I shall die, to serve upon me the ancient Trent Mass, I and couldn’t think that he will leave before me. Therefore for the sake of him I serve my Mass, the Mass of truth, rather looking for the truth, since Mass it is a serving to the God. And everyone can serve the God the way he can. The Mass to defend his honest name. As Christ said to the pupils, “That you hear secretly, preach out loud on the roofs”.
His death is tried to be presented as a domestic murder, but the one who knew this person will never believe in that, and the one who knew him very well, won’t believe in that at all. Thus church authorities, Vatican and the top management of Society of Jesus, trying to make a gentle face, during an evil action. They pretend that are interested in investigation, etc. Actually not only they have killed that holy person, but they also trying to bespatter his reputation. Certainly, they are not doing that by their own hands, but giving journalists favorable for them information, different for each country, they choose that there will be apprehended by the inhabitant on hurrah. For Russia it is “zest”, for Kazakhstan where everyone knew Father Otto and would not believe in such thing, it is a robbery, at least it was described that way to Kazakhstan people at first days. And, for example, for the USA, it is a hint at the conflict of Catholics and orthodox. Though Orthodox in this business are not involved at all. Though it is necessary to outline, that all hierarchs no matter what religion, whether Catholics, Orthodox or Protestants, all are hypocrites and possesors! Thus, clerics leave for themselves an opening, ostensibly that in this business a lot of discrepancies and they conduct a parallel investigation. Now, a little about an official version. It is a lot you can get by yourself in the Internet. Here only citations from the Russian press on the Internet and similar press in the USA.
“Bodies of two monks-jesuits have been found in the center of Moscow. The murderer has broken heads of 42-years old Victor Betankur and 47-years old Otto Messmer. A five-room apartment on Petrovka street in which there was a tragedy, belongs to the Russian division of an Jesuits Order of Catholic church and it is specially intended for residing at it of monks. One of killed - Otto Messmer - was the head of this division. He has recently received the Russian citizenship. The second, the citizen of Ecuador Victor Betankur - made services in a temple of the Sacred Lui on Lubianka street.
As police informed, priests were missing on 26th October. Since then they did not get in touch with anybody and did not answer calls. At last on October 28th the bookkeeper of the organization Paul Subbotin managed to get through on the phone to an apartment. But the receiver was picked up by the stranger. He spoke in English, with strong accent. Besides he was obviously drunk. On requests to call to phone Otto or Victor has muttered, that they are sleeping, and has hung up. The frustrated Subbotin has decided to go to an apartment himself. Having pushed unlocked door, he has entered and has shuddered: everywhere there were traces of blood. Having seen bodies of the monks, the frightened bookkeeper has caused police.
In an apartment detectives have found empty bottles of absinthe liqueur, packs of cigarettes and… two used condoms. Also have found out, that during murder there was someone, the third person. But who? It has appeared, that Victor Betankur had close enough communications with students of RUDN University, had been respectable in that society. And with one of them - the Cuban - was in close and enough intimate relationships. This information provided one of members of an Order, the close friend of the victim. Neighbors of the house as well saw fleeing out of an entrance the man looked like a Latin American.
Investigation works on two basic versions of murder: because of personal dislike or with the purpose of a robbery (while detectives did not manage to find out, whether something from an apartment was gone). Main suspected - that Cuban”.
Might the murdered priests have been involved in “aggressive” proselytism?Maria Cioccoloni, a Jesuit spokeswoman in Rome, says that for seven years Betancourt handled pastoral relations with Russians who were possibly interested in joining the Society of Jesus. It’s unclear what that entailed. “He was doing pastoral work with students and people in the parish, with young people,” Cioccoloni says. Asked if those young people were already Catholics, she says, "[They] don’t have to be [Catholics] – they can also be from other religions."Catholic-Orthodox relations have been rocky since the east-west division of Christianity in 1054. John Paul II, the late Polish pope, had sought to improve ties with the church of his country’s giant neighbor, but Russian Orthodox officials never granted his lifelong wish to visit Russia.In 2004, 300 religious leaders gathered in Russia to pray for strengthening religious tolerance. But tellingly, Catholics were not included among the invited “traditional” religions of Orthodoxy, Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism.Catholics and other non-Orthodox Christian denominations in Russia have also been victims of past violence. A Slovak priest was killed in 2005 in Bryansk, apparently by robbers, while an American Episcopal priest was killed last August in Moscow. The motives were unclear. Non-Orthodox Christian leaders in Russia complain frequently that the authorities and police often act belatedly to their pleas for protection. Completely prohonour this clause. You can to this address. turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=60741
And on all English-speaking Internet a lot of articles with similar hints.
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And on all English-speaking Internet a lot of articles with similar hints.

And, what about the church and colleagues Jesuits? They always hypocritically speak about amnesty and a nonviolence. Leaving itself a place for maneuver. They also not intended to deny that filth. Because the have did that. And is that really nobody can think about plausible version of what happened or simply do not want to think? In fact all yells about obvious discrepancies.
Let’s look at the facts. Why a difference in time between murders is 20 hours? Would the murderer really sit 20 hours near a body in vain? If that was domestic murder, he for certain would be frightened and has escaped, with a high probability having taken with himself money or values, but according to investigation nothing was taken from an apartment. So this is the first discrepancy. And all that because, from an easy hand of colleagues has been put up side down. We shall begin that if Father Otto have been killed not because of Father Betankur, but vise versa, this discrepancy is completely gone. Why father Betankur has been killed for? Here the citation “And with one of them - the Cuban - was in close and enough intimate relationships. This information provided one of members of an Order, the close friend of the victim.” Usually, the church tries to cover such a similar rumors and business of the servants, and here, by the colleagues of the died priests, tries to expose all filth, the question - why? Whether for that to hide something greater? I do not know father Betankur, but I know father Otto, it the priest from the God and the monk on a calling, I do not think about him in such situation, I know him more than 5 years. Probably, if father Betankur had doubtful acquaintances in what I personally doubt he have been killed for creation of the necessary settings, it is very convenient, robberies were already, and here what to do, Catholics, all of them such people, specially for the grateful Russian spectator. And at the same time have got rid of the unnecessary witness, in fact they lived in one apartment and father Betankur for certain had known a lot. That is both problems are solved at one stroke. The settings is created and the witness is removed.
Further, discrepancy with mobile phone. Why Father Otto, according his mother saying, called her home from the airport. Called actually in several hours after leaving her and called not from mobile phone, which always was with him, but from the public telephone? Means, someone has taken away a mobile already in Germany, and they simply allowed to call his mother. In such coincidence that mobile has been lost, have been stolen, before death etc. I personally do not believe.
Further, on Saturday he send to me sms in which writes: “How are you doing? I Hope on Sunday morning to be in Moscow”. Later on it became known he had a ticket for Monday. Unfortunately on Saturday I did not read sms, but have read it on Sunday, and then replied that message. And the answer was the silence. Certainly, I have started to worry, and on Monday have sent 3 more sms with a question: “Padre anything happened with you? Tell me please” And the silence again, I began to call on his mobile and home phone and work number, there was silence too. Usually we communicate through sms when he goes on trips but on that week he sent me unusually many sms. And all ideas were such as “How badly I want home”, that surprised me as well and I have replied “Padre as you said before, that you the monk at you don’t have home. Where do you want to go?” He answered “Why don’t I have home?, my home is there where is good for me, near mum, near you”. So notice, he is constantly sending me sms and always quickly replies on mine ones. Also there wasn’t even once time when he would not answer my call even he was very busy, he answered a phone and apologized. So, since Sunday everything like has broken off. On my call to institute I was told, that he has not returned yet from business trip, on what I was surprised as so, he should arrive already on Sunday. I thought, that if all was all right and the flight was cancelled or he has bought another ticket, he would let me know about it or been bored sitting in the airport, he would send me sms but he even does not pick up a phone. There is a call and no answer.
 
I called him in the morning, during the lunch time and in the evening on Monday, then began to call in the morning on Tuesday on a mobile, he did not answer. And then his home telephone answered, the person with accent has told, me that: “Padre Otto has arrived late and resting now”, I have thought, that it is one of monks brothers, especially the voice has seemed to me familiar, as well as the accent and a manner to speak, but was probable not sober which surprised me much. With me he spoke with accent, but in good Russian, it is obvious the person knows well language and in Russia not the first year. I had such feeling that he already answered my calls earlier, maybe year or two years ago. As the detective has told in our conversation that now they search for some Caucasian man with whom ostensibly, according to the same brothers father Betankur had friendship. Now trying to confuse investigation process. In fact, the people who called land line telephone, the bookkeeper I and I called too in the morning and this person picked up the phone, could not recognize the Georgian accent. I have calmed down a little bit, though I should not calm down, and have to search for the address of that flat and to call police and ambulance there, I will never forgive myself this calm, but my calmness has sufficed exactly till a dinner. But after a dinner on Tuesday, nobody pick up a phone, and on Wednesday mobile began to give out the report on inaccessibility of the subscriber that tells about that most likely phone’s battery was flat or sim-card has been taken out of mobile phone. On Wednesday home telephone number was busy, in institute I was told “Look news”, also were absolutely not willing to speak with me. That it is clear, in this society I wasn’t known. On Tuesday I saw a report, it informed that the priest from Novosibirsk was murdered, it didn’t bring me any calm. By the way, during our conversation with the detective at the moment of October 30th he has said, that mobile was gone and is not found yet though the search was made in an apartment, that can mean, that Father Otto did not have it for a long time or that mobile was taken away by the murderer for not exposing the call in and out the mobile. So mobile phone have been taken away at the airport by those who have decided to kill him, so being frightened could not give a sign to somebody at the last minute, or he wanted, that I have begun to worry and begin to look for him. But, unfortunately, even in my minds I could not imagine this idea. That is all about the cellular issue.
Next discrepancy. According to the detective who interrogated me, death f. Betankur and f. Messmer has occured with a time gap of 20 hours. F. Betankur was not already on Sunday Mass, and father Otto according to the same detective has arrived from business trip at Monday night? Though to me said, he will arrive on Sunday. That means the murderer waited for him 20 or at least 10 hours, why I say at least, because according to investigation version, that f. Otto after a craniocereberal trauma, heart still worked, some time, but I think, hardly, that it worked more than one, two hours. What further, even having killed father Otto, the murderer still at least the half of day stays in an apartment? The question is what he is doing? May be he prepares a feast settings and cleans any documentary traces of a crime.
 
Why the criminal stay with bodies in an apartment almost day and even, answers calls that have not lifted alarm? Not then whether, that someone has had time to leave the country? For creation of such setting of feast and fight and murder because of domestic reasons, it is one hour maximum. Besides the prospective murderer not forgot to shoe himself to witnesses in the blood shirt and it is the end of October when it is logical to wear a jacket. It besides tried to create an image of such reckless murderer. And brothers Jesuits also have prompted where for him to search, in RUDN University. And father Betankur have been killed, for settings and as the witness. Looks like they perished because of their own malices.
It is interesting as that fact that has surprised even detectives, that nobody met Father Otto at the airport. Though it was, among Catholic hierarches 3rd person in Moscow. The detective has told, surprisingly that less significant people are met by the whole delegation, and here is nobody. But it is possible to understand, Father Otto did not demand to itself attention, was very modest, also some considered him less than nothing, besides all that has been planned so that even if someone would want it to meet, could not. As he spoke me before departure and wrote on sms, that arrives in the morning on Sunday, and he has arrived according the tickets which were checked up by detectives on Monday night. Still strange, what ostensibly all have taken alarm but a question why so late? In fact f. Betankur was not on Sunday Mass and it looks so, that anybody before a certain time, did not wish to look for anybody.
From here a question why? Because this murder is ordered and well planned. And brothers Jesuits too if did not know exactly guessed, that it better not to go there before the time. Where from such ideas comes? From the facts listed above.
Further, for some reason brothers Jesuits have not informed investigation, about a large financial scandal has occurred during this half of year in an Order with participation of a brother Jesuit from Mexico? When I have told it to the detective he was surprised, that brothers have held back such fact. About Caucasian man have told to help the investigation, and about scandal silence. Scandal which has amazed Father Otto as it spoke: “I at all did not expect such aggressive reaction and did not know, how it is better to act”. Instead of that they have recollected about some Caucasian man even though witnesses neighbours saw Latino American person. Why they have not recollected about this scandal?!
So, he tells me about scandal with a colleague, then that he has set strict measures to him and has established other rules. As he has told, money from an Order were deduced, greater money to absolutely not clear people. How the colleague reacts to strict measures? It has simply disobeyed the order and has run away, and has dared to make it, possibly, knowing, that will be covered from above, a higher management. Possibly in this case the authorities of an average and maximum Jesuit part washing and stealing money, it is no secret, that to Russia and former republics of money are allocated considerable. And all of them go through Moscow, nothing has changed since times of the USSR.
So, not absolutely clearly, that father Otto, in general did on this post, in fact because of his character, it is not for him. For that him, the person of other sort meek and more called for service to pray and service Mass, a confession, shepherd also have put on this post to use and then to clean. I do not see other explanation for the discrepancies. And he repeatedly spoke, that he has been used, but he is devoted to church and brothers. Brothers as I see, have hurried nim to discredit. And I know, that the last a half of year, he changed, he shared something with me about something did not said, but he often spoke, that simply everyone use him and, he is trustful to near people and brothers use it.
 
Besides he was yoked his position. As was the person very kind and soft. He said, that many considered him not clever man, but how much I know, he is very clever and perspicacious person, is simple he was modest and never brace himself. That even becomes clearer from my further narration. How he left to me hints that I did not believe anything that will occur further or more truly how it will represent people. So last of half of year he spoke constantly about the finance as, that he does not understand in these questions but, most likely, he all the same saw, that something goes not so. And so we shall ask to ourselves still a question who and what for has put the person with such gentle disposition and not understanding in the finance on such post? Who and what for has made it?! I always, was perplexed, such gentle person as he copes with brothers, in fact it is clear all not so simply in man’s collective. Where it is necessary and to be strong. Possibly such gentle person, instead of cheety one was favourable to someone at present, on it to a post. For whom, clearly, for brothers of the jesuits sitting in very soft armchairs, they it Used in the frauds, whether they important stole money or have contacted a mafia and washed them. It was favourable, but the general here was replaced, and new метла on new метет and other person was necessary on this post, and term has approached in November, according to father Otto, it should replace, here and have replaced. And possibly being afraid, whether that will call someone a rank above and it as the soldier a little, will be compelled to tell, and it is necessary to hand over the business, to the new person. And so there is no person, there is no problem. Have solved term, it to prolong officially, for creation of visibility and that not so all this is evident, but have replaced such by. It is strange, as, that as I have learned, only after death of Father Otto, it has been approved on the post for the second term, it to me has told nothing, though knew, that I experienced, that it will translate in other city, the country, etc. It knew, that I shall be delighted, having learned, but knew also, that it does not become, I think therefore, and has not told to not disappoint.
Or it stood on whose that ways, as well as father Betankur, decided to accept the Russian citizenship. Whether colleagues have important made it or whether have taken advantage of services of doubtful friends, but they have killed it and the award of jesuits and church is guilty in it. Besides it many times repeated, as citizenship is necessary for it, that messages financial and legal business. Urgently citizenship a management of church and an award also demanded. And before death, it legalized papers at the notary at what long could not issue because in one office at it even asked confirming the letter from Vatican, but possibly it knew, that it will not give, and searched for another, eventually, it has issued them. Who knows, what it were for papers and where they now?
Further surprises, that, according to witnesses, they have found, when have entered into an apartment. They have seen, a brothel on kitchen, but why if it there was a rough party. In all other rooms there was an ideal order?! In fact such cannot be, someone will necessarily drop a cigarette, will turn things, etc. Especially, if a party such rough what it try to present. And so everywhere the ideal order, except for kitchen. According to the witness, come one of the first in an apartment both known well and father Betankura, and father Otto, in one of bedrooms father Betankur in the usual pose laid on a bed, having turned in a blanket with sticking out barefooted legs, and around blood. And the body of father Otto, lays in a pose of the soldier, veins as the soldier as has died, hands on seams and on a stomach, across Doors. Boots of Father Otto accurately stood on the usual place, in the same place, according to the witness, the jacket hung also, and it has been dressed, as well as has left from mother. Under it too blood. Most likely, as to me it is thought, father Betankura have killed in a dream, and Father Otto, those who conducted it from Germany or the one who has then met here have resulted, those whom it perfectly knew and have killed, having put so that to not look to it to face. To both have broken heads, having struck from 6 up to 7 times of everyone. On kitchen all too was not less strange. There were only two spots of blood, there were no traces of struggle. And spots of blood, what that, according to the witness strange, in blood a corner of a cloth and blood on a floor which as though tried to wipe, simply cloth at all not dipping it in water. As if simply having dipped in a pool of blood a cloth, can the same cloth, and has simply smeared a spot of blood on kitchen. According to the eyewitness, it was similar to it.
 
Proceeding from it even the version of that Father Otto has come and has casually found, all this a disgrace, is not viable, too many discrepancies, since silence cellular and finishing that father Betankur has died more than 10 hours prior to arrival of Father Otto. Means, the murderer waited for Father Otto, besides, having killed, it has not left yet at once, and sits till the evening and answers phone calls. And have brought to kill падре Отто, to Russia, in hope for slowness of the Russian law enforcement bodies, besides it the Russian citizen, and in the Europe likely страшновато was, more chances of disclosing of a crime, and сценку such that under it to kill at one stroke a two not You will create. I shall not be surprised, if when will not pass a variant which so impose to people, and a variant it is necessary to tell, someone is just thought over for Russia well? Vodka, condoms, blueness кавказец, a full gentlemen’s set, хавайте клубничку, misters? That it also will accuse of waste of money of an award. And probably Father Otto will blacken twice. But I have no right, to be silent, looking at all this. Proceeding from everything, that I know, one conclusion the churchmen have killed Father Otto, that, by the way, has come to at once mind and mine to relatives, and I think, many who does not take on all belief and furthermore know it, too will think as.
Well, and now, as to an emotional part. Communicating with it, I saw these five years, that it is pure душою the person very responsible, at times it seemed to me, that its this feeling of the responsibility гипертрофированно. Devoted to vows and bearing all of them of burden courageously and joyfully, devoted to the belief and church which so with it has acted. And in general it is difficult to make good impression upon me, especially to the priest. I never fed on their account of illusions and always spoke them in eyes about their lacks. Besides not I of one such opinion on it, I think everyone who it knew, including the sister the nun who before my arrival to Moscow, has given me its coordinate, with words:? He/she is the sacred person?.
Such person as Father Otto, I think, more in my life any more will not be, it was the person who never put parishioners above itself, always was human and sensitive. It has come in священство to serve, instead of to dominate or money. My God, yes it even clothes new, almost did not buy also the unique portfolio, presented to it and that not so dear, was weighed and has given its colleague. About that it took part in similar, it is full delirium, it and to drink that did not love, well sometimes beer pair glasses or a glass of wine. It at us was frequent for holidays, and in general drinking person it is visible at once.
For those five years, that I know Father Otto, we had friendly attitudes, it even to it was surprised and spoke, that feels, that can trust in me. Therefore, that to it was, more easy to communicate I did not aspire in its circle of dialogue and refused even its invitations, I felt, that so to it it will be easier, and it would be heavy to me to support dialogue in its circles. And to it on advantage when is with whom to talk outside of a circle where it is necessary to turn constantly, it and spoke, that I an outlet for it. One month prior to murder Father Otto in general to become itself not the . It speaks about death, about a duty, that all its business are not suitable anywhere. So, it often spoke, recently, that seemed to me strange:? I cannot stand up for myself and the relatives?. In our last meeting, it in general behaved, as as if says goodbye, I shuddered from its many words, it is not so much from them, how many how it said them. It also behaved so in our last meetings as the person to whom already all all the same, that is not peculiar to it, it always was such collected and constrained.
 
Last month, Father Otto, spoke all and did so that I yet did not understand, but after it did not become, all this has developed at me in a full picture. It was afraid to tell to me while was alive, but not for itself was afraid, and for me and knew, that goes on death and goes from a duty. But likely did not wish to tell to me everything because knew, that I ужаснусь and shall start to take at once measures and to set all the bells aringing. But it already up to a trip, knew, that will be, is killed and knew whom and why. I represent, as it мучился. Not only that it have killed, how many have delivered to it before tortures and sufferings. Therefore, it has visited mum, in my opinion, even two times.
Also it is necessary to give due to courage of Father Otto. It knew all and went on it, sacrificed itself, but wished to let know even to me, that everything, that about it will speak lie and that it was lost, covering church authorities and submitting to it on a vow. I though and the believing person, but church never had such a priority in my life, the priority in it is the God, I came only behind a participle. Its many affairs to me were known, about which what guessed, but it was not so sharply for me though I and expressed much, but always thought, all right, I come here not for the sake of people and always myself constrained. But forgive churches murder of such Sacred person I cannot and I consider, such church and a penny ломанного is not necessary. Such which does not appreciate such people, does not appreciate these particles of piety, and sacrifices to their intrigues. Though in our conversations it so it is zealous this church screened and protected, before me.
On it I consider as more impossible to visit, church. And I have solved, that last for me Месса was served by Father Otto and in the life I have received last participle from its Sacred hands. I do not wish to accept it more to not soil, received from hands of Father Otto a participle, a participle from unworthy hands as also to the relatives, it more I do not advise. Now I am not surprised, why the christianity in the Europe dies. They устали, from these intrigues. To Vatican, I wish to tell, that if wish to exist still, as the organization you should destroy a Jesuit award and not as in due time at Ekaterina Vtoroj when jesuits have escaped in Russia. A tumour cut out, but cancer cells have remained and again have developed, and to burn out, каленым iron. And that you have no right to carry a name CHURCH.
I am not going to be silent, covering authority of church killing, sacred people and the more so people dear to me. It has accepted martyr death. It, as well as the Christ, have simply sold. All these church hierarches have not changed since times фарисеев and книжников, people sent by the God, and appearing among them, they kill.
For, proceeding, from all facts and all emotions there is no other variant. Yes probably I have stated all not so skilfully and emotionally, but I think also the facts, that I have presented, can quite help to see a picture those as it is to the one who wishes to see the truth. Everyone who has committed it, impudently and at all not troubling itself to keep the honour, killed, hope to remain unpunished, but I shall pray, that the God has rendered it for all of sufferings in one thousand крат. They can leave from justice, but not from the God. And on последок, last strangeness, shout dying. When we spoke last time on icq, it has sent me a verse and has told, that ostensibly they were sent it by the poet, and it asked me as I think, whether it is not necessary to publish them in Jesuit magazine. At what speaks me literally the following:? Here to you the beginning of the first verse as it to you? Also prints to me in icq четверостишье which I shall write below.
Unfortunately documentary certificates, all our conversations, under its request I have not kept, now I understand, of whom it was afraid, asking all to delete. And even knew, how will arrange its death, from here these verses. There there is all both authority and money and a pain and disappointment. But it even to me, knowing everything, that with it will make beforehand, wished to let know, that it will kill and besides оболгут.
Further it asks, very much asks to read through all verses, on my words that is strange to print all this such verses in Jesuit magazine, speaks yes, I too so think, I shall put them in archive, that too me have surprised, I have thought, what for in archive, it like never took a great interest in such seditious verses. And strange that it me persistently asked their prohonour though knew that I do not take a great interest in verses. Also has told to me:? Likely the poet wanted simply money, at jesuits that of money? Hens do not peck? Also has asked me to find all about the poet, to it I too was surprised, how was found out, this poet is rather successful also I has thought, that in that small money, that the magazine would pay to it, hardly requires.
And now I understand, these verses, it exposed, exposed a life in which lived. That is it again suggested an idea me about money., but the document that it has sent me these verses and asked prohonour from me was kept, there even there is a date which speaks, about that that has sent it it before last business trip. I have put a screenshot of a mail box. As well as all the verses sent by it. So, here it четверостишье with which it has allocated for me in our last conversation on ICQ.

”Behind the stage’s black curtain,
Already can’t be seen
Half rubbed price tags
For life and death, for truth and false…”
Holy Padre Otto Messmer. Pray for us!
 
It should sadden all of us, this brutal attack on our priests. May they rest in peace and may justice come for the killer. Our sympathies go out to the Jesuit community as well as the family and friends of both of these good priests. May the angels lead them into Paradise.
 
Sympathies? The Jesuit society also has killed these priests!
 
Perhaps they have, and they will have to do atonement for their sins as well. So may God have mercy on them as well as for all of us. This brutal murder deserves justice, and perhaps it will have to wait for the Lord’s judgment before justice is served, but indeed it will.
 
And now here on whom have hung up убийсвто considering the stated facts, as to you it. The SHAME!!! Employees of investigatory bodies have detained the person suspected of fulfilment of murder of two Catholic priests, members " Jesus’s Society " (awards of jesuits). The arrested person has admitted a crime, transfer “Messages.” The 38-years native of the Tver area has been detained on Thursday in the morning. During interrogation it has recognized the fault in fulfilment of a crime and has repented in содеянном. On Friday in court it will be solved a question on election to the arrested person of a preventive punishment in the form of the conclusion under the guard, informs investigatory management of investigatory committee at Office of Public Prosecutor of the Russian Federation across Moscow. The arrested person has admitted, that because of " suddenly arisen personal aversions " it has killed Victor Betankura, then to an apartment has unexpectedly come Отто Мессмер, which it also has killed to hide the crime accomplished by it earlier.
 
I am confused. Was it a Jesuit who killed the two Catholic Jesuit priests or who was it.

Why are they trying to smear Father Otto as unclever?

Is this something that is happening in Russia to the Catholic Church?

I understand some of the discrepancies.
 
40 days.
It passed 40 days, since I have lost my confessor and what do we have by this time? On mass-media even have already presented suspected in this murder. In the message which has acted in “Interfax” from investigatory management of Investigatory committee at Office of Public Prosecutor (OPP) the Russian Federation, it is spoken, that the arrested person-a certain citizen around 1970 date of birth, the native of the Tver area, has already admitted that he has killed Otto Messmer and Victor Betankur, and has repented in what was made. Considering all circumstances and that what was written with the same press week earlier there is nothing to say. No comments. The only thing, that from myself I shall note, that earlier never reflected on similarity Latinos and inhabitants of the Tver area. As the comment, on the statements in nine day’s mass, I have received some letters. For the beginning I shall result, the citation from correspondence with one woman. At what further themes this correspondence more interestingly developed. At the beginning I shall share the first letter.
At what further themes this correspondence more interestingly developed. At the beginning I shall share the first letter. “His life is very similar to Jesus’ way. And as Jesus has based church so father Otto has constructed church in Astana. The place has been located on a former dump. It now beside there passes a presidential line. As he with love and diligence of all this did! When the church was under construction, father Otto spent divine services on Fridays in the evening. he spoke - let builders see our diligence and more quickly build to us a temple. If the first services we constructed shops from bricks and boards in the further, coming on Friday, we saw, that builders prepared us places. When the temple has been constructed also it the cardinal has consecrated, I have told to father Otto - now you are waited with a dignity of bishop for such work. On what he has answered - I do not want it, I wish to remain the simple priest and to serve the God and people. Therefore I have been very surprised, when have learned about its post.” “Has gone to church, there very kind sister the nun began to ask, why I do not go to church. I have told her, that when there was father Otto, we had a community, and now - a market-station. I have still added - father Otto would pull out me from depression. She has told me, that can give his address. It was on October, 27th. On October, 28th she has sent me on an Internet his address, I have written to him the letter in the evening. Unfortunately, he already never will read through it. I some days waited the answer because he always at once answered, never disregarded anybody.”
” Since November, 1st I sit on the Internet, I look all news, I search though for something, that would throw light on this dark history. I at once rejected the story with sexual contacts. I did not know about Victor, but I have been assured of cleanliness of father Otto! So different and vile, that it is unpleasant to read All to news. Everywhere just misunderstanding. Your letter has put all points above i. Thank you”
On my request to use the letter for 40 days, this woman has told it is not necessary and further few days later her tone sharply varies also she starts to contradict already to herself. I do not know with what it is connected. Probably, the church has lead the soul saving conversations, is possible also a difference in style of a writing, forces me so to think wrote already other person or is written under dictation of other person. For this reason I have found possible, nevertheless
 
to use here these letters, especially considering, that fact that all of them are sent to me. And so the following letter.
“At us in Astana anybody at all has not begun to doubt in its decency… In Astana people consider him martyr. And the most important. He never spoke and at all did not allow to think badly of Church. He lived to it. Therefore to shout that something not so, we cannot because he did not do so. Now our Churches work about the European standard. Father Otto explained it to me, therefore and the service is conducted. And we in an another’s monastery with our charter cannot climb. If something does not arrange us, we can refuse it. There is a smart phrase - everyone wish to alter the world, but nobody wishes to alter himself. Namely this is what father Otto also helped us to understand. He asked to come to Church for the sake of itself and Jesus. And haven’t you noticed, that the more we start to shout about his decency, the more people start to doubt of it. At once there is at them a question - why you speak it? Hi is the Catholic priest! He has his own life. He gave vows. Where from do you know all this?, etc. I read a lot of messages about him, tried to justify in the some people, and it turned out even worse. Therefore I consider so, let his soul rest in peace, he is allready with God, for him I shall pray only. If somebody will ask, I shall tell about him. Only good things certainly. Even after your letter there is a comment which forces to doubt of yours truth… (Do not take offence) to me it doesn’t matter, I knew him very well; therefore I take only the positive information. We shall begin with sharp change of tone of the letter. Further, I was surprised with strangeness: the person whom simply parishioner and in general, speaks that for a long time did not visit church - writes such phrase:” Now our Churches work under the European standard”. What does it mean” Our churches”? Whose ours? Whose lips speak it?
Who can tell “Our churches” and to declare mere mortals, that they in them like in another’s monastery? Also what for the standard such? What for the standard here is available in view of? Or under the European standard it is necessary to kill decent priests? Further, the person who only two days ago thanks me that I have written, speaks me, that the more we speak about decency of the person, the it is more people in it doubt. Means, let’s stand in a side and observe, how man dips into a dirt and then, for sure nobody will doubt in him. Funny phrase about an another’s monastery. First, if Catholic church for Catholics - an another’s monastery, what in general all of us do there? Secondly, the person who speaks, that a temple was under construction Father Otto for them and as he consulted on them in everything, she speaks such things that, appears this church not for Catholics. Further the question is asked to me - why I speak it all. I already wrote about it, but all right, I shall repeat. Also what means” It is his life? A life that now at he have just taken away at first. Secondly, as well as any pastor, he has no personal life, his life belongs to flock. And when churchmen is favourable, so they worry and search for flock and as it is not favourable they made themselves separate. Has truly told baptizer
in the Gospel " Pharisees and Sadducees, generations are malicious echidna” Or how it turns out, while he is needed, he belongs to everybody and when that happen, all is not necessary there is nobody? Because I cannot be silent, when I see crimes. Yes, Father Otto was the priest, yes, he always and up to the last protected church, yes, he has given a vow. Also has constrained all vows up to the end. That I also spoke and still I shall many times repeat. Yes, his spirit with God now. But, as the woman has written, about him everywhere distribute a heap of mucks. And I am not going to indulge it the silence! Yes Father Otto did not condemn Church as you have written did not shout, but I think he too did not tolerate and did not allow to create in it angrily, for as has died. But we all different and everyone has the calling and the ways for its realization. This person has given much to me, yes, he learned to love and respect with Church, but church, consists of people, the church is not something imperceptible. And people there, alas, not always decent and to allow such people to operate in this Church,
 
being covered with its authority to create a harm, whether it is disrespect for it and treachery of memory of Father Otto? I hope, I have quite answered a question asked to me. Among other things, we live in a human society, and, as a rule, murders in it are not encouraged. And those who name themselves Church not only that create a harm so also try to cover with its name sacred. It is very convenient also centuries is checked up. Try to silence everything, those that say yes, sacred teach us to love Church. Yes teach, but to love - does not mean to indulge a harm in it. In occasion of interested persons to alter all world, something I do not see those, and very much the other way. On cause of the interested persons to remake whole world, I do not see such, but just on the contrary, a little that what all as in saying my cottage is on the corner. But begin with itself,this sane thought, I repudiate, from church working on european standard, rather then on commandment of God, welcome someone else follow my example. Either as in following to christening be spoken: From satan and all deals him(it). Repudiate! About that you doubt of my truth is your right, everyone has the mind, the conscience and freedom of will. My conscience forces me to search for this truth, so that what I do. In occasion of that? What if something does not arrange us, we can refuse?, so I also have made it, I refuse Church to which is stirred by decent people. And father Отто was such person. Yes, he has constructed the Temple, did not eat, did not sleep and experienced, but not only for process of construction and as for what unseemly business were created around of this process. About what we with him also spoke many times. I remember, in our last meeting I have asked him:” How are you”? On what he has answered me:” I am was insolent, differently as I shall drive others if itself I shall be not at height”. I still was surprised, he earlier never was so is adjusted. Here, possibly, this spirit strongly has not liked someone. And in general, very much it would be desirable to know, who advises here if to not refuse and leave, that, at least, to break off, and speaks the Catholic about Catholic Church as about an another’s monastery? It is very curious. Or parishioners are necessary only as mass meeting for hierarches? Well if there will be no mass meeting, so there will have nothing to cover with. And the main - about what charter here in general goes the speech, which so does not like the givenned priory? About charter forbiding kill? So, some more person have sent me letters, in one of them as to me to a distance interesting references, about murders in Church. Here what data managed to be gathered. Interesting that fact, that it is not the first case, such change of the head of the Catholic penitent The head of the Russian Catholic penitent of Franciscans priest Grigory Tserokh was lost in accident. The tragedy has hapenned on July, 14th in 62 km from Brest. As have informed today to the correspondent of ITAR-TASS in Catholic Moscow centre of the empire, father Grigory Tserokh will be buried on the native land in Poland. 42-years Grigory Tserokh is known also as the head of publishing house " Russian Catholic encyclopedia ". Work above it is conducted since 2002. In total Moscow publishing house of Franciscans since 1994 has let out more than hundred books of religious and cultural subjects. His name has been connected with scandal around of the real estate of the Award of Franciscans in Moscow which has been handed over to unknown businessmen and was used by them for the maintenance of the public house. Tserokh unsuccessfully tried to have legal proceedings with swindlers, but soon tragically died?. Is it now such fashion at the Catholic heads to change provincials? And besides scandal, though and not such defiantly false on a theme of sexual character. Besides a question even if it also handed over apartments who has given it such task? For certain, the heads from above advised to do so. Further on “ In February, 2002 in Poland under mysterious circumstances citizens of Russia, brothers Victor and Jury Tarasevichs were lost. Victor Tarasevich was the Catholic journalist,
 
the founder of agency “Ringing of church bells-info “and newspaper “Light of the Gospel”. Brothers have been shot, and their bodies have been found later many months after murder”. And how to explain this? What the journalist of the Catholic newspaper could know unattractive of Catholic church? And the country again Russia and Catholic Poland. And it only those murders which have occured in this “Priority” Region and under strange circumstances. Also that again the church, does the hypocritical face and puts on a mask of a victim, it, by the way, very conveniently. And each time these murders become more impudent because someone has felt the full impunity. Still everyone would be silent and consequently all of them from hands descends. How many more people should be lost? To create crimes and to give out itself for a victim. So, what how to be spoken” The fish decays from a head” And a source of all these problems it is necessary to look in Vatican.
Code: 
1:13 Do not bring any more meaningless offerings;
I consider your incense detestable!
You observe new moon festivals, Sabbaths, and convocations,
but I cannot tolerate sin-stained celebrations!
1:14 I hate your new moon festivals and assemblies;
they are a burden
that I am tired of carrying.
1:15 When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I look the other way;
when you offer your many prayers,
I do not listen,
because your hands are covered with blood. (Isaiah 1)
 
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