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I thought I had brought this up before but I couldn’t find it. I’ve had several discussions this week with various people about how, when and why they buy music, which is something some people still actually do.

Do you prefer to buy whole albums or individual songs? My daughters are still kind of baffled by the idea that anyone would buy a complete album instead of buying mp3’s individually. “Why on earth would you buy a song you haven’t heard or that isn’t on the radio?” I’ve explained to them that, back in my day, unless you wanted to buy a 45, you had to buy the whole album/cassette. Sure, cassette singles eventually came along, but until my late teens/early 20s, if I wanted to listen to something in the car it was whole albums and mix tapes. And we’d actually listen to the whole album more often than not, even when there were only a couple songs on there we liked. I’m still very much a whole album person. There are a few exceptions, especially when a song’s only available as a bonus track or on some soundtrack or compilation, but most of the time if I like a song by someone, I get the whole album.

Are you a completist when it comes to your favorite artists? For example, do you have every Three Dog Night album, or just their greatest hits? I’m absolutely a completist, to the point that I once paid almost $40 for a greatest hits CD that was only released in limited numbers overseas just to get a single song I’d never heard before, but that I’d heard wasn’t all that great to begin with. I’m not that obsessive now, but for the bands I really dig, I have all their albums and, when feasible, all their obscure singles and B-sides as well. Thankfully, I’m not as bad as my one friend who’s such an obsessive Eagles fan, he even has all of JD Souther’s albums.

Do you still buy your favorite bands’ albums even when they’re past their prime? A good example of this is the Rolling Stones who, frankly, haven’t had a decent hit since 1989, and a really great song since 1981. Do you keep buying Neil Diamond’s albums out of habit, or do you finally admit that he kind of said all he had to say with “America” and ignore his new releases? I’m kind of torn on this because there are a handful of bands I like who have a song or two on their later, tired albums that I really like. Then you’ve got cases like Journey who really haven’t been the same band since ditching Steve Perry. I’m kind of torn between that completist urge, a fan’s sense of loyalty to my favorite bands, and an all too frequent feeling of being let down by a band whose talent seems to have left office about the same time as the Reagan administration.
 
I have the complete Beatles.
The complete Stones and the complete Journey.

So, I pretty much disagree with most of your pronouncements.
😃

Oh, and my solo piano version of Desperado sells pretty good too. 😉
 
I have the complete Beatles.
The complete Stones and the complete Journey.

So, I pretty much disagree with most of your pronouncements.
😃

Oh, and my solo piano version of Desperado sells pretty good too. 😉
I actually have the post-Perry Journey albums. I don’t listen to them, but I have them. I don’t think I paid for any of them but still wound up with them anyway. The only ones I don’t have on CD I have on vinyl (their first three albums) but our record player’s not hooked up so I have no way to listen to them.

I’m a bit more discerning about my purchases now than I was back in college. My friends and I would scour the thrift stores and used record stores and I’d usually walk out with a full bag of new tapes. I had hundreds of cassettes. Unfortunately, when I finally decided to convert to CD’s, the market for cassettes was gone so I only got 25-50 cents apiece for most of them, but that was still $150 or so.
 
Hmmm. Mixture, I guess. For some artists, I have all albums. Shearing - that would be over 50 albums. Bob James, all albums. Superchic (k), all albums. Many classical artists, the same piece by several different orchestras.

Some artists or composers, many but not all. The Beatles, Percy Faith, Yes, Toto, Chicago, Mel Torme, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Dave Brubeck are examples.

Some artists or composers, one or two albums.

Some artists, one or two individual songs.

I have a good friend that has every version of the song Fever ever done, I think- several hundred versions last time we talked. And an incredibly diverse collection of all kinds of music.

Mostly Vinyl. I can “smell” vinyl blocks away. Some artists, sadly are not vinyl.

Blessings,
Stephie
 
I have 3 sets of the complete Beethoven Symphonies, performed by different orchestras under the direction of their respective conductors. I bought one of these sets, performed by the Tonhalle Orchester Zürich, directed by David Zinman, after hearing only the second half of one symphony, on the radio, while driving in my minivan, with the kids yakking in the back seats. The interpretation was so fresh, stunning, and possibly controversial, and the technical quality of both the performance and the recording were so awesome, it was love at first hearing. I just had to have it. It sounds even better at home. 🙂
 
Oh, boy. Try collecting 78’s. You need a lot of room for those. We had to add on to our house because we have so many records. Thousands of 78’s from the teens through 1950’s, the bulk of them 1920s. The greatest era of American music ever, in my opinion.
 
What music buying habits? There has been a constant “anti-rock” drumbeat for so long - rock music is evil, rock music is Satanic, it’s sinful to listen to rock music - that it’s not entirely surprising that younger generations like me don’t see the rationale of PAYING for something that is inherently deemed by older generations as sinful and demonic and evil.

The only time I ever do pay for an album anymore is at Record Store Day - this year’s RSD is Saturday, April 16 - and that’s typically for exclusives and reissues and limited editions that really aren’t available anywhere else. A marble-colored reissue of Husker Du 7" EP or R.E.M.'s Chronic Town EP or David Jones-era David Powe on the Pye record label, that sort of thing.

However, unless or until the older generations concede that rock music isn’t sinful and it’s not demonic or evil, it’s going to be difficult to convince younger generations that it’s proper and correct to pay for something for they’re being led to believe is sinful and demonic. Mixed messages - on one hand, it’s bad and evil - but, don’t forget to pay Satan for that vinyl. Absolutely mixed messages.

Just my 45rpm cents. 🙂
 
Oh, boy. Try collecting 78’s. You need a lot of room for those. We had to add on to our house because we have so many records. Thousands of 78’s from the teens through 1950’s, the bulk of them 1920s. The greatest era of American music ever, in my opinion.
Ever see that movie “Crumb”? That movie should have been about those 78’s. 🙂
 
Don’t forget record labels. There are collectors of record labels: Apple (the Beatles’ label), Stax (which a lot of collectors think is better than Motown), Sub Pop (their 7" single series from the Nirvana/Hole/Mudhoney era), newer garage rock labels like Burger, and so on.

I used to collect everything on the 4AD record label - Cocteau Twins, especially, and all their compilations - but, 4AD hasn’t really been that good for quite some time now.
 
I just collect what I like. There are a few artists that I have all of their music. And some where I have much of their music. Some artists I am just happy with their greatest hits. 😉

I think my children mostly buy singles, though they may buy most songs by certain artists.
I am happy to say that they all have very eclectic tastes in music which I attribute to their exposure to many different genres they heard growing up. 🙂 and yes, I have even been introduced to good music by them as well.
 
What music buying habits? There has been a constant “anti-rock” drumbeat for so long - rock music is evil, rock music is Satanic, it’s sinful to listen to rock music - that it’s not entirely surprising that younger generations like me don’t see the rationale of PAYING for something that is inherently deemed by older generations as sinful and demonic and evil.

The only time I ever do pay for an album anymore is at Record Store Day - this year’s RSD is Saturday, April 16 - and that’s typically for exclusives and reissues and limited editions that really aren’t available anywhere else. A marble-colored reissue of Husker Du 7" EP or R.E.M.'s Chronic Town EP or David Jones-era David Powe on the Pye record label, that sort of thing.

However, unless or until the older generations concede that rock music isn’t sinful and it’s not demonic or evil, it’s going to be difficult to convince younger generations that it’s proper and correct to pay for something for they’re being led to believe is sinful and demonic. Mixed messages - on one hand, it’s bad and evil - but, don’t forget to pay Satan for that vinyl. Absolutely mixed messages.

Just my 45rpm cents. 🙂
In case you haven’t heard, there are genres other than rock. And even if that’s all you listen to, I’m not sure how someone else’s opinion of it would justify stealing it. It’s funny, though. I work with some younger people overseas and they pirate EVERYTHING. Not just American music but movies, TV and software as well. If it’s American made, they don’t pay for it. They tend to own DVD’s or digital copies of movies before they even hit the theaters here. When I mention buying music to them they seem genuinely perplexed by the notion that anyone would even consider paying for American music. One guy offered to let me download all his music and a ton of software (we’re talking thousands and thousands of dollars worth). Even after I explained it to him he wasn’t entirely sure why I wouldn’t do it.
 
I just collect what I like. There are a few artists that I have all of their music. And some where I have much of their music. Some artists I am just happy with their greatest hits. 😉

I think my children mostly buy singles, though they may buy most songs by certain artists.
I am happy to say that they all have very eclectic tastes in music which I attribute to their exposure to many different genres they heard growing up. 🙂 and yes, I have even been introduced to good music by them as well.
There are quite a few artists whose greatest hits albums are more than I’ll ever need. I have greatest hits albums by a few one hit wonders. Aside from making you wonder how they could call a collection of 10-20 songs by a band whose only charting single just barely made it into the Top 20 their “greatest hits,” they really help to illustrate why those bands were one-hit wonders.

I still don’t get the singles/mp3 mentality of younger kids. My daughter wanted to buy four songs by one artists. Getting the individual mp3’s was going to cost 3.96. The entire album was on sale for $5. When I told her to spend the extra dollar and get the whole thing, she was perplexed. None of her friends had the whole album and she couldn’t figure out why I’d want her to pay for another 8 songs she’d never heard before. I finally talked her into it.

I will say that I’ve yet to be introduced to any music I like by my kids. There’s stuff we all like, but it’s a one way street in that regard.
 
I don’t steal music. Someone leaks it online, and I listen to what they leaked. That’s not stealing. The person who stole it was the leaker. If I could return the leak to the rightful owner, I would, but I don’t know who it is since it could be the publicist, or the A&R guy, or a producer, or a concert promoter, or the artist themselves.

Stealing requires willful intent. If something’s already there online for the taking, that’s not stealing.
 
… There has been a constant “anti-rock” drumbeat for so long - rock music is evil, rock music is Satanic, it’s sinful to listen to rock music - that it’s not entirely surprising that younger generations like me don’t see the rationale of PAYING for something that is inherently deemed by older generations as sinful and demonic and evil…
Assuming, for the moment, that such music is is evil — a dubious assumption — how do you figure that it is right to obtain it free of charge? I don’t see how the conclusion follows from the premise. By the same “logic,” you would expect, for example, that shoplifting birth-control products is morally acceptable because, as the Church teaches, their use is immoral.
 
I don’t steal music. Someone leaks it online, and I listen to what they leaked. That’s not stealing. The person who stole it was the leaker. If I could return the leak to the rightful owner, I would, but I don’t know who it is since it could be the publicist, or the A&R guy, or a producer, or a concert promoter, or the artist themselves.

Stealing requires willful intent. If something’s already there online for the taking, that’s not stealing.
Don’t you think it is immoral to use stolen property, even if you are not the one who stole it? Obviously, you do not have the ability to un-steal it, but how did you gain the right to use it without the permission of the rightful owner?
 
I have to tell you I have done the same, though not to a great degree. It’s a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. In the past, I have copied some music, and have grown rather attached to some of this music. However, I am coming to realize it is wrong, and I have cut down drastically (but not totally eliminated, as it often is with bad habits), and I have deleted everything that I am not attached to or could easily obtain, legally, from the library for occasional listening. Someday soon I hope to get completely right with this.
 
I like to buy individual songs. There is only one band (the Beatles) where I can justify buying an entire album- because I like everything they made. Music these days, I only find two or three songs from any artist that I can appreciate.
 
I thought I had brought this up before but I couldn’t find it. I’ve had several discussions this week with various people about how, when and why they buy music, which is something some people still actually do.

Do you prefer to buy whole albums or individual songs? My daughters are still kind of baffled by the idea that anyone would buy a complete album instead of buying mp3’s individually. “Why on earth would you buy a song you haven’t heard or that isn’t on the radio?” I’ve explained to them that, back in my day, unless you wanted to buy a 45, you had to buy the whole album/cassette. Sure, cassette singles eventually came along, but until my late teens/early 20s, if I wanted to listen to something in the car it was whole albums and mix tapes. And we’d actually listen to the whole album more often than not, even when there were only a couple songs on there we liked. I’m still very much a whole album person. There are a few exceptions, especially when a song’s only available as a bonus track or on some soundtrack or compilation, but most of the time if I like a song by someone, I get the whole album.

Are you a completist when it comes to your favorite artists? For example, do you have every Three Dog Night album, or just their greatest hits? I’m absolutely a completist, to the point that I once paid almost $40 for a greatest hits CD that was only released in limited numbers overseas just to get a single song I’d never heard before, but that I’d heard wasn’t all that great to begin with. I’m not that obsessive now, but for the bands I really dig, I have all their albums and, when feasible, all their obscure singles and B-sides as well. Thankfully, I’m not as bad as my one friend who’s such an obsessive Eagles fan, he even has all of JD Souther’s albums.

Do you still buy your favorite bands’ albums even when they’re past their prime? A good example of this is the Rolling Stones who, frankly, haven’t had a decent hit since 1989, and a really great song since 1981. Do you keep buying Neil Diamond’s albums out of habit, or do you finally admit that he kind of said all he had to say with “America” and ignore his new releases? I’m kind of torn on this because there are a handful of bands I like who have a song or two on their later, tired albums that I really like. Then you’ve got cases like Journey who really haven’t been the same band since ditching Steve Perry. I’m kind of torn between that completist urge, a fan’s sense of loyalty to my favorite bands, and an all too frequent feeling of being let down by a band whose talent seems to have left office about the same time as the Reagan administration.
I prefer old, early 1960s and earlier, music on CDs, preferably the not remastered kind. I collect other things but only buy what I can afford. CD singles were available at one time but disappeared. As far as post mid-1960s music, no matter how good the instrumentals are, the lyrics have to be good and clean. Happy or sad is fine. I don’t know if it’s possible to get a single song on MP3 or not. I’d rather get vinyl if possible.

Bands and singers go through stages. I’m no longer a fan that feels let down when a band or singer goes in a different direction, or lost a member and are generally not worth listening to anymore. There was one who I was a completist of but he turned his music around and I stopped buying after that. The same with an illustrator who put out a book after years of doing really fine work, that was filled with distorted heads. I thought, “Well, if you want to go that way, it’s your choice,” but I didn’t buy anything else by him after that book.

I once knew certain singers and bands that would consistently put out high quality work with only the rare “it’s good but not as good” as the other albums and/or singles I owned. I’ve lost my sense of band/singer loyalty. The songs I love I know by heart. I really think the kind of music you’re talking about died in the mid-1990s. That’s when those new singers/groups I tried to like showed up. After that - no more FM.

Ed
 
Don’t you think it is immoral to use stolen property, even if you are not the one who stole it? Obviously, you do not have the ability to un-steal it, but how did you gain the right to use it without the permission of the rightful owner?
I’m not the one who stole it. Someone else stole it/leaked it.
 
I still buy CDs. I won’t buy a song digitally unless it is a digital exclusive bonus track. Of course, the first thing I do with a new CD is rip it onto my computer and put it onto my iPod. 😛

I used to be more OCD about it when I was younger—to the point where I’d feel compelled to acquire the entire back catalog of bands I didn’t even like that much simply because I had bought one of their albums for one song at one time. :o

And there are lots of greatest hits albums I own for the one or two new songs. I console myself by the fact that my brother was worse than me. He once bought an identical copy of an album he already owned simply because it was released on a different record label. It wasn’t even remastered and the booklet was identical (except for the record label’s logo on the bottom of the back). 😃

Now, I don’t have as much time to keep track of it all. Time goes by so much faster. When I was younger, if a band went three years between albums, it felt like forever. Now some bands I like are on a four or five year cycle between albums and I feel like they’ve got a new album coming out every time I turn around.

Some of my favorite bands and favorite albums are ones I bought completely blind without ever having heard a single note. For a few bands, I actually bought several of their albums at once never having heard them before simply because I couldn’t decide which album to start with (seeing as I hadn’t heard any of them). Now, with the internet, it is very easy to sample a group’s music, so I don’t think I’d make any such blind buys anymore. But I’m glad I did back in the day.

(Of course, there are a few albums I bought that way that didn’t turn out so well. One turned out to be Christian death metal. 😛 I still have the CD. I play it when I need a good laugh.)
 
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