I KNOW what that verse means. LOL I simply applied to the Koran the irrational and unfair technique you repetitively apply to our faith.
This is utter heresy and complete disrespect for Jesus - to whom Christian witness and teachings is God Incarnate.
You had better understand the context of the posts I write to the American revert before abruptly getting involved in the debate between the two of us.
Where is this stated in the Koran? Why do you make Jesus wait for death until His second coming?
The question WHY God let Jews kill His messengers until Jesus’ era remains the same.
I know what my scripture says, do not worry.
Read and see why I wrote that as a response to the so-called American revert
** May I add that there is no punishment of ex-communication for apostates in Islam. Because that is not needed. Apostate (Murtadd) is a person who leaves Islam of his own will. Nobody throws him out of the pale of Islam. He himself says that he is unhappy with Islam. He says that islam is a bad religion; it is untrue religion and that he does not want to be a part of it. So what use is there to excommunicate a person who has already said good-bye to us accusing us of falsehood !**
Soooo his wife won’t be divorced from him, as happens in Egypt, although neither wants to be divorced.
And I’m sure Salman Rushdie would be glad to hear this.
And what about the Companions? Right after Muhammad’s death they fought the Rida “Apostacy” Wars. Abu Bakr said that “if they gave the Prophet a sandal string, they will give it to me.” Don’t you call him al-Siddiq “the Righteous/Truthful”?
And of course Islam is the cure for this malady.
LOL! And you can “prove” the Quran was 100% factual? Actually we do know who wrote the Gospels–that’s why they’re called “The Gospel according to Saint [insert name] Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.” Matthew and John were Apostles, and Luke and Mark were written by disciples of Apostles under their authority–under the divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit, of course. Who said “Matthew” was not written by him? I said it was originally in Aramaic…Matthew wrote it in Aramaic, and it was translated to Greek during his lifetime. The Gospels record actual events that happened. The Apostles recorded and taught about actual events and teachings they received directly from Christ (God Incarnate) Himself and were guided by the Holy Spirit from making error…I also want to add that the Apostles’ message was accompanied by miracles in proof of its divine truth–can the same be said about Mohammed and his book? NO. I trust them a lot more than some man who CLAIMED he received a message from Gabriel in a cave (conveniently there were no witnesses to confirm whether this was true) and was probably hallucinating due to lack of water when he uttered the haphazard, nonsensical verses of the Quran.
People on this forum told you Jesus is not God? Were they Muslims? Jesus was calling out to God the Father while He was on the cross. We DO believe that there is but one God who is a Trinity of three persons–Father, Son, Holy Spirit–but of one essence. By the way, why does the Quran claim that Christians worship a Trinity of God, Jesus, and Mary? Christians have never had such a view…proof that the Quran is not divine.
Huh?? You really haven’t a clue, Americanrevert…I can’t even follow what you’re trying to say because you have a bunch of jumbled and confusing (your confusion, not mine) statements strung together.
Dying for someone else isn’t love? I think the heat in U.A.E. has gotten to your brain, Americanrevert…God willingly sacrificed His own life for our sins. Jesus said, “Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” And as Jesus had two natures–God and man–His human nature did indeed die on the cross.I always have heard, “God is Love” etc. etc. etc…but when I read the old testament,and then when I started thinkin about it…killin “His OWN son”…that isn’t love to me…and dyin for someone He can simply make again…doesn’t add up…to kill His son, yet Him being God as you claim…impossible…surely that does mean God died. I am not insulting…am just reasoning here…other’s claim I am insulting…BUT I AM NOT.
Allah has love for his believing servants…hmmm…would this include servants like Osama bin Ladin? Our God had love even for those who did not love Him first, that’s why He died on the cross. Jesus cried out on the cross, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” How has the Mohammedan God demonstrated his love, Americanrevert?Acutally, Allah is the Most Merciful, Most Beneficient. He forgives mankind like the foam of the sea…In Islam, it is said that Allah’s mercy on this earth is just 1% while on the Day of Judgment, it is 99%. The love Allah has for His believing servants we can’t even imagine.
No, it is quite obvious from everything you have said that you don’t know the difference.So, I do know the difference.
Thank you!
I was going to ask the same thing…I guess some people think that their false religion can look more credible if they use big font and italics.**angelos, your book, bible lacks many things which put you in much trouble. The bible does not tell what language Jesus was speaking. So that is the end of all you arguments. You don’t have any truth. When nothing is known about the original language of the bible, then the bible becomes words of men.SHALOM
I am not judging anyone, but only expressing my disgust with the Islamic fraud rampant in this kind of religious forums.
The more you give me extra information about yourself and your abilities, the more my doubt about your religious origin increases.
According to your previous comments, only Muslim Arabs can understand the Koran perfectly well. If you really are an American of Indian origin, whatever you teach about Islam and the Koran comes to naught. However, your posts rather than your supposed ethnic origin prove that you know almost nothing about Mohammad’s ideology.
Who told you that Jesus was given a scripture in Hebrew or who told you that Jesus’ disciples were commanded to write His Gospel in Hebrew/Aramaic? Your Koran is somehow silent on the language and form of the supposed Injeel given to Jesus. LOL
More, your Koran implies that Jesus was given a book in GREEK when it uses the Arabic transliteration of the GREEK word for Gospel (Evangelion!). Even Jesus’ name in the Koran is erroneously derived from GREEK. Your scripture somehow replaces the Arabic word YESUWA with the word ISSA, which is closer to the Greek version of the name (ISUS).
I do not remember copying/pasting any article from Jewish sites while criticising the Koran.
It is actually YOU who resorts to such an act. You, very much like a parrot, repeat the Islamic allegations about Christianity when you copy and paste some irrational suppositions from anti-Christian sites and present them as facts. You also forget to state your source LOL
Amazing how you say you have Jesus whilst you prove to know nothing about Christian doctrines related to atonement and salvation.
God was present as the One offering His Son as a sacrifice for the remission of the sins on the altar of Golgotha.
Nevertheless, I do not know where Mohammad’s god was when many Jewish prophets were killed in the hands of their enemies? Why didn’t Mohammad’s god fail to save those prophets? Why did he save only Issa from death and why did he HAVE TO do that through a deceptive miracle??? How can Mohammad’s god be RIGHTEOUS and HONEST when he brags about fooling Jews through an illusion???
Why did Mohammad’s god NEED Jews and Christians to corrupt their scripure? Why did Mohammad’s god NEED to send many messengers to mankind? Why did Mohammad’s god NEED to let Jews KILL so many of his prophets? Why did Mohammad’s god NEED to wait until Mohammad’s era to establish Islam on earth and preserve his word???
Should I go on?
The Koran says Mohammad’s god NEEDS Muslims to worship him:
Surah 51:56
I created the jinn and humankind **only that they might worship Me. **
Well if he (Jesus) can die once, why he cannot die again. The problem is that he did not die on the cross. That is a false notion of the church to lure people and appeal for the sacrifice of Jesus, for the sns of other sinners. That is all a irrational unbelievable story.
If Christians can believe Jesus (p) died in the past , then why can’t Muslim believe Jesus (p) will die in future ?
may God bless me with death before I do such blasphemy --everybody pl. say Amen , Amen , Amen.
Muslim Woman Muslims can believe whatever they want. No one is forcing you to believe anything. But I can believe that the sky is green and the grass is pink that doesn’t make it so.
So now Platen you want to Crucify Jesus a second time… saying it would be good for him? Hmm I though Muslims respected Jesus this sounds like you are mocking him and wishing him Harm… Which of course goes right in hand with what most people think about Muslims they are mean spirited and want to hurt others. Thank you for proving that point. The Peace and Love of Islam is so evident in your posts.
Planten, I definitely agree that Mohammad’s bible, which is apparently the false copy of the genuine Jewish and Christian holy scripture,
In any case, written 600 years after Jesus by unknown persons makes the whole Koran doubtful.
But it is being said that Mohammad’s bible (the Koran) was written by revelation. Revelation has no value compared to inspiration. Revelation is just an invented notion unknown to both Judaism and Christianity, and it is just a matter of lie, from inside of Mohammad, his own false teachings and wishful thinking.
With that incomplete and false copy of the Bible (the Koran), the worst Muslims could do was to cover up all the truth and slander the genuine Bible. That spoiled the complete Islamic show. The world did not need the distorted version of Jewish fables, pagan legends, apocryphal Gospels, Mohammad’s troublesome affairs with his many wives.The world needs the Word of God, which is the Bible.
Well, since Jesus died on the cross once and rose on the third day, He cannot die again as death has no dominion over Him. The problem is that Islam teaches the false presumption that Jesus did not die on the cross. This is a heretic tenet adopted by Mohammad from Gnosticism to make God a lying and deceitful deity concealing the truth from His believers. That is an irrational and unbeliavable story denied by history.
We Christians do not believe that Jesus did not die on the cross. We know the truth that Jesus rose from the death and ascended into heaven. Muslims deny this fact simply because they are jealous of Jesus’ power and because they cannot deny that Mohammad is no more alive.
Who was Jesus referrin to? Himself? Calling to himself to save himself? he was God in the flesh right?
Indeed He was God in the flesh. To understand this passage, you would need to understand the composition of the Trinity and other parts of Christian doctrine that I do not believe you understand or care to understand. I do not want to touch all that (not because I can’t, but because like I just wrote, I don’t believe you’ll really even read it or give it any creedence), but I will say that Jesus was NOT calling on Himself to save Himself! That is nonsensical, but even if I re-word it in my head so that I can pretend you understand the Trinity, my answer is still: Absolutely not! The Crucifixion was pre-destined to happen. He would never have asked His Father (nor anyone else) to save Him,
WRONG. The message of Jesus is written in the Bible, just not authored by Jesus as Muslims apparently demand in order for the book to be “authentic” or whatever.
This is not my claim. This is the reality of the texts. As surely as the Quran was written originally in Arabic, the texts which compose the Bible were originally written in Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek.
This is all irrelevant. The Vatican has a website, by the way (vatican.va/). I haven’t stumbled upon the “secrets” that you claim are there, but perhaps I gave someone somewhere the wrong secret handshake during the Sign of Peace. I am a new Catholic, after all!
No, because we orthodox Christians are NOT sola scriptura Protestants (as the denomination of Christianity you belonged to is, so I am not suprised that you don’t understand this), nor Biblical literalists. Before the Bible, there was the faith. The faith is why we HAVE the Bible, in the most literal sense (the Church compiled the Bible). So…no. Just no.
There, was it so hard for you to admit you disrespect Jesus? Christians already knew this ever since they first laid eyes on the Qur’an.
