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Let’s agree to disagree.
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****That is what angelos thinks. That cannot be right. Jesus never said anything about Muhamamd that he will corrupt his religion. Please show me where did Jesus teach that " Anti-Christs would arise who denied the deity of Jesus." Is it any where in the bible in those words. But you are assuming it. Where is diety of Jesus in the bible?
Jesus never even preached any diety for himself. You have all made it up. And that is the Anti-Christ. Something which Jesus did not preach, and he was never worshipped nor did he tell any one to worship him. But church has made a god out of him.
That is the Anti-Christ. Islam or Muhammad is not any Anti-Christ. We can recognise the Anti-Christ and we Muslims invite you all to come back to Jesus. That is the Unitarian faith. Not the Trinitarian faith. If Jesus mentioned a father for some reason (love) and considered himself as a humble son of the father, you people made him a god alongside the father.
If Jesus mentioned the holy spirit, then you people made the holy spirit a part of the god. Jesus did not want you to do that. You should have known the serious teaching about monotheism written in the OT. That was a very important teaching for all the world, specially for the followers of Jesus.
You people not only made a god out of a mere man (jesus) but also accepted the words or ideas of his followers as the words of God. The bible is full of those men’s words. The words of Jesus can be the words of God. But not the words of other men.
I hope you understand. Please come back to Jesus. The mission of Jesus was the same as that of Abraham, Issac, jacob, Moses and Muhammad.****
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Angelos should not call Muhammad a pagan. If Jesus warned about the false prophets, that is good and you people should have been aware of that. But you all forgot the message of Jesus long before Muhammad arrived. The teachings of Jesus had been fully spoiled before Muhammad arrived.
The sacred law of Moses which was given by God for the Jews and which was practiced by Jesus and all disciples had been fully abondoned before Muhammad arrived.
Tell me who did that? Then you people had started making excuses that Jesus had come only to FULFIL the law. And tried to twist the meanings of things by the use of special words which you added into the bible yourself. How can Jesus fulfil the law. Can he fulfil by abondoning the law? I am sure that church is wrong about the best teachings of Jesus on many counts.
Jesus warned about false prophets who would come in his name. Did MUhammad come in the name of Jesus or in the name of Allah? Allah put His words in the mouth of Muhammad by the agency of an angel. But you deny it.
Jesus told about the coming of false prophets. But did he say that every one who will come after him will be false. No. Never he said that. So the door was open for a true prophet also. The chuch should have been careful about the false prophets. But should not have been heedless about the true prophets. If many messengers (many) can come after Moses a.s. and Jesus was also one of them, the last one in the line of Israeli prophets, and both Moses and Jesus prophesied about some one to come after them (Deut ch.18 and John ch.16 or 17) then it means that the divine scheme had not come to an end with Jesus.Please understand.
Jesus warned about false prophets who would come in his name. Did MUhammad come in the name of Jesus or in the name of Allah?**
Angelos should not call Muhammad a pagan. If Jesus warned about the false prophets, that is good and you people should have been aware of that. But you all forgot the message of Jesus long before Muhammad arrived. The teachings of Jesus had been fully spoiled before Muhammad arrived.
The sacred law of Moses which was given by God for the Jews and which was practiced by Jesus and all disciples had been fully abondoned before Muhammad arrived.
Tell me who did that? Then you people had started making excuses that Jesus had come only to FULFIL the law. And tried to twist the meanings of things by the use of special words which you added into the bible yourself. How can Jesus fulfil the law. Can he fulfil by abondoning the law? I am sure that church is wrong about the best teachings of Jesus on many counts.
Jesus warned about false prophets who would come in his name. Did MUhammad come in the name of Jesus or in the name of Allah? Allah put His words in the mouth of Muhammad by the agency of an angel. But you deny it.
Jesus told about the coming of false prophets. But did he say that every one who will come after him will be false. No. Never he said that. So the door was open for a true prophet also. The chuch should have been careful about the false prophets. But should not have been heedless about the true prophets. If many messengers (many) can come after Moses a.s. and Jesus was also one of them, the last one in the line of Israeli prophets, and both Moses and Jesus prophesied about some one to come after them (Deut ch.18 and John ch.16 or 17) then it means that the divine scheme had not come to an end with Jesus.Please understand.
Jesus warned about false prophets who would come in his name. Did MUhammad come in the name of Jesus or in the name of Allah?**
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Since you havent read the bible yourself and need things point out to you for the MILLIONTH time, ill do it for you
Mat 7:15
15 'Beware of false prophets who come to you disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves.
16 You will be able to tell them by their fruits. Can people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
2 Peter 2:1
As there were false prophets in the past history of our people, so you too will have your false teachers, who will insinuate their own disruptive views and, by disowning the Lord who bought them freedom, will bring upon themselves speedy destruction.
2 Many will copy their debauched behaviour, and the Way of Truth will be brought into disrepute on their account.
3 In their greed they will try to make a profit out of you with untrue tales. But the judgement made upon them long ago is not idle, and the destruction awaiting them is for ever on the watch.
1 John 2:22-23 “Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.”
Did i make it clear for you now with the bible passages i just posted? Or are you still going to live like an ostrich and keep your head in the ground?
Now by quoting the bible and showing you YOUR mistakes, are you going to say i made it up now??
Your ideas are getting more and more funny planten, as i just pointed out, any so called ‘prophet’ that denies Jesus IS the anti christ, therefore, Muhammad denied Jesus which makes him an anti christ.
Again, you are making Jesus a separate God, you show me where in the bible there is more than one supreme God? You cant because there is NOWHERE in the bible that says there is more than one God. We have explain so many times the trinity now, its mind numbing. Your accusations and claims of Christianity are amusing to say the least, you cant even understand your own religion.
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Again, you fail to understand the trinity. I think with all the explanations we have given you a 5 year old would understand it.
You tell us not to insult Muhammad, so im telling you this, do NOT and i repeat DO NOT come on here and call Jesus a mere man again. That is the ultimate insult to Jesus.
We never left Jesus for some anti christ called Muhammed. We follow and love Jesus more than you will ever understand.
Do not put Muhammad in the same catagory as Abraham, Issac, Jacob and Moses, they are true prophets, Muhammad is a FALSE prophet.
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Angelos is following Orthodox teaching, and not the Quran’s mistakes.
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Isa_Almisry
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You walked right into that one Platen.
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Isa_Almisry
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yes, pure coincidence.
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Angelos
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This is what planten thinks. That cannot be right
Show me in the New Testament where Jesus said His Gospel would be corrupted by Paul and His true message would be restored by a man of pagan origin.
This is what planten thinks. This cannot be right
Read the New Testament to see that Jesus identified Himself as the only Son of the Father.
More, Allah never spoke to me to confirm Mohammad’s prophetic ministry. Mohammad made it up himself and fabricated a book to support his wishful thinking. LOL
This is what planten thinks. That cannot be right
The Koran is the product of several men, who made many mistakes to incur disgrace and shame for Mohammad LOL
We have the true Jesus in His own Gospel. This is why we shall never follow Jesus’ twisted and false image in the Koran. Issa of the Koran did not exist prior to Mohammad’s fantasies. LOL
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Angelos
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This is behind the point. The Koran always talks of Mary and Jesus in the same context as it denounces the Christian Trinity. I shall not buy the argument that this is a miraculous coincidence.
Besides, where does the Koran refer to the genuine Christian Trinity? Where does it condemn Christians for worshipping the Triune God as it is stated in the NT (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit)???
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LOL You are still praising Mohammad at the expense of Jesus! Claiming that Jesus’ message was spoiled before Mohammad is equal to abusing and degrading Jesus as an inept messenger. You abuse our Lord so overtly, and you call me names when I point out this fact. Hypocrisy is a sin.
ROTFL! Your Koran denies this assertion since it says Jesus came with a new revelation to change certain precepts of the Mosaic Law.
Have you ever read the Koran?
Why did your leader of pagan origin abandon the Mosaic Law and the Gospel??? Why did he fabricate a new law?
Mohammad only claimed that Allah had put his words into his mouth by the agency of an angel, which was definitely a false claim. Mohammad came in his own name, and was therefore a false prophet.
Jesus made it clear that ALL the true prophets after Him would be sent BY HIM and would testify to His Gospel.
Mohammad cannot be a true prophet because he was not sent by Jesus, and he rejected the message in Jesus’ Gospel.
Could you please show me where Moses and Jesus prophesied the coming of a non-Israelite prophet in the Bible? Mohammad cannot be the promised prophet in Deuteronomy because he was not Jewish (of pagan origin!) and not an Israelite. Mohammad cannot be the promised comforter in John because he was not the Holy Spirit, who came on the day of Pentecost (centuries before Mohammad’s birth!).
Mohammad came in the name of neither. he came in his own name to distort Jesus’ Gospel and teachings. Consequently, he was a false prophet.
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no the Quran is not talking about the veneration of Mary.After all the quran calls her a sign to humanity, and that Allah allows the intercession of whom he wills. The Quran is refuting the divinity of Mary by saying she was a human who used to eat food.
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planten
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I am not angry at all. I rather enjoy your musical anecdotes.Calm down, dear planten. The angrier you get, the more mistakes you make.
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Angelos
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Pleased to hear that, my friend. I know you like me and my posts a lot. Thanks!
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KenEOTE
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Well done Isa, now I don’t have to respond.
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dolphinlove
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Any response to this, dear planten:
1 John 2:22-23 "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also."
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** Thanks D i L, Your response is appropriate. But there are two of them, the father and the son. They are two. John is teaching. From where? From his mind. Not from God or Jesus.
I believe in Jesus. But I do not know about christ because that is some Greek stuff. I do not trust the Greek pagan mythology.
I believe Jesus was masih. That is good enough. Jesus is Masih and he was the son of a woman.**
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How come then you claim that Koran is from God? It is just the teaching of Muhammad. From where? From his mind. Not from God. Period.
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