Muslim converts to Christianity

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planten said:
Thanks you have given detailed reply. But it is not easy to understand it. In one way, you say there is no punishment. On other hand you have given some news for punishment for apostacy, i.e. banisment etc. ex-communication etc.

So what I am to believe in simple terms, what is the right final word about the apostate as per church teaching.

Your question can easily be answered.
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If it can be easily answered why haven’t you answered it?
 
planten said:
Because your friend has not given a final answer yet.
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You have shown your character plenty Mr. Platen. He asked you his question days ago. You refused to answer. He gave you an aswer, yet you still wont give yours, because you are not satisfied with his answer. You remind me of a child who is asked to do something and refuses unless you do something first… then they are still not happy when it is doen cause it wasn’t done the way they wanted. It is interesting cause you are doing exactly what the Muslim terrorists do when we negotiate for hostages they always find a reason to kill the hostage anyway and never live up to their end of the deal.

All he wants to know is what you believe about it, yet either you do not know what you are taught or you are afraid of how it will make you look if you answer.
 
planten said:
Thanks you have given detailed reply. But it is not easy to understand it. In one way, you say there is no punishment. On other hand you have given some news for punishment for apostacy, i.e. banisment etc. ex-communication etc.

So what I am to believe in simple terms, what is the right final word about the apostate as per church teaching.

Your question can easily be answered.
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The penalty is excommunication.

You?
 
planten said:
It was told to you that this is not the proper place to discuss this matter. Perhaps you can tell if there is any punishment for apostacy in church system. That will be more useful to us. I bet you do not have anything.
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Why isn’t this thread the “proper place to discuss this matter”? It’s my thread anyways. So go ahead, answer the question. No worries.👍

PS: Please don’t try to dodge the questions either. It’s not very gentlemanly.
 
cathopologist said:
Why isn’t this thread the “proper place to discuss this matter”? It’s my thread anyways. So go ahead, answer the question. No worries.👍

Please don’t try to dodge the questions either. It’s not very gentlemanly.
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Because he obviously doesn’t want to answer it, He is afraid for some reason… I wonder what it could be…
 
KenEOTE said:
Because he obviously doesn’t want to answer it, He is afraid for some reason… I wonder what it could be…
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planten afraid? Why should he? After all, Islam is the religion of peace and has no fear of revealing the truth to the world.:angel1:
 
cathopologist said:
planten afraid? Why should he? After all, Islam is the religion of peace and has no fear of revealing the truth to the world.:angel1:
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Yes I have witnessed the truth of Islam and its peace. We are remembering it today on September 11 here in Washington D.C.
 
Americanrevert said:
**Hello,

I have seen him on TV one time and man, he has his own daleels. (no wonder he is Islam’s enemy #1) I wouldn’t trust him with a ten foot pole! He interprets things the way HE SEES THEM…not the way Allah taught it to His Last Messenger (sws).

See, his problem stems from lack of knowledge of ahadith, tafsir of Quran and also the Arabi language.

**

He cites all his sources, he quotes them accurately. And his Arabic is excellent. I note the similiarly between his speaking style and that of any number of tele-imams in the Arab world.
Not necessarily everyone who speaks Arabi understands the correct FussHa meaning.
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planten said:
I heard him once. He was a horible, unreasonable person. Words without logic and sense have no meaning. He may be a fire bird or fire brand. But that is no use in religion and spiritualism.
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And, judging from your posts, are quite an expert of all of the above.
 
inJESUS said:
if this is the level of your arguments, then i invite you **now **to come to Lebanon, during ramadan, to see full-house pubs of Saudis, Kuwaitis, Abu Dhabi, and all kind of Imarati men and (and some women) not only not fasting but drinking like hell…you can check what girls are doing in SA, sleeping with taxi drivers and fleeing their homes or walking naked under the black sheet on them…you can see the unimaginable number of homosexual Imarati and Saudi men and women…welcome to the real world of satisfied Muslims.
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I always noticed the difference between the Copts (which I am not) and the Muslim Egyptians I’ve seen in the West: the Copts basically act like they do in Egypt. The Muslims, i.e. single and male, go hog wild in satisfying themselves in the West. Didn’t the 9/11 group go to have lap dances?
 
planten said:
It was told to you that this is not the proper place to discuss this matter. Perhaps you can tell if there is any punishment for apostacy in church system. That will be more useful to us. I bet you do not have anything.
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Excommunication. But I would expect that an apostate wouldn’t come to Church anyway. We won’t hunt him down.
 
scipio337 said:
I was told? Where would be the proper place to discuss the matter? What better than a forum about Christian converts?

Why don’t you want to discuss this???

And no, there is no punishment in the “Church System”.

Its mentioned in the Second Epistle to the Thessalonians, Jude and Titus 3:10, but no punishment is prescribed, just that the apostate should be “rejected after the first and second admonition.”.

Christ didn’t call for punishment of his former followers in John 6:66.

The punishment according to Canon Law is a latae sententiae excommunication.

Cann. 1364

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P52.HTM

Cann. 1336 also lists:

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P4Y.HTM

**There. Now that I’ve answered your question, will you now answer mine? **

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I’ll add
Luke 9:51 Now it came to pass, when the time had come for Him to be received up, that He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem, 52 and sent messengers before His face. And as they went, they entered a village of the Samaritans, to prepare for Him. 53 But they did not receive Him, because His face was set for the journey to Jerusalem. 54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”[e]
55 But He turned and rebuked them,[f] and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.

Why not answer on a thread about Muslim converts to Christianity? Shouldn’t they know what to expect?
 
planten said:
Please read bible OT for the violence. That is the book of your ancestors. Once you have seen the real violence and killing there then you may come back to look for violence in Quran.

Why you go far to Quran when violence is very near you in your own book ( combined bible).
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Aren’t you the one claiming that we don’t follow the OT?

Can we make up our mind?😛
 
planten said:
Thanks you have given detailed reply. But it is not easy to understand it. In one way, you say there is no punishment. On other hand you have given some news for punishment for apostacy, i.e. banisment etc. ex-communication etc.

So what I am to believe in simple terms, what is the right final word about the apostate as per church teaching.

Your question can easily be answered.
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And it has been.

Quit evading.
 
scipio337 said:
:confused:

Still hoping for an answer.
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** I told that answer will be given and part of answer is well known to you already that is why you are posing this question. But you have not given me any clear answer about your apostates. You have given plus and minus answer. Please be clear.**
 
planten said:
** I told that answer will be given and part of answer is well known to you already that is why you are posing this question. But you have not given me any clear answer about your apostates. You have given plus and minus answer. Please be clear.**
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Platen how come you are the only one who is unable to read? He stated as did many others very clearly and here it is again: excommunication.

I personally do not know what Muslims do to apostates so how about you tell me? I am guessing from your unwillingness to explain that it must be something horrible.

In my opinion you must be embarrassed or ashamed of what the Muslim teaching is towards apostates if you are unwilling to share. Do you only answer questions after someone answers your question that you pose after they have asked you something? As I said you have shown your character, and subsequently tainted any post I will read of yours from here on. At least I feel some of the Muslims who post on here are sincere and honest, you sir are neither in my opinion.

I will just assume that apostates of Islam are dragged from their homes and beheaded in the public squares, since no Muslim seems to want to answer what is to be done with them.
 
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