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Angelos
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I shall take your adviceDon’t roll your eyes everytime. With Aaronjo and Platen so much rolling will have them fall out.
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Isa_Almisry
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**Why would God take a human form. Just for the church? If God takes the human form… That is a big IF there. Then having dual or triple personality for Jesus is the very basic flaw in church teachings. That violates all norms.
Just because people think that God can do anything, they try to do it themselves for God.They do not know whether God would like to do that thing. That is another fault in church thinking.
We Muslims believe that Allah can do whatever He likes, whatever He wishes.**
Except come down and save us and make His life our own.
With all this switching around, I don’t think it is the Lord with the multiple personality.
Explain to us the union of soul, spirit and body, Planten.
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Isa_Almisry
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So what’s your beef about the Gospel saying the devil tempted Christ, as it shows Christ defeated him every time?
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Isa_Almisry
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We’ll gladly leave your god alone.
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Isa_Almisry
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It comes from standing your house on sand, rather than rock.You are changing your stand now. LOL Something I always expect from you
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beautiful304
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“And when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): **‘O ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?’ **He will say: ‘Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours. You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen."
[Qur’an 5:116]
I don’t see a problem with the Muslim interpretation of this verse about it not referring to the Trinity. Muslims don’t believe Mary is part of the Trinity. Muslims see our veneration of Mary as worship. Since they don’t believe Jesus is God, they are saying we worship Jesus and Mary as two gods besides Allah.
[Qur’an 5:116]
I don’t see a problem with the Muslim interpretation of this verse about it not referring to the Trinity. Muslims don’t believe Mary is part of the Trinity. Muslims see our veneration of Mary as worship. Since they don’t believe Jesus is God, they are saying we worship Jesus and Mary as two gods besides Allah.
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TriuneUnity
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This alone would disprove the Qu’ran as being revealed by a deity. If the Qu’ranic god were god, I think he would at least know Christian doctrine better than that.
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beautiful304
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Believers in Islam would not say that Allah is ignorant of Christian doctrine. People can be knowledgeable about something believed and not agree with it.
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TriuneUnity
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But it is my contention that they are not knowledgable about it.
Firstly, the Qu’ran claims that Christians have inserted Mary as part of the Trinity (leaving out the Holy Spirit). Secondly, the Qu’ran contends that Christians believe that Jesus is the carnal Son of God. Neither of these has ever been a part of orthodox Christianity.
Clearly, the god of Islam knows nothing of what Christianity teaches. The reason? Muhammad knew nothing of authentic Christian doctrine, but picked up his knowledge of the faith from Arians and gnostics, largely. This would demonstrate that Muhammad and not “allah” is the author of the Qu’ran.
One would expect a god to at least know what the Nicene Creed says, right?
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Isa_Almisry
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And Jesus, Mary and Allah make how many “Gods?”
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Isa_Almisry
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The Quran also claims the Jews believe Ezrah is the Son of God. The Jews have no idea what it is talking about.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
If u ask / pray to someone else except God , it’s called shirk/ blasphemy , punishment is eternal hell fire.
So , God warned people not to take any diety except / besides Him only.
this has been answered already. That verse does not have the word Trinity . It simply stated what some / many Christians did the wrong thing by worhipping Mary (p). Making staute of her , kneeling in front of her …these are prohibited regarding all the major holy books.
If u ask / pray to someone else except God , it’s called shirk/ blasphemy , punishment is eternal hell fire.
So , God warned people not to take any diety except / besides Him only.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
Prophet Muhammed (p) had a dialogue with Jewish leaders. He asked them why they consider Ezra as son of God.
Ans was like that when Jews lost their holy book , it was Prophet Ezra (p) who recited the whole book from memory .
Thus Jews were able to get their holy book back . So , out of respect & thinking that he must be son of God , otherwise how could he knew the whole book , they gave him the title ’ son of God.
Then Prophet Muhammed (p) asked , if just recalling the holy book from memory can make a human being son of God , then what should be the status of Prophet Musa/ Moses (p) on whom the whole book was revealed ?
Why Jews don’t think of Moses (p) also as son of God or more than that as surely he is more honorable to receive the book from God. Jews had no answer of that .
The Jews call Ezra/ `Uzair a son of Allah,
and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah.
That is the saying from their mouth; (In this) they are intimate; what the Unbelievers of the old used to say.
Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth.
[Qur’an 9:30]
Good to know that present days Jews are not committing the same mistake Jews in the past did .
Prophet Muhammed (p) had a dialogue with Jewish leaders. He asked them why they consider Ezra as son of God.
Ans was like that when Jews lost their holy book , it was Prophet Ezra (p) who recited the whole book from memory .
Thus Jews were able to get their holy book back . So , out of respect & thinking that he must be son of God , otherwise how could he knew the whole book , they gave him the title ’ son of God.
Then Prophet Muhammed (p) asked , if just recalling the holy book from memory can make a human being son of God , then what should be the status of Prophet Musa/ Moses (p) on whom the whole book was revealed ?
Why Jews don’t think of Moses (p) also as son of God or more than that as surely he is more honorable to receive the book from God. Jews had no answer of that .
The Jews call Ezra/ `Uzair a son of Allah,
and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah.
That is the saying from their mouth; (In this) they are intimate; what the Unbelievers of the old used to say.
Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth.
[Qur’an 9:30]
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Isa_Almisry
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Then pray tell, what does the Quran teach is the Holy Trinity?
Can you cite a Muslim scholar from before 1800 who so interprets this verse?
And what about the Jews. None of them ever call Ezra the Son of God.
Then I have seen lots of shirk by Muslims in the Muslim world.
Including prayers to the Virgin Mary.
We only have the One True God.
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Isa_Almisry
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As your verse shows, there is a parrallel set between the Christians calling Christ the Son of God and the Jews calling Ezra the Son of God.
We call Christ the Son of God. It is in the NT. All the saints proclaim it. It is in our Creed, our prayers, our services, etc.
The Jews do not nor ever had called Ezra the Son of God. It is not in the OT, not in Esdras, not in their services, not in their Creed, not in their Talmud, not in their writings. No where.
Except in Muslim imagination. That’s slander.
Unless you can produce a JEWISH source that says Ezra is the Son of God (as can easily been done for the Christians saying Jesus is the Son of God), I would ask you not to repeat it.
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TriuneUnity
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5:116 does not use the word Trinity. 5:73-75, depending on the translation, however, does. It is clear from the context that this Surah shows the Qu’ran to be stating that the Trinity is the two gods besides allah…Jesus and Mary.
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aaronjo
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I was too little bit curious as to see what the Koran of Moslems really say, as I don’t trust what you polytheist Christians claim or say about Jews or Moslems, after seeing how badly you misused our Holy Torah to justify your unjustfiable matters.
Now, would you mind where does the Koran of Moslems claims that: **that Christians have inserted Mary as part of the Trinity (leaving out the Holy Spirit). **
[and] contends that Christians believe that Jesus is the carnal Son of God.?
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
may Allah show them the right path , Ameen.
U mean , Muslims make statue of Mother Mary (p) & bow down in front of her statue & pray to her ? Pl. give more info. If they really do it , it’s the most major sin .
may Allah show them the right path , Ameen.
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Isa_Almisry
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I’ve been to many Marian and other shrines in Egypt and elsewhere, where pilgrims leave placques in thanksgiving for prayers answered. From the names (there aren’t many Christians named Muhammad
) you can tell their religion is not the Church. I could go on, but I don’t think it necessary.
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TriuneUnity
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5: 73-75: They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve. Will they not rather turn unto Allah and seek forgiveness of Him? For Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how we make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!
Surah 4:171: Believe, then, in God and His apostles, and do not say, “[God is] a trinity”. Desist [from this assertion] for your own good. God is but One God; utterly remote is He, in His glory, from having a son: unto Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and none is as worthy of trust as God.
Now, how do you respond to the Qu’ranic charge that you, as a Jew, believe Ezra to have been the son of god?
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