Murdered Coptics, Catholics and Orthodox not Christians, says protestant author

[MysticalSelah]

Yeah, ^^^ see this is what I have often encountered.

Everyone with a high school education and a bible is now a scholar of some sort and you had better buy into their soteriology, or else…

I see this too. Bible college and suddenly they’re a theologian.

 

[meltzerboy]

The author seems to imply he speaks for all on the reformed side.

pulpitandpen.org/2017/04/09/why-we-should-mourn-for-the-copts-but-not-assume-theyre-christians/

We are preaching a different gospel, apparently.

So about 1.5 billion Christians, by far the majority of Christendom, all tracing roots back to 33 A.D, are lost souls.

He seems quite certain of himself. I wonder where he got all this authority? Just by picking up a book and reading it?

Such ill-informed opinions are apparently not worth the time of day. I wouldn’t bother trying to analyze them.

 

[boomerang]

The author seems to imply he speaks for all on the reformed side.

pulpitandpen.org/2017/04/09/why-we-should-mourn-for-the-copts-but-not-assume-theyre-christians/

We are preaching a different gospel, apparently.

So about 1.5 billion Christians, by far the majority of Christendom, all tracing roots back to 33 A.D, are lost souls.

He seems quite certain of himself. I wonder where he got all this authority? Just by picking up a book and reading it?

The author of that opinion piece has also written the gem “Reclaiming (St.) Patrick for Protestants.” Who knew ol’ St. Patrick was protestant?

 

[Tomyris]

When you said ‘reformed’, I picked up my ears and nosed around on the site after reading the article.

I am not convinced these people are actually Reformed, for starters, or if they are they are sort of like the Protestant version of the Most Holy Family Monastery types. The same sort of stuff is all over their site. Maybe the same people write it at night. Dunno…

Someone ought to get these two groups together for a picnic, as I have said before. They have a lot in common - bashing the Pope, bashing Vatican II, bashing non-Catholics, bashing Catholics, bashing the Orthodox, bashing the Copts, bashing everyone who disagrees with them. They should cherish their like-mindedness. They can swap pictures and news articles.

If they make it through saying grace they will have a good old time at their picnic.

 

[steve93]

The author of that opinion piece has also written the gem “Reclaiming (St.) Patrick for Protestants.” Who knew ol’ St. Patrick was protestant?

According to the British thugs he was. Seriously, they try to say Patrick was a Protestant (and presumably Anglican).
irishcentral.com/news/st-patrick-was-a-protestant-say-loyalist-leaders-in-northern-ireland-142848015-237749731

 

[Tomyris]

Sunday our pastor prayed in front of the whole church for the protection of our brothers and sisters in Egypt and comfort for the families grieving from the attack.Calling them ‘brothers and sisters’ kinda makes them sound like fellow believers, right?

I guess that means my whole denomination has sold out the Gospel for a bowl of lentil soup or something.

 

[Peter_J]

He has an opinion, just like the Pope has an opinion, and just like everyone else on earth has an opinion.

Exactly. If he had not connected his comments about the Coptic Orthodox with the victims of the recent church bombings, he would have received little to no attention. In other words, he exploited the tragedy to get his message out.

It’s much the same as a few years ago when a Breitbart author used the Pulse-Orlando massacre as an opportunity to draw attention to his views about homosexuals (not to mention blasting Catholic bishops who extended condolences to the families of the victims).

 

[Lenten_ashes]

Sunday our pastor prayed in front of the whole church for the protection of our brothers and sisters in Egypt and comfort for the families grieving from the attack.Calling them ‘brothers and sisters’ kinda makes them sound like fellow believers, right?

I guess that means my whole denomination has sold out the Gospel for a bowl of lentil soup or something.

:tiphat:

 

[Lenten_ashes]

When you said ‘reformed’, I picked up my ears and nosed around on the site after reading the article.

I am not convinced these people are actually Reformed, for starters, or if they are they are sort of like the Protestant version of the Most Holy Family Monastery types. The same sort of stuff is all over their site. Maybe the same people write it at night. Dunno…

Someone ought to get these two groups together for a picnic, as I have said before. They have a lot in common - bashing the Pope, bashing Vatican II, bashing non-Catholics, bashing Catholics, bashing the Orthodox, bashing the Copts, bashing everyone who disagrees with them. They should cherish their like-mindedness. They can swap pictures and news articles.

If they make it through saying grace they will have a good old time at their picnic.

Yeah, even if they were LDS or JW’s, shouldn’t even matter and it’s not a time to push theological viewpoints. It’s deplorable and insensitive no matter how many times he says he doesn’t intend to be insensitive.

The author is grounded in Sola Fide but what about the fruit of the Spirit?

 

[GKC]

Based on what he says about it the sacraments, he probably would include Luther, Lutherans, and perhaps many Anglicans in the same category.

I wish I could assert all Anglicans, but that is not a phrase I can use often.

 

[Expatreprocedit]

And the ignorance of this author is such that he states that the Coptic Orthodox are part of the Greek Orthodox Church. They are not; in fact, they are not even in communion with the Greek Orthodox Church.

He also states that Chrismation with oil is “a superstition unique to the Greek Orthodox Church”. He is obviously clueless.

 

[steve93]

Of course they were not literal members of the cultic Thuggee sect.

 

[Autumn_Smoke]

WOW! So this guy knows all of these people’s hearts and where exactly they all stand before God. It must be amazing to have such wisdom as that.

 

[phil19034]

I am critical of the Catholic teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation”, when it is presented as only those in communion with Rome are in the Church. I am equally critical of this.

Jon

Luckily that is not the magisterial teaching, nor understanding. The Church teaches that all validly non-Catholic, baptized Christians are imperfect members of the Church.

 

[phil19034]

He also states that Chrismation with oil is “a superstition unique to the Greek Orthodox Church”. He is obviously clueless.

Yeap, last time I checked the Catholic Church uses Chrism oil in Chrismation too (though we typically call it Confirmation). And so do the Oriental Orthodox and all the other Rites of the Church.

 

[GKC]

Yeap, last time I checked the Catholic Church uses Chrism oil in Chrismation too (though we typically call it Confirmation). And so do the Oriental Orthodox and all the other Rites of the Church.

As do others.

 

[phil19034]

In regards option piece by the protestant author, disgusting. 100% disgusting.

Even though I have often been frustrated by protestants like this guy attacking the Catholic Church for doing/believing in things that all of apostolic Churches believe, this is 100% disgusting.

Being a Christian is you are baptized, and that’s just a minimal standard. Calling Coptic Christians and other Christians in the Middle East and Africa non-Christian as they are giving their lives up for Christ is 100% anti-Christian.

The author is actually the one who needs to find the Gospel, not the people dying for their love of Christ.

 

[heidi_storage]

Yes. I poked around the site for a bit and apparently it is the author’s opinion that he is right and everyone who does not agree with his idea of Christianity is WRONG.

I’m in a Reformed denomination. We don’t have a pope, and this random dude doesn’t speak for us.

I would say many Catholics, Orthodox, Copts, etc aren’t Christian. I would say the same is true of many Protestants, including in my own denomination. Only God knows the heart. I disagree profoundly with many principles of Catholicism, Orthodoxy, etc, which is why I do not belong to those denominations, but I am quite certain that some of my own beliefs are wrong. May those who truly confess the risen Jesus as Lord and accept His sacrifice as expiation for sin be shown mercy, however wonky their theology otherwise.

 

[JonNC]

Jon,

I was listening to a former Protestant who has a PhD and so well versed in Scripture and he said the Church has never stated that you had to be Catholic to go to heaven…

It is more, in his words, going to heaven using a driftwood vs using all the helps within the full doctrine of faith.

Vatican II has the harshest words for Catholics who are given all the graces but do not live in charity for not only will they receive damnation, but be that much more punished in hell.

Kathleen,
Some Catholics here may seed the memo.
More disturbing are the attempts to link this guy to Luther, who would have countered his anti-sacrament rhetoric as opposed to Christ Himself.

Jon

 

[Dorothy]

Yes, I noticed that, too. He also seems to think he speaks for all “protestants”, when in fact he misrepresents the beliefs of many while doing so.
I am critical of the Catholic teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation”, when it is presented as only those in communion with Rome are in the Church. I am equally critical of this.

Jon

I don’t have the Catholic Catechism statement at my fingertips right now but I am aware that “outside the Church there is no salvation” needs clarification.

God knows what is in the heart. He knows who is sincerely seeking, and who is stubborn. lf those who seek the truth are sincerely following what they believe, they can be saved…and it is through the Church that they are saved.

I hope someone who knows how to articulate this can explain better than me. Meanwhile I will look this up in the Catechism.