Music Leader Thread Part III - Song Lists, Suggestions, and Comments

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I wasn’t able to attend Mass today because I’m really sick, and I feel really cruddy when I miss Mass, but at least I got spared from “Gather Us In”. 😉

I can’t wait until next weekend, though. I love Christ the King Sunday. I can’t wait for all the Advent hymns, either. It’s approaching all too fast!
 
Here’s what I got for the First Sunday of Advent:

Sunday, November 27, 2011 - First Sunday of Advent - Year B

Processional Hymn: #39 O Come, O Come, Emmanuel VENI, VENI EMMANUEL
Preparation of the Gifts: #53 Alleluia! Hurry, the Lord Is Near Sands
Communion Hymn: #44 Waiting in Silence Landry
Recessional Hymn: #73 The Coming of Our God OPTATUS VOTIS OMNIUM

This is what my music director has:

Processional Hymn: #44 Waiting in Silence Landry
Preparation of the Gifts: #56 Emmanuel Angrisano
Communion Hymn: #39 O Come, O Come, Emmanuel VENI, VENI EMMANUEL
Recessional Hymn: #52 O Come, Divine Messiah VENEZ, DIVIN MESSIE

I like to give “O Come, O Come, Emmanuel” pride of place every year by putting it as the processional hymn for each Sunday of Advent.
 
I wish I was there for that. It sounds awesome. Here is what I did last night

We Gather Together
All that We Have
At That First Eucharist
Christ Be Beside Me
We Walk By Faith

I also changed all the Mass setting except the Gloria to the new Mass of Creation.
Forget Haugen, but I love bagpipes.
 
Our boychoir was recently disassembled :bighanky:
I must be getting really tired. I just read this out of the corner of my eye and it looked like it said: “Our choir boy just got dis-assembled.” And I thought, “Wow, this reform of the reform is really getting SERIOUS.”

Just kidding. Might as well have fun with it. 😃
 
I also changed all the Mass setting except the Gloria to the new Mass of Creation.
Did you find the new musical setting to the Gloria a bit problematic?

At one of my church jobs, they use the Mass of Creation and are starting to teach the new revised version. I will disclose that I’m not a fan of the “Mass of Creation”, but it is the only mass setting the congregation there currently knows and are comfortable with it. The new music director does plan to change it in a few months because she doesn’t like it either, but is careful about making too many changes at once. (They recently started having paid, classically trained cantors and are using better music for special masses. The congregation is really being very supportive of it, but that is because she is making the changes gradually and not throwing it at them all at once.)

The rest of the revised mass setting is ok, but we have found that the Gloria for the revised version is kind of clumsy and not easily accessible for everyone to sing. (That congregation actually sang the entire Gloria from the MofC even though it is a response Gloria.) I think if people can’t sing it she’ll change the Gloria as well, or even just change the entire mass setting sooner than later.
 
Did you find the new musical setting to the Gloria a bit problematic?
Not really. I do not find it any more awkward than any other setting, including the chant version. I think this is because the words themselves are stilted English. My solution is to postpone the Gloria at this time. When I do introduce it, I will do it as a Cantor/Response until it catches. I have found that is a natural way many people learn hymns anyway. They sing the parts they know until they are comfortable with the whole thing.

I am using Mass of Creation primarily because of its familiarity. I too will be looking at something different next summer. I like to have two settings anyway so that they can change with the season.

I find the rest of Mass of Creation to be an easy change. The Sanctus has only one minor change. I am going with When We Eat This Bread, where we already know the words. I am doing the Agnus Dei, which I haven’t done in a while because of the discrepancy in the words. I think we will be 90% by Advent and 100 % by the middle of Advent.

Our options are somewhat limited. We have little money allocated for music and no professionally trained musicians. We are all self-taught, though I have been playing for 35 years and even lead music in a Baptist Church a few decades back. I bought the music from this change over out of my pocket.
 
Not really. I do not find it any more awkward than any other setting, including the chant version. I think this is because the words themselves are stilted English. My solution is to postpone the Gloria at this time. When I do introduce it, I will do it as a Cantor/Response until it catches. I have found that is a natural way many people learn hymns anyway. They sing the parts they know until they are comfortable with the whole thing.
That seems to be the way a lot of parishes are going with the Gloria. At the other parish where I work, we don’t sing the Gloria except for Christmas and Easter, but the priest requested that we use a Cantor/Response Gloria as well. I don’t know yet, which one the director will use. In that diocese, they have worked at not using the MofC at all and so most parishes there don’t actually use it anymore, so right now we are using the Proulx “Community Mass” with the revised setting (we were allowed by the bishop, so most parishes are doing it now). The congregation picked it up within a couple of weeks, which I think is the case for most mass settings. The parish where we are using the MofC is in a different diocese and they have not permitted anyone to start using it until Advent, so the pastor has requested that we go through the music before mass. Fortunately, it’s a parish where we get a good number of people show up early and they mostly stay until after the recessional is over… something totally new since the new music director/organist came about a year ago, which I give her a lot of credit for. She’s been doing the changes with a lot of common sense and with the idea of “slow and steady wins the race”.
I am using Mass of Creation primarily because of its familiarity. I too will be looking at something different next summer. I like to have two settings anyway so that they can change with the season.
That’s the main reason why our director is sticking with the MofC as well for now, until she can introduce them to a new setting.
I find the rest of Mass of Creation to be an easy change. The Sanctus has only one minor change. I am going with When We Eat This Bread, where we already know the words. I am doing the Agnus Dei, which I haven’t done in a while because of the discrepancy in the words. I think we will be 90% by Advent and 100 % by the middle of Advent.
I would agree. Actually for most of the revised mass settings that I’ve looked at, I think the change has been a pretty easy transition.
Our options are somewhat limited. We have little money allocated for music and no professionally trained musicians. We are all self-taught, though I have been playing for 35 years and even lead music in a Baptist Church a few decades back. I bought the music from this change over out of my pocket.
Can totally understand your situation. I know that many don’t have much of or any budget. Where I used to work as a children’s choir/handbell choir director and music teacher, there was really no budget. I paid for all the kids’ sheet music and other supplies. It didn’t have a budget for me to have rehearsals after school (my salary was based on the school day), so it could only done once a week during the lunch period - one day for voice choir and one day for handbell choir. Any extra rehearsals I had for Christmas mass/concert and Easter mass was on me, and we never had an organist for the rehearsals. She was only paid for the Sunday and Saturday mass and no budget to pay for rehearsal time.

The budget at all the churches where I currently work are small as well. For the new music director, she was totally surprised at how little of a budget she was able to work with as she had come from a protestant church which had a huge music budget. It was an eye opener for her, but she’s very smart and has been able to make things happen even with such a small budget. That said, she has the support of the pastor, which makes a HUGE difference.
 
I was going to start a separate thread, but I thought this might be a good place since mostly everyone here are music leaders or know music leaders and musicians are always looking for jobs. I just saw this listing on one of my music sites. It is a Catholic church looking for an organist to play their organ and piano in the New York area. Now they say that pay is in accordance to the archdiocese of ny and not to AGO guidelines, so that might mean that the pay is lower, but it’s worth checking out.
Roman Catholic Parish in Pearl River (Rockland County), NY has an IMMEDIATE opening for a Principal Organist.
The responsibilities of the position will include:
  • Playing at the three Sunday Morning Masses (9:30, 11:00 and 12:30)
  • Accompaning the Adult Choir Rehearsal on Wednesday evenings from 7:30-9:00 PM
  • Play organ for feast day Masses and Cathecetical Masses
  • Have right of first refusal for Weddings (funerals are currently covered)
Other playing as needed to be compensated for on a per occasion basis.
We are looking for someone with knowledge of the Catholic Liturgy (we will asssit with the new English Translation of the Mass), ability to play both the organ (three manual Allen electronic with instrument synthesizer) and upright grand piano.
This job is perfect for an advanced student or someone with other work commitments as it is part time. Pay is consistent with NY Archdiocese guidelines, not AGO.
Please send a resume to: scottthetenor@yahoo.com and all who inquire will receive contact back regarding audition, etc.
We are close in proximity to all major highways in the region, but not to public transportation.
 
I must be getting really tired. I just read this out of the corner of my eye and it looked like it said: “Our choir boy just got dis-assembled.” And I thought, “Wow, this reform of the reform is really getting SERIOUS.”

Just kidding. Might as well have fun with it. 😃
Believe me, the would have tried it.

ANYTHING, to stop the singing of…real hymns (shutter shutter shutter scream)
 
That seems to be the way a lot of parishes are going with the Gloria.
I’m not a fan of the new revised Mass Settings, ESPECIALLY MofC and Mass of Light. The Gloria is problematic, and I’m not using either one right now. Personally, I felt the best way to handle the revised text was to use new music. Bring the revised version of familiar settings (MofC, for example) in after they are used to the text. It will make THAT transition easier, in my opinion. I’ve received a lot of backlash from other directors with in my diocese and the immediate adjacent diocese, but I don’t care.
 
I am getting ready for my last shot at the old Gloria. Good-bye old friend. My priest wants in sung at every Mass this week.
 
I’m still concerned because our priest hasn’t gone over the new translation of the Creed. I guess they are just making us read off the notecards they’ve given us for the upcoming weeks, but they probably should’ve at least went over it a few times to get everyone familiar with the flow of it. Well, it’s sort of too late now.

I can’t believe another liturgical year has gone by - new translation next weekend!! 😃
 
Some publishers asked their composers to revise their setting. David Haas did not like it…he did it because he was asked to. Cramming more words into the same space is not good music. In my opinion, its not only awkward to sing, but people will automatically sing the old words from muscle memory. We are starting fresh with Mass of Renewal by Kaufmann.
 
I love Christ the King Sunday. We pulled out all the smells and bells for the Masses this weekend. The hymns were awesome too. Now we have Advent to look forward to!
 
Here’s what the settings were at my new home parish

OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, KING OF THE UNIVERSE
Processional:
To Jesus Christ, Our Sovereign King
Kyrie: The other deacon used the Penitential Rite C invocation, with the choir singing the “Lord Have Mercy” part (in a setting that was obviously written for the original Greek)
Alleulia: OCP-provided setting in Breaking Bread
Gloria: Heritage Mass
Offertory: The King of Love My Shepherd Is
Sanctus, Memorial Acclamation, Great Amen, and Agnus Dei: Heritage Mass
Communion: Like A Shepherd
Recessional: Crown Him With Many Crowns
 
Here’s what the settings were at my new home parish

OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, KING OF THE UNIVERSE
Processional:
To Jesus Christ, Our Sovereign King
Kyrie: The other deacon used the Penitential Rite C invocation, with the choir singing the “Lord Have Mercy” part (in a setting that was obviously written for the original Greek)
Alleulia: OCP-provided setting in Breaking Bread
Gloria: Heritage Mass
Offertory: The King of Love My Shepherd Is
Sanctus, Memorial Acclamation, Great Amen, and Agnus Dei: Heritage Mass
Communion: Like A Shepherd
Recessional: Crown Him With Many Crowns
I wanted to know: Did you use OCP’s responsorial psalm setting? I really liked the one for this week. The tune to the verses was very solemn in nature.
 
In my parish, we were this close to singing the Gloria (we usually only recite it). The organist asked the priest, and he thought about it for a moment, then said, “Well, maybe…eh, never mind; they won’t know the new words. We’ll recite it.” :banghead:

But we used incense! 👍
 
Christ the King - Hymn List
Processional: Crown Him with many Crowns
Psalm: 22
Salisbury Alleluia
Offertory: All Hail the Power of Jesus Name
Post Communion: Let all mortal flesh keep silence
Recessional: Lord Enthroned in Heavenly Splendour
Mass setting Murray A newe people’s mass with Coventry Gloria

Is anyone planning an Advent Carol Service next Sunday evening?
 
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