Muslim bigotry

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I’m not sure if it’s bigotry so much here as nationalism. The latter is preferable - slightly - to the former, but I think the message is that Egypt wants to sort this out on their own. Whether they actually will be able to is another story.
 
losh14 said:
I’m not sure if it’s bigotry so much here as nationalism. The latter is preferable - slightly - to the former, but I think the message is that Egypt wants to sort this out on their own. Whether they actually will be able to is another story.
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If this is how they view it, then it betrays a certain nievety and narrow mindedness. How can they expect the See of Peter to not respond in solidiarity with his fellow Christians after such a devestating attack.
 
crazzeto said:
If this is how they view it, then it betrays a certain nievety and narrow mindedness. How can they expect the See of Peter to not respond in solidiarity with his fellow Christians after such a devestating attack.
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They don’t know what the See of Peter is.
 
nablaise said:
They don’t know what the See of Peter is.
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I would not buy this argument, these people are intellectuals. You don’t have to be Catholic, or Christian to understand the history of the Church. Indeed I would think being so steeped in the cursades as they tend to be, they would know well our Church structure.
 
I just see an intellectual contradiction. Here is the United States, muslims want freedom of religious expression, but overseas it is another story entirely. Hypocrisy.
 
Captain_America said:
I just see an intellectual contradiction. Here is the United States, muslims want freedom of religious expression, but overseas it is another story entirely. Hypocrisy.
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You have said that one culture (yours) offers religious freedom and the other culture comes among you demanding the same, while not offering the same in their own lands. Who is diminished by that? The one who gives or the one who takes? It would seem that the ones who take and don’t reciprocate by doing the same in their own lands are diminished, but this too is false. In serving as an example of how not to be, they are your teachers, and in being such, they have served an equal purpose. Perhaps it would be best to simply take advantage of the opportunity, learn something, and move on.

Your friend,
Sufjon
 
crazzeto said:
I would not buy this argument, these people are intellectuals. You don’t have to be Catholic, or Christian to understand the history of the Church. Indeed I would think being so steeped in the cursades as they tend to be, they would know well our Church structure.
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They do know what the See is-------------they just don’t care. About Church structure or anything else. 😦
 
Sufjon said:
You have said that one culture (yours) offers religious freedom and the other culture comes among you demanding the same, while not offering the same in their own lands. Who is diminished by that? The one who gives or the one who takes? It would seem that the ones who take and don’t reciprocate by doing the same in their own lands are diminished, but this too is false. In serving as an example of how not to be, they are your teachers, and in being such, they have served an equal purpose. Perhaps it would be best to simply take advantage of the opportunity, learn something, and move on.

Your friend,
Sufjon
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I don’t understand you. What do you mean?

Do you mean a negative example also teaches?
 
Yes talk is cheap, action speaks louder now. Must learn Arabic, so I may know how they really say things behind our backs.
 
Captain_America said:
I just see an intellectual contradiction. Here is the United States, muslims want freedom of religious expression, but overseas it is another story entirely. Hypocrisy.
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I don’t honestly see the connect between what Muslims want in America vs. what is happening in their home countries. Presumably Muslims that come to America come for its opportunities and freedom and to escape the oppression, lack of freedom and economic corruption of their homelands. They may be of quite different mindset than those who remain in the Muslim countries.

Islam, unlike the Catholic Church, does not have a single authority, nor is it a single monolithic form. There are Shi’ites, Sunnis, Wahabbis, etc. They don’t always get along between themselves, and show considerable prejudice between each other, much as Catholics and Protestants do in some parts of the world.

I work with Muslims every day, and I have no quarrels with them.

What I do object to though, is that in my country (Canada) at least, we do bend over backwards to allow freedom of religious expression to immigrant groups (not only Muslims) but basically treat Christianity like a disease to be wiped off the face of the earth. I suspect the same mentality also exists in the US to a certain extent. If we have religious freedom, it should apply to all, including our own traditional forms of Christianity.
 
Captain_America said:
I don’t understand you. What do you mean?

Do you mean a negative example also teaches?
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Hi Captain America: Yes. Fair needs foul, as Crazy Jane said to the bishop. Light is of no use without darkness. Without darkness and it’s subtle gradations to help define form, a person standing in complete light is as blind as one in complete darkness. Together, light, dark and the shades in-between make it possible to see. Each serves a purpose. A person who sets a bad example serves a purpose if you let him, in that anyone can be your teacher. One can ruminate on on the bad actions of others, in which case, everyone loses. To learn from them with gratitude and move on is to profit yourself, and allows them to serve a good purpose.

friend,
Sufjon
 
OraLabora said:
I don’t honestly see the connect between what Muslims want in America vs. what is happening in their home countries. Presumably Muslims that come to America come for its opportunities and freedom and to escape the oppression, lack of freedom and economic corruption of their homelands. They may be of quite different mindset than those who remain in the Muslim countries.

Islam, unlike the Catholic Church, does not have a single authority, nor is it a single monolithic form. There are Shi’ites, Sunnis, Wahabbis, etc. They don’t always get along between themselves, and show considerable prejudice between each other, much as Catholics and Protestants do in some parts of the world.

I work with Muslims every day, and I have no quarrels with them.

What I do object to though, is that in my country (Canada) at least, we do bend over backwards to allow freedom of religious expression to immigrant groups (not only Muslims) but basically treat Christianity like a disease to be wiped off the face of the earth. I suspect the same mentality also exists in the US to a certain extent. If we have religious freedom, it should apply to all, including our own traditional forms of Christianity.
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In America the mentality is to wipe out religious expression completely. Atheists don’t want Christianity expressed, Christians don’t want Islam expressed.
 
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Hi Captain America: Yes. Fair needs foul, as Crazy Jane said to the bishop. Light is of no use without darkness. Without darkness and it’s subtle gradations to help define form, a person standing in complete light is as blind as one in complete darkness. Together, light, dark and the shades in-between make it possible to see. Each serves a purpose. A person who sets a bad example serves a purpose if you let him, in that anyone can be your teacher. One can ruminate on on the bad actions of others, in which case, everyone loses. To learn from them with gratitude and move on is to profit yourself, and allows them to serve a good purpose.

friend,
Sufjon
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I don’t buy that view. It has a superficial take on human reality. People do not need the existence of bad things to savor good things.

This is a Hollywood myth, in my opinion. Or, perhaps the real source is gothic-style Romanticism.

One can eat a lot of white bread sandwiches, be bored silly gastronomically, and then really savor a Thai meal. You don’t need opposites to know what’s good.
 
Today at the end of Mass, monsignor was reading the bulletin to us, “today in the park hall we’ll be having a long presentation from an Islamic imam called “Understanding Islam” you’re all invited to come!”

HUH?
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Today at the end of Mass, monsignor was reading the bulletin to us, “today in the park hall we’ll be having a long presentation from an Islamic imam called “Understanding Islam” you’re all invited to come!”

HUH?
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So what did you learn? 😃 Do tell, Do tell?
 
I didn’t go. No way. Wasn’t interested in the least and angry that the Church here would support that. what is there to gain? It’s like CCC 841 at my parish level! rrrrrgh

My wife isn’t a happy camper about returning to Catholicism, I’m hanging on to Catholicism by the thinnest of threads, then they announce that !! my wife’s eyes bulged…
GaryTaylor said:
So what did you learn? 😃 Do tell, Do tell?
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