Muslim converts to Christianity

[planten]

Well, MW was making those data hers, just as you seem to make them yours. And so what I said to her also applies to you, Planten. Since you are discussing against what Jesus Christ Himself teaches through His Church, I think I am in a position to say it. In your case, I told you a number of times before.
If someone says something against what the Qur’an teaches, can’t you demonstrate how wrong that person could be without having to defame our Faith. Unless defaming someone else’s faith is O.K. in Islam? and then I would have to dismiss all Muslim because to them defaming my faith would be O.K. … But according to some of you, it’s bad according to Islam to do so…
I am sure you can bring a better argument than that without having to resort to defaming our faith, hmm?

**Sorry, I would never try to defame any person or faith. My post was in support of M W. M W had given some data. I am sure it was not her prepared data. It was from some others. If she presented it then it was your duty to refute that data instead of telling her that she should not present such things.

I was sure that she was justified to do what she did. That data may be all wrong. But then it was your duty to prove what was wrong with it.

I repeat, I do not defame any one. But when some christians full of love (sporting love) come here and start blaming our prophet for certain things then only it becomes necessary to guide them to their own good works. Otherwise, I am quite calm. I understand your advice is quite right and should be followed by all here.**

 

[Isa_Almisry]

But did Jesus ever say that he was God? Never even once.

It is no use joining meaningless sentences to create the greatest sin of polytheism (Shirk). Because he was the word and word was with god and word was god. What a round about way of saying things!.
Do you want to open the can of worms of repetion in the Quran?

And only John knew it. The other three writers (mathew, mark and luke) did not know it at all. Why?

Actually they did, so St. John could devote his Gospel to other details. You don’t believe or read any scriptiure “which was sent down before you,” so I understand how you don’t know how that works. Like taking down testimony from many witnesses so get the full picture. You only have one man’s story.
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I do not have to say that word was God. Why I should make the word as God?
Your Quran says Christ is the Word of God, so take it up with Muhammad.

Why not I should say that bird was God?

If the bird makes the claim ask him to prove it.

The saying “Word was with God” and “Word was God”, how could it be. Something which was with God became God? How come?

The same way your Quran is supposed His speech and on a preserved Tablet.
The same way the suns rays are from the sun and are the sun.

**It could be very complicated if you keep on adding others with God, such as 1+1+1+=3. **

• addition
  X multiplication
  you did get that far in math, no?

And you cannot deny that because you say there is a father God, there is a son God, There is a Holy spirit that is god.That makes Three. And you have the word Trinity as a proof that the number three is there which is not shown in your equation e.g. 1x1x1=1. Where is three in that?.

1 (one 1) x 1 (two 1) x 1 (three 1): there’s your three.

But Trinity needs three to be there.

and there He is.

**That has no meaning. man cannot comprehend God. **
You can’t fit the ocean of divinity into your small pail of a head (your meaning human).

Okay. may be so. There is no problem. But it is necessary by the old law (OT) and the latest covenant (Quran) that mankind remain away from mutiple gods…

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Was that what the Satanic verses were about?
There are no multiple Gods in the NT. “The Father and I are One.”

I cannot understand what you mean about our prophet knew.

He knew that claiming to be the Son of God means to be God.

He knew that you were preaching three gods. That is mentioned in the Quran

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Mistaken on us preaching Three gods, and wrong on the Persons of the Most Holy Trinity.
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**What I should explain? If you stop abusing the prophet of Islam and do not say that he was visited by the devil and that he was a false prophet **
I didn’t say he was visited by the devil.
He denied Christ’s divinity. If it comes to denying Christ or calling Muhammad a false prophet, the choice is easy.

(because Muslims do not say Jesus was a false prophet.

They just deny what He taught, and ridicule and abuse (and kill) those who teach it.

]Muslims do not abuse or hate Jesus and his mother.) then you could be on equal footing. Nobody would hurt.You preach your religion and do not say anything bad about Quran.

While the Quran lies about Christ and the Church, No deal.

You can preach your Trinity too peacefully, no harm.

You can get killed for it.

But things get out of hand when any one starts the abuse. I do not like any harassment of the christians in Muslim countries.

Read what reward awaits you. Matthew 10:42, Mark 9:41.

Remember that there is a law in Britian that nobody can abuse or ridicule Jesus (only).

Were it so. It seems not to be the case.

That is a cover for Jesus only and for nobody else. Is that justified? And no respect or cover for any one else? Let us leave this topic please.

That is not for you. An eye for eye is very good. But you have disowned that law. So please, as a christian, do not preach that any more. We Muslims support it fully. Thanks.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

No you are wrong about anti-christ. Anti-christ will not be whispering. He will be openly preaching things contrary to the beliefs of Jesus. We Muslims are not preaching anything about Jesus.
You preach He is not God.

We do have the belief bout Jesus but we do not preach that. We have our ownfaith and other good thinsg to preach.

The one who does not confess that Jesus is God come in the flesh, as the genuine material that the Church preaches says.

 

[Angelos]

**No you are wrong about anti-christ. Anti-christ will not be whispering. He will be openly preaching things contrary to the beliefs of Jesus. We Muslims are not preaching anything about Jesus.We do have the belief bout Jesus but we do not preach that. We have our ownfaith and other good thinsg to preach.

But it is the church whois preaching things about Jesus. So they better see the material they have got is genuine R_not. It is not genuine. So who is anti-christ?**

You Muslims always preach the false Messiah in your Koran as the true one! We shall never let you steal our Jesus from us! Your scripture is replete with Mohammad’s false and mistaken teachings attributed to Jesus. One must be blind not to see what you are saying is refuted by the verses in your scripture.

 

[planten]

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Do you want to open the can of worms of repetion in the Quran?

That was meaningless.

Actually they did, so St. John could devote his Gospel to other details. You don’t believe or read any scriptiure “which was sent down before you,” so I understand how you don’t know how that works. Like taking down testimony from many witnesses so get the full picture. You only have one man’s story.

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**They (mathew, mark and Luke) did not mention a word about the word was god etc. You are trying to avoid the truth. **

Your Quran says Christ is the Word of God, so take it up with Muhammad

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Yes, that is right. But it does not say that the word is God.

The same way your Quran is supposed His speech and on a preserved Tablet.
The same way the suns rays are from the sun and are the sun.

** Not understood. No meaning.**

• addition
  X multiplication
  you did get that far in math, no?

1 (one 1) x 1 (two 1) x 1 (three 1): there’s your three.
and there He is.

** You are making it up now. But see your post 1x1x1=1. There was no three there. So please put your new maths as 1x1x1=3 now then three will be there.**

You can’t fit the ocean of divinity into your small pail of a head (your meaning human).

And the mathematics that you are teaching is never taught in any college. That is three in One and One in three.

Was that what the Satanic verses were about?

**If you are interested, I would refer you to Da Vinci Code which tells that Jesus was married to Mary Magd and he had a son too. Then you may forget about the Satanic Verses !

The satanic verses was written by a foolish man. But the Da Vinci was written by a top class Italian christian Engineer of great repute, the painter of a great painting…Mona Lisa.
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There are no multiple Gods in the NT. “The Father and I are One.”

Then you forget the third god, i.e. holy spirit. Why does not the holy spirit say that she is also one with some one. You are distorting the real meaning of the sentence. That cleverness will not work here.

He knew that claiming to be the Son of God means to be God.

**How it is possible, The son is always separate from the father. The son cannot become the father unless he gets married and gets a child which according to the christians, Jesus did not do.

I know there are many unmarried fathers in church system. But that is another false system.**

Mistaken on us preaching Three gods, and wrong on the Persons of the Most Holy Trinity.

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No mistake. You are doing wrong and unexplainable things in religion. Trinity is not right and cannot be understood even by the christians. they just believe it.

I didn’t say he was visited by the devil.
He denied Christ’s divinity. If it comes to denying Christ or calling Muhammad a false prophet, the choice is easy.

Everybody will deny the divinity of any one except God. Even Moses would have denied divinity of Jesus if he was here.

They just deny what He taught, and ridicule and abuse (and kill) those who teach it.

That has no meaning. It is an accusation and I am not responsible for what they do.

While the Quran lies about Christ and the Church, No deal.

There is no need to tell you the truth as you are against the truth. You cannot prove the truth of your un-natural religion. So we do not need to lie about a religion which has false beliefs.

 

[cathopologist]

******If you are interested, I would refer you to Da Vinci Code which tells that Jesus wa smarrie dand he had a son too. Then youmay forget about the Satanic Verses !

The satanic verses was writetn by a foolish man. Butthe Da Vinci was writetn by a top class christian Engineer of great repute, the painter of a great painting…**

The Duh Vinci Code was not written by Leonardo. Yes, he was one of the greatest engineers of his time.

For goodness sakes, planten. Don’t make a mockery out of yourself. Smarten up. Seriously. Even Atheists know the Duh Vinci Code is full of garbage.

 

[inJESUS]

 

[KenEOTE]

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**If you are interested, I would refer you to Da Vinci Code which tells that Jesus was married to Mary Magd and he had a son too. Then you may forget about the Satanic Verses !

The satanic verses was written by a foolish man. But the Da Vinci was written by a top class Italian christian Engineer of great repute, the painter of a great painting…Mona Lisa.

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Platen, have you read the Da Vinci Code? Or seen the Movie? It was written by a man named Dan Brown. He is a fiction writer. The Da Vinci Code is a Novel it is a work of Fiction. You have made yourself look foolish by this post. You have proven that you do not know what you are talking about.

 

[inJESUS]

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**They (mathew, mark and Luke) did not mention a word about the word was god etc. You are trying to avoid the truth. **

 

[Isa_Almisry]

That was meaningless.

Much of the repetition in the Quran certainly is.

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**They (mathew, mark and Luke) did not mention a word about the word was god etc. You are trying to avoid the truth. **

No, they gave different, corroborating testimony. Since you only have the testimony of one, I understand the problem with the idea of corroboration.

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Yes, that is right. But it does not say that the word is God.

Yes, I know that it uses a lot of borrowed phrases without understanding them.

** Not understood. No meaning.**

** You are making it up now. But see your post 1x1x1=1. There was no three there. So please put your new maths as 1x1x1=3 now then three will be there.**

Didn’t pass math I see.

And the mathematics that you are teaching is never taught in any college. That is three in One and One in three.

Your right. 1x1x1=1 is taught in primary school.

If you are interested, I would refer you to Da Vinci Code which tells that Jesus was married to Mary Magd and he had a son too. Then you may forget about the Satanic Verses !
The Da Vinci code was concocted by non-(anti-)Christian. I’ve read the tale of the Satanic Verses from Muslim sources.

The satanic verses was written by a foolish man. But the Da Vinci was written by a top class Italian christian Engineer of great repute, the painter of a great painting…Mona Lisa.

It was written by Dan Brown, a hack American plagerist (although not legally, his ideas were not original).
Didn’t even know that Leonardo (part Arab, btw, genetic testing now shows) Da Vinci had nothing to do with the novel.

And we’re supposed to take your criticism of the Gospels serious?

Then you forget the third god, i.e. holy spirit. Why does not the holy spirit say that she
He’s a He btw.

is also one with some one. You are distorting the real meaning of the sentence. That cleverness will not work here.

Christ states, the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, with Whom He is One.

How it is possible, The son is always separate from the father.
The Son is always with the Father.

The son cannot become the father unless he gets married and gets a child which according to the christians, Jesus did not do.

Jesus isn’t the Incarnate Father, He is the Incarnate Son.
There’s that carnal thinking going again.
How does Allah be all hearing and all seeing without eyes and ears?

I know there are many unmarried fathers in church system. But that is another false system.

A certain “prophet” I know had a father who wasn’t married to his mother, and many followers of said prophet had/have lots of concubines having children witout being married to the father, so I’d tread lighter.

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No mistake. You are doing wrong and unexplainable things in religion. Trinity is not right and cannot be understood even by the christians. they just believe it.

Sorry that our God is greater than our (and your) understanding.
Must be nice to have a god you can reduce to your level. Then again, probably not that nice.

Everybody will deny the divinity of any one except God. Even Moses would have denied divinity of Jesus if he was here.

He was: Mat. 17:1-13, Mark 9:2-13, Luke 9:28-36.
And Moses confessed Christ’s divinity: John 5:46.

That has no meaning.
Saying their deaths/martyrdoms have no meaning?

It is an accusation

It is a fact.

and I am not responsible for what they do.

Fair enough, didn’t say you were.

There is no need to tell you the truth
Admitting defeat?

as you are against the truth.

Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. May I be worthy of His name.

You cannot prove the truth of your un-natural religion.

It’s supernatural.
and I don’t need to prove the proven tried and true.

So we do not need to lie

and yet you do.

about a religion which has false beliefs.

The One True Faith.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

oh yea they did

 

[KenEOTE]

** You are making it up now. But see your post 1x1x1=1. There was no three there. So please put your new maths as 1x1x1=3 now then three will be there.**

And the mathematics that you are teaching is never taught in any college. That is three in One and One in three.

Planten, this also shows your lack of education I guess. 1+1+1= 3
1x1x1=1… You should have learned this in the 2nd grade. I believe that is when most people understand simple Mathematics.

In the future stick with the things you know which appear to be very limited.
Avoid Dan Brown and the Da Vinci Code, and Math.

 

[cathopologist]

Avoid Dan Brown and the Da Vinci Code, and Math.

Surely you’re not serious about this, are you? Math is an important subject. The Muslims knew this - that’s why they stole the numerical “0” from the Indians and claimed it for themselves.

 

[KenEOTE]

Surely you’re not serious about this, are you? Math is an important subject. The Muslims knew this - that’s why they stole the numerical “0” from the Indians and claimed it for themselves.

No I am serious because he doesn’t seem to understand simple math, so it makes him look even sillier, when he says things like 1x1x1=3 when even an 7 year old knows it equals 1.

 

[inJESUS]

Math is an important subject. The Muslims knew this

that’s why some believe in the miraculous number 19 in the Quran, but it only applies to Hafs version, not Warsh since they’re not the same

 

[cathopologist]

No I am serious because he doesn’t seem to understand simple math, so it makes him look even sillier, when he says things like 1x1x1=3 when even an 7 year old knows it equals 1.

Perhaps a 7 year old Nestorian must have helped him there. No wonder Mohammad only sees 1 but not the 3 attributes that makes up for the One.

 

[KenEOTE]

Perhaps a 7 year old Nestorian must have helped him there. No wonder Mohammad only sees 1 but not the 3 attributes that makes up for the One.

No if he had help he wouldn’t have said the insane things he did.

 

[planten]

The Duh Vinci Code was not written by Leonardo. Yes, he was one of the greatest engineers of his time.

For goodness sakes, planten. Don’t make a mockery out of yourself. Smarten up. Seriously. Even Atheists know the Duh Vinci Code is full of garbage.

Honestly tell tell me " Is the satanic verses full of truth?" I make you the judge. So please show the christian honesty. Thanks.

 

[planten]

inJESUS;4145508:

as Platen has no concept of fulfiling Scripture I am afraid your wonderful (thank you) post will be lost on him.

** I have the four gospels. I see that only John is talking about the word and word was with God and the word was God. But mathew and luke and mark never mention the word. Why? They are also very senior partners in the creation of the bible. They are the reliable authors of the man made book.

All of you have not have not proved anything.**

 

[planten]

No I am serious because he doesn’t seem to understand simple math, so it makes him look even sillier, when he says things like 1x1x1=3 when even an 7 year old knows it equals 1.

That was done for you because in your 1x1x1=1 there was no trinity. So I figured that you must have made a mistake. What you should be teaching is 1x1x1=3. But who will buy that?