Muslim converts to Christianity

[cathopologist]

If Christians can believe Jesus (p) died in the past , then why can’t Muslim believe Jesus (p) will die in future ?

Jesus died only once to save us from our sins. The Qur’an is nothing but a book filled with borrowed stories from the Judeo-Christian traditions and Islamic rites are similar to pagan rites. Mohammad taught you wrong. A religion cannot deny the possibility of a God Incarnate if that religion believes God is a powerful being, capable of doing anything. Islam limits God’s power.

may God bless me with death before I do such blasphemy --everybody pl. say Amen , Amen , Amen.

That is why many Christians were martyred when invading Muslim armies conquered, plundered and destroyed their lands. They refused to utter blasphemy. They refused to believe in Islam’s twisted tales of Our Lord. Peace Be Upon Them, who serve only Our Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[Angelos]

**sheesh

words are there but aren’t being understood. Isn’t that hard yall!

Who was Jesus referrin to? Himself? Calling to himself to save himself? he was God in the flesh right?**

Now I am convinced that you had never been a Christian.

Every genuine ex-Christian, especially one familiar with the notions of honesty and sincerity, would know that Jesus referred to His Father whenever He said G-d!

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But yall claim the message of Jesus *WAS NOT WRITTEN! ***aggh…make up yall’s minds! lol the language in which the Bible was written in 3 languages yall claim. Where are the original books? ya think Constantine had them? the Vatican(hush hush everthin is kept secret there forgot)? Earth? or wouldn’t it be better to say that what wasn’t preserved can not be proof of your existing belief? Logic is all it takes

americanrevert

The original Bible is with Jesus’ Church. If you think otherwise, it is your duty to prove your allegations and find the so-called original Bible of your fantasies. Why don’t you consult your Koran for this search?

 

[planten]

Salaam/peace

If Christians can believe Jesus (p) died in the past , then why can’t Muslim believe Jesus (p) will die in future ?

may God bless me with death before I do such blasphemy --everybody pl. say Amen , Amen , Amen.

Amen, Amen Amen, hundred times, Amen.

 

[Zlatan]

Muslims dont beleive jesus died on the cross because Islam was greatly influenced by Christian heresies namely Gnosticsm, Arianism and Nestorianism. Many of islam doctrines can be traced back directly to these heretical teachings.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

Muslims dont beleive jesus died on the cross because Islam was greatly influenced by Christian heresies namely Gnosticsm, Arianism and Nestorianism. …

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[NeedsFaith]

Muslims dont beleive jesus died on the cross because Islam was greatly influenced by Christian heresies namely Gnosticsm, Arianism and Nestorianism. Many of islam doctrines can be traced back directly to these heretical teachings.

Umm. R U sure?
Links please to your sources?

 

[planten]

**(name removed by moderator), I wish you had better sense. Muhammad was not educated. He claimed that God talked to him and sent him messages care of an angel. Muhammad left a book called Quran which is quite a big volume. Quran gives the right decision about the disputes between Jews and christians.

One has only to keep the Bible OT and Quran opened in front and read the chapter 12 of Quran about How the Jews happened to go into Egypt. Also see the same narratives in the OT. One will find the great beauty of the Quranic version, i.e. evidently superior version rvealed by allah. It is not a man made book.

We cannot discuss things with the christians who have disowned the bible NT as something produced by unknown writers. It was nothing from God or Jesus. angelos has told us that Jesus did not have any book. He did not give any book. So what is bible NT?**

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

ok . as the bro already pointed out Prophet (p) never went to any shcool. He did not how to read or write . Arabic Bible was not available at that time . It’s the God Almighty who taught him through angel Gabriel / Jibril (p).

How it’s possible that Muhammed (p) wrote Quran from Christians sources but did not teach about Trinity ; but also taught his followers to respect Jesus (p) as a blessed Prohet of God ? There is no chapter after his mom or wife or daughter’s name but there is a chapter on Mary (p) .

Don’t u know a Catholic was appointed to find out faults in Quran , then he wrote Bible , Quran & Science & was expelled from the Catholic Church ? Why u think a devoted Catholic wrote a book that went against his belief ? To my knowledge , he is still not a Muslim .

 

[Angelos]

(name removed by moderator), I wish you had better sense. Muhammad was not educated. He claimed that God talked to him and sent him messages care of an angel. Muhammad left a book called Quran which is quite a big volume. Quran gives the right decision about the disputes between Jews and christians.

Mohammad was probably an undereducated man, but he was not deaf or dumb. He could and did hear the religious debates of his time and met people who knew something about Judaism and Christianity. The Koran has many narratives that are plagiarised from apocryphal Gospels available at that time.

The Koran cannot give the right decision about the supposed disputes between Jews and Christians since it complicates the disputes through its innovated theories and faulty presumptions.

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One has only to keep the Bible OT and Quran opened in front and read the chapter 12 of Quran about How the Jews happened to go into Egypt. Also see the same narratives in the OT. One will find the great beauty of the Quranic version, i.e. evidently superior version rvealed by allah. It is not a man made book.**

Dear planten is still suffering from short memory. I have already analysed Surah 12 of your Koran and highlighted its textual problems and mistakes. According to the Islamic version of the story, Joseph is cast into prison although he is proven innocent by his master. More, the story has a few historical blunders concerning the Egyptian system of punishment. This Surah was devised by men who knew nothing about history for sure!

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We cannot discuss things with the christians who have disowned the bible NT as something produced by unknown writers. It was nothing from God or Jesus. angelos has told us that Jesus did not have any book. He did not give any book. So what is bible NT?**

The New Testament was written by Jesus’ disciples, who gave testimony about Him when inspired by God.

Jesus did not have a book revealed to Him by God since He did not need such a thing.

Your Mohammad fabricated a book and falsely attributed it to Allah only to make himself a prophet. The Koran testifies to the fact Mohammad made many mistakes in his teachings.

 

[planten]

**Very well angelos. At least you have again confirmed that Jesus had nothing to do with the bible NT. His followers / friends wrote his biography. That is what the four gospels are, the biography of a person named Jesus. What he did and what he said and what happened to him. Could that be sufficient for the guidance of mankind? Surely not.

Then four gospels are equal to one gospel because they all describe the same thing (nothing different) except a few matters of disagreement in them. So that bible which has nothing to do with Jesus is reduced to just one gospel.

The rest is all the writing of an enemy of Jesus which is more of his own philosophy and nothing sacred in that. There is very little from Jesus in the bible NT. There is more of Paul. And that is the opposite of what Jesus said and did.

So it is better to keep to the gospels only and not to look to any one else who did not spend even a day with Jesus.

angelos, you sy all sort of things about Quran. Why don’t you look towards the shortcomings of your bible NT which is now agreed by youthat it not from God. It is not from Jesus. It is from some men, It is not sacred. How could it be sacred when it is not from Jesus. You say it is not from Jesus.**

 

[cathopologist]

**Very well angelos. At least you have again confirmed that Jesus had nothing to do with the bible NT. **His followers / friends wrote his biography. That is what the four gospels are, the biography of a person named Jesus. What he did and what he said and what happened to him. Could that be sufficient for the guidance of mankind? Surely not.

Then four gospels are equal to one gospel because they all describe the same thing (nothing different) except a few matters of disagreement in them. So that bible which has nothing to do with Jesus is reduced to just one gospel.

The rest is all the writing of an enemy of Jesus which is more of his own philosophy and nothing sacred in that. There is very little from Jesus in the bible NT. There is more of Paul. And that is the opposite of what Jesus said and did.

So it is better to keep to the gospels only and not to look to any one else who did not spend even a day with Jesus.

angelos, you sy all sort of things about Quran. Why don’t you look towards the shortcomings of your bible NT which is now agreed by youthat it not from God. It is not from Jesus. It is from some men, It is not sacred. How could it be sacred when it is not from Jesus. You say it is not from Jesus.

planten, do you understand English at all? Would you like an Urdu interpreter to unscramble whatever you read from people who bother replying to your nonsensical posts?

Seriously. Who wrote the Bible you allegedly read from? Dan Brown?

 

[planten]

planten, do you understand English at all? Would you like an Urdu interpreter to unscramble whatever you read from people who bother replying to your nonsensical posts?

Seriously. Who wrote the Bible you allegedly read from? Dan Brown?

** I had the King James version. I do not know who wrote it. It is in English and every one can understand English. You cannot run away from the problems**.

 

[cathopologist]

** I had the King James version. I do not know who wrote it. It is in English and every one can understand English. You cannot run away from the problems**.

Oh yes, the King James version. The Tudors would be proud for creating total confusion. I am not afraid of the KJV or you, planten.

I do have a problem when you do not understand the simplest of words. I was just trying to figure out how to communicate with you in Urdu.

 

[Angelos]

**Very well angelos. At least you have again confirmed that Jesus had nothing to do with the bible NT. His followers / friends wrote his biography. That is what the four gospels are, the biography of a person named Jesus. What he did and what he said and what happened to him. Could that be sufficient for the guidance of mankind? Surely not.

Then four gospels are equal to one gospel because they all describe the same thing (nothing different) except a few matters of disagreement in them. So that bible which has nothing to do with Jesus is reduced to just one gospel.

The rest is all the writing of an enemy of Jesus which is more of his own philosophy and nothing sacred in that. There is very little from Jesus in the bible NT. There is more of Paul. And that is the opposite of what Jesus said and did.

So it is better to keep to the gospels only and not to look to any one else who did not spend even a day with Jesus.

angelos, you sy all sort of things about Quran. Why don’t you look towards the shortcomings of your bible NT which is now agreed by youthat it not from God. It is not from Jesus. It is from some men, It is not sacred. How could it be sacred when it is not from Jesus. You say it is not from Jesus.**

Although I have debunked your irrational and childish arguments for a 100 times and demonstrated the major problems of your Koran, you choose to ignore the truth and reiterate your rebutted allegations, making yourself equal to a dilapidated and broken record. Good luck to you with your wishful thinking and the fabricated book of a pagan prophet

 

[dolphinlove]

Although I have debunked your irrational and childish arguments for a 100 times and demonstrated the major problems of your Koran, you choose to ignore the truth and reiterate your rebutted allegations, making yourself equal to a dilapidated and broken record. Good luck to you with your wishful thinking and the fabricated book of a pagan prophet

A 100 times? Are you sure? I think i have lost count after 500 times!

 

[Angelos]

A 100 times? Are you sure? I think i have lost count after 500 times!

It seems that I captured this disease of forgetting figures from Planten’s posts.

 

[planten]

**Suppositions, Speculations, no use to any one. Your bible is as false as your deas about others books. Your religion is all un-natural to start with. I believe you do not care for Jesus. You are Paulian more than christian.

I recall that there is clear geneology of Jesus given in the bible saying that Joseph is the father of Jesus. Yet we don’t know for certain who is the father of Jesus and whose son is Jesus.

Some say Jesus is son of God. Some say Jesus is son of man. Some say Jesus is son of Joseph the carpentar. I say the most authentic thing that Jesus is a son of a woman. He is not son of God. he is son of a woman. There is no end to supposing and speculation.**

 

[Angelos]

Suppositions, Speculations, no use to any one. Your bible is as false as your deas about others books. Your religion is all un-natural to start with. I believe you do not care for Jesus. You are Paulian more than christian.

Since suppositions and speculations are of no use to anyone, you should stop repeating them and making yourself a fool.

Paul is Jesus’ apostle for sure. We believe in the New Testament rather than in the faulty accusations and allegations of a man who knows nothing about Christianity. (Planten and/or Mohammad, both names can be used interchangeably!)

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I recall that there is clear geneology of Jesus given in the bible saying that Joseph is the father of Jesus. Yet we don’t know for certain who is the father of Jesus and whose son is Jesus.**

Here I have just caught you telling another lie and slandering the New Testament. I am adding it to your list of previous LIES:

A new lie from Planten: Matthew says that Jesus is Joseph’s son.

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Some say Jesus is son of God. Some say Jesus is son of man. Some say Jesus is son of Joseph the carpentar. I say the most authentic thing that Jesus is a son of a woman. He is not son of God. he is son of a woman. There is no end to supposing and speculation.**

Jesus is BOTH the Son of God and the Son of Man. You absolutely know nothing about Christian tenets. Islamic ignorance at work!

Muslims do not know anything about Mohammad’s parents though. The Koran only testifies to the fact that Mohammad somehow hated them and strove to remove their memory from his life.

 

[Zlatan]

Muslims do not know anything about Mohammad’s parents though. The Koran only testifies to the fact that Mohammad somehow hated them and strove to remove their memory from his life.

I read somethign once that said that Mohammed’s family disowned him when his father died because they thought he was iligitimate. I read that his name before his prophethood was qthem meaning rottern food. I actually read an artivle by an islamic scholar claiming that. I also read elsewhere that mohammed as a youth might have been molested by family memebers. i dont know where they got that from but i wonder if you could shine any light on any of these subjects concerning mohammed’s early life and family?

 

[inJESUS]

I read somethign once that said that Mohammed’s family disowned him when his father died because they thought he was iligitimate.

actually there is Islamic literature hinting at Muhammad being illigetimate child , and if you read many things together and analyse the chronology and , you’ll realize that Muhammad’s father, Abdallah, died 4 years before Muhammad was born, which made some Muslims claim that Amina, his mother, stayed pregnant for 4 years! unfortunately all my sources are in Arabic.