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Isa_Almisry
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By saying they are corrupt?
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Isa_Almisry
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Satan tempted Christ, and Satan lost (Matthew 4, Mark 1, Luke 4).
What is the Muslim version of the Satanic verses?
What’s that hadith about Satan touching all except Jesus and His Mother?
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inJESUS
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scipio337
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That’s always puzzled me…Why is reading the Injil recommended if it is corrupted?
I would ask the same question of LDS.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
U will find the same info in the Bible :
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us’?
But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie”
(Jeremiah 8:8, quoted from the New American Standard Bible).
so , why put blame on Quran or Prophet Muhammed (p) ?
God warned people in His last book that :
So woe to [the ones] who write the Book with their hands; thereafter they say,
“This is from [the providence of] Allah.”
That they may trade it for a little price;
So, woe to those for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned*
(Al-Baqarah 2: 79)
And who is more unjust than he who has fabricated against Allah a lie, or has said: “to me it has been revealed” and nothing has been revealed to him.
And who has said: “I will send down the like of what Allah has sent down.
(Al-An`am 6: 93)
huh…the verses/ books Protestant don’t accept are considered as holy by the Catholics. So , it’s the Christians who are telling u that some parts are corrupted .
U will find the same info in the Bible :
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us’?
But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie”
(Jeremiah 8:8, quoted from the New American Standard Bible).
so , why put blame on Quran or Prophet Muhammed (p) ?
God warned people in His last book that :
So woe to [the ones] who write the Book with their hands; thereafter they say,
“This is from [the providence of] Allah.”
That they may trade it for a little price;
So, woe to those for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned*
(Al-Baqarah 2: 79)
And who is more unjust than he who has fabricated against Allah a lie, or has said: “to me it has been revealed” and nothing has been revealed to him.
And who has said: “I will send down the like of what Allah has sent down.
(Al-An`am 6: 93)
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Truth_Forever
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It is funny that you are saying that those people in the list are famous ex-Muslims who converted to Christianity!
Actually I am a Muslim and I am not familiar with a single name in this long list
lol
Actually I am a Muslim and I am not familiar with a single name in this long list
lol
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planten
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**Almisry, I can reply to the 3 questions, specially the last one about the mother of Jesus.
- It is bad that Satan tempted Jesus , a man of God. He took Jesus around for forty days.
- Forget the satanic verses of a satan who is in the hiding. He got a lot of money in return for writing that dirty book. You should not celebrate such things.
- That Hadith is a wonderful truth about the Satan touching (hitting) every new born except Jesus and his mother. It is true but not all can understand it. I can explain that very well and I should do that soon for the benefit of all, Insha Allah.
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dzheremi
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No it isn’t, it’s two religious communities with common roots using different forms of the same Bible because the reformers of the Protestants made changes that reflected their own doctrinal stances, which were at variance with those of the Catholic Church. It says nothing about the “corruption” of the Bible and everything about what individuals determined to interpret the Bible their OWN way will do. The Bible is still the Bible.
To put it in terms you can understand, it is as if the Sunni and Shia had different Qurans. I know they don’t, but if they did, would you then say “The Quran itself is corrupt”, you would say “The Shia (or Sunni I guess, if you are Shia) made a different Quran”?
Also, it was in a news story posted here and probably other places that the Turks are right now editing the Quran, so this is not a silly hypothetical question.
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inJESUS
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planten
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** It is necessary to read the bible even though there have been lot of changes in it. The reason is, we must know what has been going on and some one has to warn you and inform you about it. Whether you believe us or not, it does not matter. It is our sacred duty and we are doing it humbly**.
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planten
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Angelos
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You Muslims are good at distorting both the Torah and your Koran to prove the traditional Islamic theories about the corruption of the former revelations.
First, Protestants do not believe in textual corruption. This is a lie born of your fantasies and wishful thinking. Reformed Churches recognise only few books of the Old Testament as non-canonical because those books are missing from the Jewish Text although they are present in the Greek version (Septuagint).
Second, your conclusion that Jeremiah referred to the textual corruption of the Torah is derived from the misinterpretation of that verse through the deliberate ignorance of the context. What God through Jeremiah blames many priests and scribes for is those scribes’ personal and misleading commentaries on the Law of God.However, the supposed corruption of the Torah did not become possible because God always intervened and consolidated the truth through His prophets.
Finally, the verses you quoted are taken from the second chapter of the Koran and they were written down after Mohammad’s migration to Madina. It is by no means a coincidence that Jews are accused of distorting their scripture at a late peirod of the Koran right after Mohammad’s falling out with the Jews. What those charges actually aim is not to teach that the Torah is no more authentic, but to provide examples for Jews’ evil deeds and characteristics while trying to prove that they are not expected to believe in Islam.
Despite a few verses in the second chapter, the Koran in many places endorses the Torah as the authentic and reliable Word of God. For instance:
Surah 5:43
How come they unto thee for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment ? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers.
Surah 26:48-49
But when there came unto them the Truth from Our presence, they said: Why is he not given the like of what was given unto Moses ? Did they not disbelieve in that which was given unto Moses of old ? They say: Two magics that support each other; and they say: Lo! in both we are disbelievers. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Then bring a scripture from the presence of Allah that giveth clearer guidance than these two (that) I may follow it, if ye are truthful.
Surah 10:94
And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.
Surah 2:41
And believe in that which I reveal, confirming that which ye possess already and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me.
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Angelos
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I am sure the false teaching that Satan took Jesus around for forty days was whispered into your ear by Satan.
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Angelos
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The authors of the Koran were obviously unaware of that sacred duty since they recurrently claimed that the Koran was revealed to confirm what came before it. LOL
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Angelos
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Satan is still whispering into the hearts of you Muslims his satanic verses. This is why you spread lies about the Gospel of Christ and His apostle Paul. (The authors of the Koran knew nothing about your innovated hatred towards Paul though LOL).
If you read the NT, you will see that Jesus promised to send His disciples to the whole world to preach His Gospel. The true prophets after Christ are sent by Him to preach His message to everyone. If a person claims to be a prophet, but teaches something contrary to Christ’s Gospel and to the teachings of His prophets (disciples filled with the Holy Spirit) that person is but a false prophet. Thus, it is so simple to discern prophets and condemn the false ones. Mohammad taught a new ideology that went against Jesus’ Gospel and he never claimed to be a disciple of Christ. In short, Mohammad was a false prophet. He has no chance
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inJESUS
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strange that your tafasir include Paul as an apostle
and He did send prophets and the apostles welcomed them…Muhammad was not, is not, and will never be one of the true prophets sent by Jesus, unless you believe Jesus sent Muhammad therefore Jesus is Allah
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cathopologist
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You mean you never heard of Magdi Allam? Gosh, i never thought i could be so right when i told another Muslim (of this forum) why the Qur’an should have remained at the place of its origin - the cave.
PS: The list of names is only the tip of the iceberg. There are several thousands, or even millions of converts- it would be too long and unnecessary.
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MugenOne
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Over 6 million Muslims leave Islam for Christianity. Yes, there are more people leaving Islam than coming into it.
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dzheremi
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Emir Kusturica is one of the greatest film directors from the former Yugoslavia (Sarajevo, Bosnia-Herzegovina). His film “Underground” won many awards, including the Golden Palm award at Cannes in France in 1995.
Abdul Rahman is incredibly famous now thanks to the MASSIVE media coverage of his persecution at the hands of the new Afghan “justice” system, all due to his conversion to Christianity. I am suprised you haven’t heard of him. This is a very recent story, covered over much of the world (though maybe not the Muslim world, for obvious reasons).
Abdul Rahman is incredibly famous now thanks to the MASSIVE media coverage of his persecution at the hands of the new Afghan “justice” system, all due to his conversion to Christianity. I am suprised you haven’t heard of him. This is a very recent story, covered over much of the world (though maybe not the Muslim world, for obvious reasons).
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dolphinlove
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WHAT? You have denied the hadiths so many times on this forum its not funny, now your endorsing them?
Planten, what do you actually believe?
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