Muslim converts to Christianity

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Angelos said:
Your pagan prophet also contends that Christians take their monks and priests as Lords beside Allah. However, Issa in the Koran forgets to denounce this and supposedly condemns Christians only for worshipping His mother and Him beside Allah. LOL

Many verses in the Koran clearly show that your pagan prophet’s scribes misunderstood the Christian Trinity or deliberately misrepresented it.

First, Surah 5 introduces the number of Christian deities as three and names them Allah, Maryam, and Issa. Why three if the Koran does not refer to the Trinity in this context?

Second, the following verses in the Koran criticise the Trinitarian doctrine by contending that Issa was considered the THIRD of the THREE:

Surah 5:73-75

They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no God save the One God. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve. Will they not rather turn unto Allah and seek forgiveness of Him ? For Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!

**Who is the second person of the Christian Trinity if the third one is Issa? Why do the authors of the Koran always insert Mary’s name next to that of Issa’s whenever they supposedly refer to the Christian trinity? **

Finally, why doesn’t the Koran criticise Christians for worshipping the Holy Spirit beside Allah? Why does it not clearly state that the Holy Spirit is angel Gabriel and that Christians mistakenly worship angel Gabriel in God’s place?
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**** The second person according to old time christians may be Mary, the mother. And according to the present christians it is definitely the holy ghost.****
 
planten said:
**** The second person according to old time christians may be Mary, the mother. And according to the present christians it is definitely the holy ghost.****
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Sorry, planten. Unlike you, we have plenty of documents from the time of our final revelation, both of Orthodox and the heretic. None thought the Virgin was the Third Person (the Son is the Second Person, btw), unless you can produce any documentation othewise.
 
planten said:
**** The second person according to old time christians may be Mary, the mother. And according to the present christians it is definitely the holy ghost.****
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Where is your evidence for that?

BTW, we Christians believe that the Holy Spirit is the THIRD person of the Trinity, NOT second 😉
 
Angelos said:
Where is your evidence for that?

BTW, we Christians believe that the Holy Spirit is the THIRD person of the Trinity, NOT second 😉
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He is just obeying the Quran in not saying God is the Third of Three. LOL.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
LOL. Doesn’t that contradict the Quranic (and Biblical, yes we actually have some things in common) idea that a soul bear its own burden (i.e. sins)?
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There is another verse in the Koran that betrays this Islamic tenet:

Surah 29:12-13
Those who disbelieve say unto those who believe: Follow our way (of religion) and we verily will bear your sins (for you). They cannot bear aught of their sins. Lo! they verily are liars. But they verily will bear their own loads and other loads beside their own, and they verily will be questioned on the Day of Resurrection concerning that which they invented.
 
Angelos said:
There is another verse in the Koran that betrays this Islamic tenet:

Surah 29:12-13
Those who disbelieve say unto those who believe: Follow our way (of religion) and we verily will bear your sins (for you). They cannot bear aught of their sins. Lo! they verily are liars. But they verily will bear their own loads and other loads beside their own, and they verily will be questioned on the Day of Resurrection concerning that which they invented.
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I stand corrected.

Now if only the Quran could do the same.
 
Isa_Almisry said:
There you go again.

Confusing them with the facts.
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**Ya Isa, you are supporting a wrong man, a fake person who is telling lies openly, boldly. He is calling the prophet of Islam as a pagan. That is the height of ignorance. And then he at times complains that Muslims do not respect jesus. Well that is another lie. The Muslims respect Jesus. But they will not respect angelos. So Ya Isa, you should not support a wrong person. You know he is writing all wrong things.

If there was some doubt then it may be allowed. But he is totally wrong. Next he would call Abraham a pagan and Jesus as a pagan too.**
 
planten said:
**Ya Isa, you are supporting a wrong man, a fake person who is telling lies openly, boldly. He is calling the prophet of Islam as a pagan. That is the height of ignorance. And then he at times complains that Muslims do not respect jesus. Well that is another lie. The Muslims respect Jesus. But they will not respect angelos. So Ya Isa, you should not support a wrong person. You know he is writing all wrong things.

If there was some doubt then it may be allowed. But he is totally wrong. Next he would call Abraham a pagan and Jesus as a pagan too.**
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No I don’t think Angelos will ever call Abraham a Pagan nor would he Call Jesus a Pagan.

I think what Angelos is doing is saying that Jesus warned of false prophets. He sees Mohammad as a false prophet. The reason is that Jesus said and the Apostles taught that Anti-Christs would arise who denied the deity of Jesus. Mohammad did that.
 
Angelos said:
Where is your evidence for that?

BTW, we Christians believe that the Holy Spirit is the THIRD person of the Trinity, NOT second 😉
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**The second was asked in the question. Go back and read the question. Have it your way. You have got a few gods. So give them second or third place as you like. **
 
planten said:
**The second was asked in the question. Go back and read the question. Have it your way. You have got a few gods. So give them second or third place as you like. **
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Actually this has been explained to you before you just refuse to listen. We have one God. The trinity is God the Father, God the Son, And God the Holy Spirit. They are three in one.

Secondly the fallen angel that told Mohammad what to write, would clearly want to make sure that it was taught that Jesus was not the son of God but merely a mortal man a “good” man but not who he truly was.
 
This was an interesting interview with the Leader of Hamas’ son. Its an article and a video interview. He was a very devout and radical Muslim and recently converted to Christianity. He had to leave Palestine and now lives in the United States. Enjoy.

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402483,00.html
 
planten said:
**The second was asked in the question. Go back and read the question. Have it your way. You have got a few gods. So give them second or third place as you like. **
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Calm down, dear planten. The angrier you get, the more mistakes you make. 😃
 
planten said:
**Ya Isa, you are supporting a wrong man, a fake person who is telling lies openly, boldly. He is calling the prophet of Islam as a pagan. That is the height of ignorance. And then he at times complains that Muslims do not respect jesus. Well that is another lie. The Muslims respect Jesus. But they will not respect angelos. So Ya Isa, you should not support a wrong person. You know he is writing all wrong things.

If there was some doubt then it may be allowed. But he is totally wrong. Next he would call Abraham a pagan and Jesus as a pagan too.**
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Go and tell Muslims not to read the Koran because it also agrees with me that Mohammad was an illiterate pagan.
 
TriuneUnity said:
This alone would disprove the Qu’ran as being revealed by a deity. If the Qu’ranic god were god, I think he would at least know Christian doctrine better than that.
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That is your belief. Muslims believe that Allah has it right, that our veneration of Mary is classified as worshipping an idol.
 
beautiful304 said:
That is your belief. Muslims believe that Allah has it right, that our veneration of Mary is classified as worshipping an idol.
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No; they think she is part of the Christian Trinity. That is a false representation of what Christians have always held to. If that is the case, then allah needs to recheck history. Odd thing for a supposed god to have to do, no?
 
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