No one is killing in the name of the Catholic faith TODAY. But it has over the years, and I’m not just talking about the “taking up of the cross” (crusades) of the middle east wars, but also the ones fought against the non-christians in Europe. (For an informative book on the matter see: “THE NORTHERN CRUSADES: 2ND EDITION” by Eric ChristiansenWe will not convert. Islam is a heresy. Please come home to the True Faith. We invite you, in every loving way, to come home. Your home is waiting for you.
It is said that by works you shall know faith. Look around you, no one is killing in the name of the Catholic faith. You cannot say that about Islam. Please come home. We welcome you home.
Love, Melanie
I doubt if I have the wherewithals to read that book. So give us a break and tell us what is your thesis on "killing in the name of Christians.No one is killing in the name of the Catholic faith TODAY. But it has over the years, and I’m not just talking about the “taking up of the cross” (crusades) of the middle east wars, but also the ones fought against the non-christians in Europe. (For an informative book on the matter see: “THE NORTHERN CRUSADES: 2ND EDITION” by Eric Christiansen
Well let me help you out so you can be informed (I mean that in a nice way). There are many articles written by muslims, INCLUDING those who hold to the Salaf Da’wah - the “version” of Islam as preached and practiced in Saudi Arabia, among other places…which is NOT the same Islam that Osama Bin Laden practices (he follows the Qutubi/Qutb, which the Saudi religious and govt have spoke out against). Here are some links so that people can understand correctly (and these are all from Salafi’s, which most western media call extremist):I’m sorry,but with all due respect, I agree with the question. I have NEVER seen ANY Muslim denounce ANY terrorist activity. EVER.
Sorry, but to me, to remain silent is to announce your approval. Since I have never seen ANYONE denounce any terrorist activity as wrong, I construe the silence as approval. It is up to those who believe terrorists to be wrong to speak up.
For now, anyone involved in Islam that has not stood up and said “we disagree with the terrorists” or something similar, by their very silence is giving approval.
I have often thought that, and please forgive me I do not intend to criticize, that one of the flaws of Islam is that there is no central authority, no one to say, FOR CERTAIN, that someone is out of line. Perhaps, if there were such an apparatus in Islam, the sponsors of mass murder would be “excommunicated” or whatever that would be in Islam.
But they are not, because there is no one to pronounce them outside the faith and beyond the bounds of decency. And so they continue…
We cannot fix the murderous heretics, but we can invite those gentle Muslims to come home to the True Faith. We will not convert to your heresy, but we are here, waiting for you, to come home. We welcome you. You possess part of the faith, come home and possess all of it. We want you to join us.
13 year old kids? According to Aisha’s own words, she was 6 years old when he married her and 9 years old when he sexually consumated the marriage.paarsurrey is incapable of debate and unable to defend his/her own beliefs.
You still haven’t told me why muhammed needed to act like a marauding thug and take 13 year old kids as wives paarsurrey…
The book talks about the wars fought against the Baltic peoples. The “warror-monks” of that time who fought to convert the non-christians to christianity, as well as some fighting against eastern christians who were trying to convert these peoples themselves.I doubt if I have the wherewithals to read that book. So give us a break and tell us what is your thesis on "killing in the name of Christians.
We are to do it in remembrance. When eating bread and drinking the wine (juice, whatever), we are to remember that Jesus was beaten and crucified for us just as a lamb was killed and “broken” for the Day of Atonement. Jesus being our “Lamb” means that by accepting His sacrifice our sins are forgiven.However, according to Jesus’ own words, we are required to receive His body and blood made present by the power of the Holy Spirit in the Eucharist , and we do this every Sunday at mass.:tiphat:
EVERYDAY.WHEN was the last time the Holy Spirit was allowed to move like that in your “church”?
Hope this helps. :tiphat:
FIRST, I’m not condoning anything of the like, but to be fair I offer the following from roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm13 year old kids? According to Aisha’s own words, she was 6 years old when he married her and 9 years old when he sexually consumated the marriage.
There seems to be something wrong with the info in your book….….
One other person who forced conversion and killed and tortured those who continued in their pre-christian religion after being forcibly baptized was St. Olaf Tryggvason. Some of his methods included: Forcing live snakes down peoples throats, putting a bowl of red-hot embers on a person’s stomach until it burst open, cut peoples’ tongues out if they preached against christianity and/or for the ways of their own previous religion, and exhile. And they made him a saint! (This is one of the reasons I haven’t converted to Catholocism)
Married doesn’t mean consummated, and there’s still a big difference between twelve or thirteen and six or nine. AND such marriages were only ever practiced among the wealthiest classes - they were the exception and not the norm. Otherwise there was certainly no reason or advantage in marrying before the age of sexual maturity.FIRST, I’m not condoning anything of the like, but to be fair I offer the following from roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm
An excerpt: “Child brides, whether Byzantines or foreign princesses, were the norm rather than the exception, especially from the late twelfth century. Irene Ducaena, wife of Alexius I Comnenus, was twelve at her marriage, and empress before she was fifteen; the Byzantine princess Theodora, Manuel’s niece, was in her thirteenth year when she married Baldwin III of Jerusalem; and Margaret-Maria of Hungary married Isaac II Angelus at the age of nine.”
I do not codone child marriage/child rape no matter who does it. None of the people you listed are held up today by huge numbers of people to be a prophet of God. None of them are praised as being the most perfect human to have ever lived. Many Muslims believe that 9 years old the age of consent for girls to marry because of Aisha’s age at the time.FIRST, I’m not condoning anything of the like, but to be fair I offer the following from roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm
An excerpt: “Child brides, whether Byzantines or foreign princesses, were the norm rather than the exception, especially from the late twelfth century. Irene Ducaena, wife of Alexius I Comnenus, was twelve at her marriage, and empress before she was fifteen; the Byzantine princess Theodora, Manuel’s niece, was in her thirteenth year when she married Baldwin III of Jerusalem; and Margaret-Maria of Hungary married Isaac II Angelus at the age of nine.”
In his last 10 years in Medina and his return to Mecca, he (or his people at his command) fought over 80 battles, killing thousans and enslaving thousands.He may not have forced anyone in the first thirteen years, but he created a lot of wars and conquered many lands in the name of Islam. Even if he didn’t do this, the people who came after him performed these tasks
For once - an intelligent response from kujo…savor if folks…not much where that came from.The one frustrating thing about too many Muslims is that they “claim” that they don’t agree with terrorism only in private. You don’t see ANY public display of that from the Muslim community.
After 9/11, the news showed Muslims in their own countries dancing in the streets. How many Muslim groups in America did you hear about publicly condeming violence and acts of terrorism?
The silence is deafening.
That was my mistake, not the book’s. The book doesn’t deal with Charlemagne nor Olaf, those were just a couple other examples I was throwing out there. But yes, you are correct on which one was declared a Saint. But still, both had fought with the intention of forcing christianity to be accepted.orthodoxwiki.org/Olaf_of_Norway
There seems to be something wrong with the info in your book….
It confuses Saint Olaf (995-1030) withOlaf Tryggvason (950-1000),
How much do you know of the Vikings? They were very brutal, war like people. IT is seems that Olaf Tryggvason was a confused guy as on one hand he is said to have brought Christianity to Norway, but on the other hand he was a Viking to raided villages…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaf_II_of_Norway
Olaf II Haraldsson (995 – July 29, 1030), king from 1015–1028, (known during his lifetime as the Stout (Olav Digre) and after his canonization as Saint Olaf), was born in the year in which Olaf Tryggvason came to Norway. His mother was Åsta Gudbrandsdatter, and his father was Harald Grenske, great-grandchild of Harald I Fairhair. In modern day Norway he is known as Olav den Hellige or Olaf the Holy as a result of his sainthood.
Do you have any idea how barbaric the Norse people were at that time? One of the biggest problems Europe had was that they were raiding all over Europe, slaughtering entire town, raping and pillaging. At the time the only thing that help Europeans together was the church. When an area was raided, they generally killed all of the monks and other clergy. New monks would move in and take over helping the locals rebuild. If Olaf Tryggvason was brutal after he converted to Christianity it was only because he was brutal before that. It was later generations that were pacified by Christianity.
Amen to that. Where do you think Mr Mohamed got the notion of praying 5 times a day if not from the Christian monks that he actually was close to!!!You do have a point. All that is good in Islam originally belonged to Judaism and Christianity. Sadly, many of us have forgotten and no longer prostrate. But I will never forsake Christ my God.
CDL
Hey there. So was Moses evil for declaring the following (in the name of God)?:In his last 10 years in Medina and his return to Mecca, he (or his people at his command) fought over 80 battles, killing thousans and enslaving thousands.
He also had his ‘faithful’ assassiante men and women who disagreed with him.
Those who were violent after his death were only continuing the path he stared them on.
Well, if Muslims say that Jesus is a “prophet”, I have to ask if they concider Him a “true” prophet or a “false” prophet. If they say “true”, then we’ll have to let them know just what their “true prophet” said about Himself.For once - an intelligent response from kujo…savor if folks…not much where that came from.
I know they’re not held as being prophets, that wasn’t why I posted it. Why do you care if I condem muhammad and aisha’s marriage or not??? I’m not condoning child marriage if that’s what you’re talking about. But I do acknowledge that in times before, “child” marriage was more normal. One can glean from the Talmud as well as all bible scholors that I’ve heard from, that marriage at a young age was the norm back then. I agree that consumation at age 9 seems really young. But I have read about 9 yr olds being married and having children at that age (with their, and their parents approval-in the 21st century). Also, from what I’ve read in hadiths, aisha only had good things to say about muhammed, for whatever it’s worth. But again, I’m not advocating anything of the sort.I do not codone child marriage/child rape no matter who does it. None of the people you listed are held up today by huge numbers of people to be a prophet of God. None of them are praised as being the most perfect human to have ever lived. Many Muslims believe that 9 years old the age of consent for girls to marry because of Aisha’s age at the time.
CAn you tell us that you condem Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha and that you condem the marriage of any 9 year old.?
Why do you keep posting the same garbage like a broken record?? For someone who claims that he’s helping to bridge gaps between faiths, your continued insults against our Faith are a complete stumbling block to that!Hi
You may continue believing the above, even if it is proved wrong, that is your right, no compulsion. You need not convert if you don’t understand.
Nevertheless I have told you, that to me with reasonable and rational arguments:
- Jesus did not die on cross.
2.Since he did not die on Cross so there is no question of his resurrrection from the dead.
3.Since he did not die on Cross so there is no question of his being God or Son of God.
4.He never ascended to heavens, or sat on the right hand of God.
5.He died a natural and respectful death in Siringagr,Kashmir, India where he lived among lost tribes of the House Of Israel.
This is very reasonable.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
GodAllahYHWH is All-Knowing; one should invariably give Claim and Reason on all important issues from one’s Revealed Book; one shouldn’t try putting one’s own words into God’s mouth.