Murder or suicide?

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It indicates that possibly the teaching is old school. What about eating meat in Friday’s? People were threatened with hell and domination if they did that. Now, it’s acceptable practice. Wonder what happened to all those souls who ended up in hell before they changed the rules…
 
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Not saying they are. Pricing them out of reach is. Cancer meds are necessary for life. So is food. ⚖️
But again, intercat, what about if the price is legitimate what about if the drug costs 6 Billion dollars to make and this is the first run after human trials so every dose is legitimately half a million dollars?

You are operating under the assumption that medicine is always priced unfairly. The truth is, if you look at the details, more often than not reality kinda bites.

I have a friend who’s a doctor who runs annual missions to the Dominican Republic. On average, his donors are able to give him about $3,000 towards vaccinations. The pharma companies would sell them at cost. During the aforementioned egg shortage, the cost of the vaccines went from about 25 cents to nearly 90 cents. Nothing ANYONE could do about it.

He went from being able to provide nearly 12,000 vaccines to less than 3,400. This meant people died from vaccine-preventable illnesses.

Who Sinned?
The vaccine producers? (who were selling at cost)
The donors? (for not giving more money)
The Dominicans? (for not being able to get vaccines)
The Doctor? (because he didn’t give as many vaccines)
The chicken farmers? (who’s costs were driven up disposing of sick chickens)
 
It indicates that possibly the teaching is old school. What about eating meat in Friday’s? People were threatened with hell and domination if they did that. Now, it’s acceptable practice. Wonder what happened to all those souls who ended up in hell before they changed the rules…
Discipline is different than dogma.

That said, the need for a sacrifice still remains. What has been lifted is the practice of abstaining from meat. You are still sinning if you do not forgo something in lieu of meat. Sin is a sin.
 
Things in the Church have changed over the years. Vatican II, for example.
Sure, but didn’t change the truths the church teaches.
I spoke with an elderly woman the other day about the mother/newborn discussion, and her teaching was the same as mine. Things change over time.
As stated by me and others, nothing changed in what the church taught about the duties of medical teams in such cases. You were misled or misunderstood.
 
What about eating meat in Friday’s? People were threatened with hell and domination if they did that. Now, it’s acceptable practice. Wonder what happened to all those souls who ended up in hell before they changed the rules…
The disciplines have changed. Punishment related not to the eating of meat, but to disobeying the authority of the church. But I’ve no idea what punishment God saw fit.
 
We gave gone SO far off topic. I don’t disagree, and each person has his/her own tastes. I’d love to own another Impala. I had to get rid of my 15-year-old Impala I had since mile 1. Can’t afford it. Got a smaller car (kinda like a Prius). Pre-owned. My preference and my reality are miles apart. People can exist with what they NEED without getting everything they WANT.
 
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We gave gone SO far off topic. I don’t disagree, and each person has his/her own tastes. I’d love to own another Impala. I had to get rid of my 15-year-old Impala I had since mile 1. Can’t afford it. Got a smaller car (kinda like a Prius). Pre-owned. My preference and my reality are miles apart. People can exist with what they NEED without getting everything they WANT.
I’d be more interested in your response to the latter half of my post and my other post about my Dr. friend and the vaccine situation a couple of years ago.

You are driving this thread “off topic” because you continually associate poverty as the direct result of someone else’s excess. Even Jesus dismissed this when His feet were washed with fine perfume. All the “giving up” nice things in the entire world is not going to change poverty.
 
Could be. I was a very vulnerable soul as a child. Now, after life’s experiences, I’m much more cynical.
 
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The chickens for getting sick.

Sorry. This isn’t funny. I do understand that aspect of Pharma, although, I’d never had it presented in that way. But, these happenings were unintentional. They weren’t decided upon for the sole purpose of making meds too expensive for people to make money. Remember, I originally said INTENTION. I may have put everyone in the same category where I shouldn’t have, but can you honestly say that ALL Pharma companies’ prices are governed by the same types of incidents?
 
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I originally posted for information. If I thought I was totally correct, I wouldn’t have been asking for information. That’s why I have persisted for two days. I didn’t say YOU were off topic. The subject gets skewed. I’m not faulting anyone, and I would appreciate it if you would do the same.
 
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The chickens for getting sick.

Sorry. This isn’t funny. I do understand that aspect of Pharma, although, I’d never had it presented in that way. But, these happenings were unintentional. They weren’t decided upon for the sole purpose of making meds too expensive for people to make money. Remember, I originally said INTENTION. I may have put everyone in the same category where I shouldn’t have, but can you honestly say that ALL Pharma companies’ prices are governed by the same types of incidents?
I’m not saying it’s funny.

You are WAY oversimplifying the issue.

Yes, there is criminal mishandling when it comes to finds in the pharmaceutical business. But more times than not it’s happenstance. You have isolated cases of true, disgusting crime as with the epi-pens…but that is really rare.

You are trying to insert intention where most of the time there is none. The unfortunate part of living in a country where scientists research new drugs is that we often face high drug costs. However, we also benefit from those drugs to a degree which people who eventualy benefit from the generic versions do not.

There’s a Catholic mom blogger who’s two boys have a rare wasting disease. They are losing ability and muscle by the day. Scientists have now developed a drug and they have been approved to receive it with insurance and private grants paying for it. Each dose is hundreds of thousands of dollars. There are some families that are not as lucky. Their insurance won’t pay, they can’t pay and private charities can’t foot the cost.

But this drug currently is made in small batches and does take tens of thousands to produce. It basically has to be tended and babysat for the entire process as well as it having pricy and rare components.

You could say that the drug companies are “intentionally” pricing people out. They don’t have to make a profit–they could break even and help one more child.

But that takes the incentive out of research. Those investors benefiting from their profit now want to reinvest. They want to pour more money into finding cures for rare diseases.

However, it’s very unlikely this drug will ever be available to children in non-developed countries. It’s just too expensive to produce.

You’re looking for a bad guy.

A line in the sand.

You’re looking to be told “YES! this person/company/industry is EVIL!” That God will punish their greed. But you’re assuming greed where there often is none…just market forces. You equate luxury with causing poverty–when that just isn’t the case.

There is no easy answer. There is no company that hasn’t done something greedy and there is no company that hasn’t done its darndest to keep prices low and reasonable. Modern medicine is a complicated beast. We have gone places and done things with science that were once a fantasy.
 
But this drug currently is made in small batches and does take tens of thousands to produce. It basically has to be tended and babysat for the entire process as well as it having pricy and rare components.
It is certainly bizarre thinking to assign the full burden of charity to the Pharma company. Why has the OP not blamed the lack of charitable donations at large - for which we are all individually culpable to some degree - for the inability of the poor and weak to access what they need?
 
As I said previously, I see things relatively black and white. That has changed over the years from multiple shades of grey. Yes, I’m looking to draw a line in the sand. I see my religion as black and white. Thou shalt not… It doesn’t say Thou shalt not under certain circumstances. That’s why I questioned if there is knowledge, and intention begotten from that knowledge, would it make it murder. 2+2=4. But maybe, in this case, 2+2 might =22. I recognize variables. I understand the fact that there are extenuating circumstances. But, I can’t stop believing that 2+2=4.
 
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I originally posted for information. If I thought I was totally correct, I wouldn’t have been asking for information. That’s why I have persisted for two days. I didn’t say YOU were off topic. The subject gets skewed. I’m not faulting anyone, and I would appreciate it if you would do the same.
The answer is still the same.

It is not suicide or murder. Keeping asking the same thing will not change anything. You are wrong.
 
As I said previously, I see things relatively black and white. That has changed over the years from multiple shades of grey. Yes, I’m looking to draw a line in the sand. I see my religion as black and white. Thou shalt not… It doesn’t say Thou shalt not under certain circumstances. That’s why I questioned if there is knowledge, and intention begotten from that knowledge, would it make it murder. 2+2=4. But maybe, in this case, 2+2 might =22. I recognize variables. I understand the fact that there are extenuating circumstances. But, I can’t stop believing that 2+2=4.
It’s not that there aren’t answers. It’s that there is a FAR more complicated way to get to the answers than simple addition and the answers also contain variables and are not standard whole numbers. Variables don’t make problems illogical. Variables simply change the process you take to get the answer. It’s NOT the case that 2+2=22 but that you’re ignoring that it’s 2(5x/46y+6) + 2(43y/3) = 22x+y. You’re ignoring everything that’s changing the answer–all the variables and then are upset it doesn’t make sense.

This really isn’t that much of a grey issue. It’s simply a complicated issue.

With one thing, you’re right. You need to stop your black and white thinking. It’s only hurting you and making you come off as extremely bitter.

If you’re Catholic, things do still have shades of grey. You are to fast and abstain on Ash Wednesday. Unless you’re sick (temporarily or chronically). Or a physical laborer. Or Pregnant. Or Nursing. Or under 14. Or Elderly. That’s ALWAYS been teaching.
 
Your bedside manner needs some improvement.
 
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As I said previously, I see things relatively black and white. That has changed over the years from multiple shades of grey.
Questions of murder and suicide have black and white definitions. It is in fact clear that the setting of the prices of pharma goods in a manner reasonably related to their cost of production and/ordinary business practice, and not as part of a scheme to kill people, is not murder. That is black and white fact.
 
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