Muslim converts to Christianity

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Salaam/peace;

what’s the difference between Christianity & Orthodox Christianity ?
Well to understand my quote, I wouldn’t mind studying Christianity but it seems to lack true spirituality… So I started studying Orthodox Christianity. Before studying Orthodox Christianity, the only Christianity I knew was Protestant Christianity, (Baptist, Methodist, Pentocostal etc).

I was completely ignorant of Orthodox Christianity.

Orthodox Christianity are the original Christians, and they have an unbroken chain from priest linking all the way back to Jesus. This is not true with the other modern Christian groups, like the Protestant.
what do u mean by Suuni Islam has some type of authority ?
Sunni Islam have Ulama (scholars), there is some type of authority in the religion, people cannot randomly take quotes from the Quran and Sunnah and intreprete the religion as they please.

Allah says in the Quran, “Ask those who know well (Those who remember) if you do not know.” And this refers to the scholars of Islam.
Like Traditional Sunni Islam, God caused all the heretic early groups to die out and preserved the Orthodox Church.
pl. explain.
During Early Christianity, there were many heretical Christian groups, like the Ebionites, and the Gnostics. God cause these heretical Christian groups and preserved the Orthodox Church as prophecsied in the Gospel. And God preserved the Orthodox Church with an unbroken chain back to Jesus.

In Islam, Traditional Sunni Muslim believe this about themselves, there were Mutazila and the Mujassimah and other heretical Islamic Groups, Muslims believe Allah caused the other groups to die out and preserved Traditional Sunni Islam, which has an unbroken chain back to Muhammad.
ok , what is Orthodox Christianity ?
The Original Christian Church, established by Jesus and His Disciples.

In Christ,

Silouan
 
Salaam/peace;
Is it true that a Christan man must marry his brother’s widow if she does not have any kid or it is also outlawed by the Church ?
John Meyendorff writes, “In the Christian understanding, marriage is absolutely unique and quite incompatible with the “levirate.” Never would the Christian Church encourage a man to marry his brother’s widow.” (Marriage, An Orthodox Perspective)

I believe it is outlawed by the church.

In Christ,

Silouan
 
Where in the New Testament, a clear or understandable condemnation or negation of polygamy?

If a Muslim wants to become a Catholic (who has multiple wives) must divorce his all wives and keep just one?
If not, then how is polygamy exactly forbidden in the NT or when it is compromised and allowed for him?

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Where in the New Testament, a clear or understandable condemnation or negation of polygamy?

If a Muslim wants to become a Catholic (who has multiple wives) must divorce his all wives and keep just one?
If not, then how is polygamy exactly forbidden in the NT or when it is compromised and allowed for him?
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You are not different from the Sadducees asking Jesus a similar question.

It is unreasonable and vain to look for a rule concerning the marital status of a Muslim guy practicing polygamy prior to his conversion, for there were no Muslims at Jesus’ time. However, Paul states that Christians are allowed to divorce their pagan wives if they choose to remain pagan. This must tell you something.

Monogamy is overtly praised in the NT whereas polygamy is condemned as an additional practice not taking part in God’s primary pattern devised for mankind at the beginning of creation.

I must pose a similar question to yours: what would happen if a thief were caught stealing twice and both his hands were cut? What would your Sharia do if he stole once more with the help of his prosthesis? His plastic arm would be cut for punishment? 😃
 
Salaam/peace;

I read Bible long ago . There is a verse like that Jesus (p) said : I did not come to change any law but to fullfill.

So , how come Jesus (p) banned polygamy that was practised by many Prophets ( pbut ) & was approved by God Almighty ?
First, Solomon and David had many wives NOT because they were prophets, but because they were Kings of Israel.

Second, whatever is allowed by God almighty is NOT essentially approved by Him. God also alllows evil to exist in the world, and evil people can hurt and harm His chosen ones, which does not mean that God is pleased with evil deeds.

Finally, Jesus did not come to change the Law, but to fulfill it! AMEN. He Himself perfected the Law by enforcing the preliminary marital plan for mankind approved by God at the beginning of Creation. Adam was given one wife, and the two became ONE.
 
Salaam/peace;
John Meyendorff writes, “In the Christian understanding, marriage is absolutely unique and quite incompatible with the “levirate.” Never would the Christian Church encourage a man to marry his brother’s widow.” (Marriage, An Orthodox Perspective)

I believe it is outlawed by the church.

In Christ,

Silouan
who is John Meyendorff ? If there is a law in the holy book , a man can dismiss it ?
 
Salaam/peace;
who is John Meyendorff ?
John Meyendorff is an Orthodox Christian Scholar.
If there is a law in the holy book , a man can dismiss it ?
Polygamy was not outlawed by a man, but by the Church, the body of Christ, a body of men who represent Christ and who are endowed with the Holy Spirit.

Are you familiar with the term “ijma”??? In Islam, this term is called, consensus. In Islamic law, there is a precedence given to ijma, it is part of Islamic law, what majority of Muslims agree on it is the law. This is also true in Orthodox Christianity. There is a consensus (ijma) within the Orthodox Church that polygamy is unlawful, it is ijma.

I am giving you an Islamic term to help you better understand the Orthodox Christian position on this issue.

In Islamic Legal theory, first one refers to the Quran, than Sunnah, than Ijma, than Qiyas, than Ihtishan, etc etc etc. These are general rules, but things don’t always follow these principles because the Islamic tradition has to be taken into account, sometimes a hadith is given precedence over Quran, depending on the circumstance.

In Christ,

Silouan
 
Salaam/peace;
Orthodox Christianity are the original Christians,
Roman Catholics & Orthodox Christians are same ?

How Orthodox Christianity is better than Islam ? Which original holy book do u follow now ?
Muslims believe Allah caused the other groups to die
ooopsss …I had no idea about that . Where did u get this info ?
 
Greetings,

I take offense to this. One I am an ex-Muslim. I say, Al Hamdullah that I left Islam. I was once a Traditional Sunni Muslim and I left that and now I am an Orthodox Christian.

In a CD set by Shaykh Hamza Yusuf entitled, The Vision of Islam he says,

**“Anyone who looks at Islam will look at it through filters. Muslims will look at their religion in variably defensively because they believe in it, whether they really understand the religious tradition or not. There are some Muslims out there that I think that if they found out what their religion said, they might even leave their religion because it is inconsistent with their view of the world. **There are other Muslims and I think it is the vast majority of them that it would only strengthen their conviction in their religion, the more they got to know their religion. There are some non-Muslims if they studied Islam they would convert to Islam, there are others ones that it would actually increase their belligerence toward Islam, and then there are other ones that they would not convert but they would have a deep respect for the tradition. So everybody brings filters to whatever they look at.”

Now, read what Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said, **“There are some Muslims out there that I think that if they found out what their religion said, they might even leave their religion because it is inconsistent with their view of the world.” **

That was me, 100%, the more I learned about Islam, the more I felt Islam wasn’t for me. I don’t hate Islam, it is just not a religion for me. I was a very devout Muslim, I prayed five times a day, I even prayed Tahajjah (night prayer), I would pray any place at the right time. I would say for at least the last 4 years of my Islamic life, God gave me the tawfiq never to miss a prayer within its prescribed time, except with a valid excuse. I even lost my job because I was Muslim, I use to pray at work. So I prayed to God that I would be able to pray at work without people knowing, and for two years at my previous job, I prayed at work without them even knowing, God concealed my praying. Once however, someone saw me praying from a far and they thought I was throwing up, so they called the building I was working at, I told them I was looking at a bug, (you know how you go into ruku back to the standing position than to the sujud.) I guess it looked like I was throwing up, from a far.

I am quite knowledgeable about Islam. I would even say, I probably know more about Islam than most Muslims. I would even say, that most Muslims remain muslim, because they don’t practice everything Islam teaches. If they forced themselve to practice the religion as it has been taught and preserved from century to century until this time, most Muslims would probably leave to.

Most of my Muslim friends who are still Muslim, remain Muslim because they didn’t practice Islam the way I did. I did not listen to music, I did not eat non-zabiha meat, I spent most of my time at the masjid, I use to give classes at the masjid. I hardly watched TV. I would only go out to a movie when another Muslim asked me, but I thought it was Haraam, because music was played at movies, they would make excuses as to why Music was permissible. In movies they use to show haraam women. I had very little friends, but I did not like to be around alot of haram things.

However because of my devout religious practice, muslims in my community use to love me. When I lost my job because I was Muslim, a Muslim came to me and offered to pay me a salary while I was in school and/or until I get back on my feet. My car broke down and the muslim community bought me a car and plus gave me some money. This doesn’t happen to many Muslim converts, but it happened to me. This is a good thing.

But as time went on, I left Islam because it was not for me.

And I really understand Islam, at a much deeper level than most Muslims.

In Christ,

Silouan
I have that CD set. Used to have it actually, I just let someone else borrow it. Out of curiosity, did you listen to it before or after you left Islam?
 
It is a long story. I cannot say I left it for one praticular reason. But perhaps many things. But if i had to pick one thing, I would say that I no longer had sakina (that inner peace and joy). I could no longer invite people to Islam. How could I invite or call people to Islam, when I did not feel happy about it??? I felt like I would be calling people to misery. My sister made the comment, “You make Islam appear impossible to follow.” She said this because** I practiced everything possible in the religion**. There is a hadith that says, the Religion is Easy. Let me tell you, there is nothing easy about Islam.
Actually, this is the hadith, narrated by Abu Hurayrah and reported by Imam al-Bukhari: “The religion (of Islam) is easy, and **whoever makes the religion a rigour, it will overpower him. **So, **follow a middle course (in worship); if you can’t do this, do something near to it and give glad tidings and seek help (of Allah) **at morn and at dusk and some part of night”.

For me, Islam has never been anything but easy. Even when I thought it was going to be hard, it was easy. I didn’t pray for 6 months after converting, but once I started, I never left it. I thought it might be too much, all 5 prayers every day, but it wasn’t. It was easy. My first Ramadan, I thought it was going to be too hard, but it wasn’t–it was easy. Everything has been like that. But in fact you epitomize that hadith, because as you said you made it difficult for yourself, and then it overpowered you. Wallaahi, Muhammad the Messenger of Allah, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, spoke the truth.
Toward the last days of my Islam, I would get panic attacks just from reading Islamic books (I had over 1000 books). I tried reciting the Quran to relieve this and it did not work. Islam became such a burden to my soul, I woke up one friday morning, and said, I am done with it.
I never felt so happy. It was like a **big rock was lifted **from my shoulders.
No kidding.
After leaving Islam, I still had a need for spirituality.
No offense or anything, but I think you had a need for spirituality before you left Islam. Reading books and eating only dhabihah, avoiding music and movies–that doesn’t make you a spiritual person.
I started doing research on the history of Christianity
After my studies of Orthodox Christianity, I feel 100% sure that it represents the true teaching of Jesus, the son of Mary.
After leaving Islam, I think the biggest problem with Islam is that the scholars systematized the religion, when they systematized the religion they compartmentalized the religion. So much so, that the outward sciences of Islam, outweighs the inward sciences of Islam. There is only one inward science of Islam, and that is Tasawwuf. And there are many outward sciences, Fiqh, Aqidah, Usul, Hadith, Quran, Arabic, and these are further broken down to various studies, ie Hadith as isnad, and textual proofing, as well as commentary. Therefore, it appears that outward scholars are given precedence over inward scholars, although historically, there have been some scholars who tried to revive this in Islam, and bring back spirituality, and Imam Al Ghazali comes to mind, and his Ihya Ulum Ad Deen, Revival of Islamic Sciences. And many renewers have truly tried to revive this spiritual aspects of Islam, but it seems like time and time again, the outward sciences seem to prevail.
Did you make a particular effort to study only outward sciences? Or inward ones?

Imam Malik said something really interesting–at least, I’ve read this attributed to Imam Malik. He said that learning Tasawwuf (inward sciences) without learning Knowledge (outward sciences fiqh, shari’ah, etc) is the way to heresy, and that learning Knowledge without the inward sciences is the way to corruption, but that you have to study both to find the truth and the reality of Islam.

But the Prophet Muhammad (saaws) gave some advice: he said to take food from the part of the plate that is closest to you. The plate will turn, and you can get to the other side later. But this applies to knowledge–we should only try to learn what we can grasp, and what we are prepared for.

As someone who converted to Islam from Christianity, I see spirituality in Islam that I couldn’t even begin to imagine as a Christian. And I do see places where, in Islam, people have diverged from spiritual and tended towards legal traditions. But I really see that spirituality is there, in Islam, with purpose, and with knowledge.
 
Salaam/peace;
I can say with 100% certainty that not all Muslims are “Muslims”.
surely this world would have become like paradise if all Muslims were real Muslims.
With the treat of death why would anyone say they are leaving Islam?
In my country , many Muslims, hindus , Buddish became Christans because from the Churches they get money , free education for kids , free medical treatment etc.

Some young men became Christan because it’s easy to get UK / US for them if they are Christans etc.
I have told NO ONE I have left Islam.
huh…missed a chance to be famous . Just tell the Press Muslims are threatning u & u will find the whole world beside u .
 
In my country , many Muslims, hindus , Buddish became Christans because from the Churches they get money , free education for kids , free medical treatment etc.
I don’t know which is ur country.But people convert to christianity because they love jesus.I am also a converted christian from islam not for money etc,but just for my love to jesus,no church offered me money or free treatment.
 
Salaam/peace;

tsk tsk tsk …what about 2 other dieties …father & holy Spirit ?

Remeber , bible tells u blasphemy against the holy spirit won’t be forgiven .
all this 3 person is one God.Jesus also said in gospels that I&father we are same.ok?so i wanted to say that i only believe in holy trinity the 1 true Lord.But as a new christian i can’t explain it though i understand it.
 
Salaam/peace;
all this 3 person is one God.Jesus also said in gospels that I&father we are same.ok?so i wanted to say that i only believe in holy trinity the 1 true Lord.But as a new christian i can’t explain it though i understand it.
so Christans call father as Jesus (p) ?

u understand Trinity …really ? Then it’s not considered as a mystery anymore ?
 
Salaam/peace;

tsk tsk tsk …what about 2 other dieties …father & holy Spirit ?

Remeber , bible tells u blasphemy against the holy spirit won’t be forgiven .
There is only ONE deity in Christianity. The things you claim are faulty and twisted form of the Trinitiarian doctrine taught you in your Koran and are definitely alien to our scripture and faith.
 
Salaam/peace;

so Christans call father as Jesus (p) ?

u understand Trinity …really ? Then it’s not considered as a mystery anymore ?
We understand the mystery of the Trinity by heart whereas your messenger and his scribes tried to do the same thing by their limited human knowledge, as a result of which they failed to get even the persons of the Christian Trinity right.
 
so Christans call father as Jesus (p) ?
I never said that jesus is holy father.btw,read some of our post(i don’t want to repeat all posts).we show some historical&scientific error in koran.about christianit ask christian friends and also ask brother angelos.He became christian from islam 14 years ago,but I am new.and as an ex muslim i can discuss about islam anytime but not in this thread.
 
There is only ONE deity in Christianity. The things you claim are faulty and twisted form of the Trinitiarian doctrine taught you in your Koran and are definitely alien to our scripture and faith.
She hasn’t claimed anything that is faulty or twisted. Moreover, the Qur’an does not teach Trinitarian doctrine.

But I think her take on it is pretty amusing at least. Reminds me of how confounding the whole business is to begin with. 😛
 
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