Muslim Imam converts to Christianity

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Okay, you don’t need to get too proud you Catholics. A couple of Imams converting to Christianity doesn’t mean a lot to either Christianity or Islam. There has probably been as many Christian clerics going the other way. So what does that prove? Not a lot that I can tell.

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zerinus said:
Okay, you don’t need to get too proud you Catholics. A couple of Imams converting to Christianity doesn’t mean a lot to either Christianity or Islam. There has probably been as many Christian clerics going the other way. So what does that prove? Not a lot that I can tell.

zerinus
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hola,

one might ask what is proven by St. Paul becomming a believer… when a lost sheep returns home it is beautiful because they are choosing salvation over sin… it is a very important and good thing to Catholics. pride is not the issue and it is not even allowed to be an issue because pride is a cardinal sin.

Dios te bendiga
 
zerinus said:
Okay, you don’t need to get too proud you Catholics. A couple of Imams converting to Christianity doesn’t mean a lot to either Christianity or Islam. There has probably been as many Christian clerics going the other way. So what does that prove? Not a lot that I can tell.

zerinus
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Why does this thread affect you so deeply? It’s about Islam to Christianity conversions. There is no mention of Mormonism. I just don’t understand why this is so upsetting to you.
 
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Okay you guys; I got no joy out of your links, so I have scoured the Internet for an “imam converting to Christianity!”, and this Utube narration is the closest thing that I have found:

youtube.com/watch?v=gTBN-Jq8yi8

Is this it, or have you a different story to tell me?

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Much as I’d like to see this story as true, I also am not finding it documented anywhere either. I think Pro Universal has made some good points. We don’t want to embrace something as true like this until it has actually been fact-checked. The income issue seems small, but it might betray a “manufactured story”.

As far as converts, we know from organizations like Voices of the Martyrs that it does happen to “regular Joes” frequently, and the converts are not usually welcomed warmly by their Muslim neigbors.
 
By now if it was false a triumphant muslim would have posted an article which said so. They haven’t. The issue is no longer whether it’s true, but what it implies about Islam.
 
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By now if it was false a triumphant muslim would have posted an article which said so. They haven’t. The issue is no longer whether it’s true, but what it implies about Islam.
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How can someone prove or disprove that an unnamed “Imam” in an undisclosed location did or did not convert to Christianity?
 
Believe me if it was false it would have been discovered. It is common with muslim converts to conceal their identity. Why you ask? Because muslims kill those who convert. If you have information that the story if false please post it.

A few years ago the Italian ambassador to Saudi Arabia “converted” to islam. They spent weeks and months screaming in triumph. Alas the truth came out. He had always wanted to visit Mecca, but wasn’t muslim. So he snuck in and was caught while leaving. Ooops. What to do? Kill an ambassador? So it was decided he would “convert” on the spot and then be recalled. No compulsion in religion? Right. But that didn’t and doesn’t stop muslims from using the story. They are willing to bend the truth.

In this case we have a similiar tale, but so far no one has info that it is false. I found out the truth about the ambassador, so they can find it out about the imam if it is false. Until then we must assume the story is true. So please keep it on the topic which is: hurrah an imam joined us and maybe other muslims should too.
 
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I found out the truth about the ambassador, so they can find it out about the imam if it is false.
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How would you go about proving or disproving the conversion story of an unnamed “Imam” in an undisclosed location? What tools would you use?
 
That’s up to them. I used google and it worked for me. One tactic muslims use is to demand “proof” and more “proof”. Then when you give it to them they say it isn’t enough or they change the subject. I don’t want that to happen here. If you have evidence the story is false present it.
 
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It’s not used for random clerics. It’s an extremely high position to have, eg, the 12 Imams…
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How many Imams are there? I didn’t understand your example of “12 imams”. When a muslim goes to a Mosque (sp?) is there always an Imam there?
 
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How many Imams are there? I didn’t understand your example of “12 imams”. When a muslim goes to a Mosque (sp?) is there always an Imam there?
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I think it depends on whether you are Sunni or Shia. Iran is a Shia country and restricts the title of Imam to a limited number of supreme leaders. The Sunni’s use the title for more junior officials. Muslim leaders in Iran are more likely to be called mullah’s I think unless they are Ayatollahs
 
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…and the converts are not usually welcomed warmly by their Muslim neigbors.
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they are grasped warmly by the throat I hear
most Muslims agree with execution for apostacy
in Indonesia it is a very involved process trying to change your religion esp if you were Muslim
that have been cases recently where a family have wanted to give a relative who converted to Christianity a Christian burial and it has not been allowed by the Indonesian authorities
 
Eden said:
Why does this thread affect you so deeply? It’s about Islam to Christianity conversions. There is no mention of Mormonism. I just don’t understand why this is so upsetting to you.
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It doesn’t affect me at all. I just didn’t see any cause for the gleeful reporting of an Imam’s conversion. It isn’t such a big deal. Hundreds of people may convert from either religion to the other every day. Nothing special about that.

zerinus
 
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Yes, I have. I cited the story’s claims about his “salary” as a cleric. Please read the story if you don’t understand what I meant by that–the report is that he abandoned a “cleric’s salary” of 700,000 “units of currency” per month.

In Iran, that actually means only 77 dollars a month, ie, less than the Iranian minimum wage. So the story clearly at a minimum isn’t straight on its facts…and that makes it suspect.
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The official unit of currency in Iran is the Rial (IRR); but that is a very small unit, and it is never used ordinarily to express prices, wages, incomes and savings, or other monetary values inside the country. The common unit that is used for that is the toman, which is equivalent to 10 Rials. See the following articles:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_rial
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_toman

Thus his salary would be nearer $770 per month, which is a respectable salary in Iran. Also, that is not a terribly accurate figure either, because it is the official exchange rate. There is also the unofficial (black marked) exchange rate which is closer to the true value of the currency. Nobody exchanges currency in Iran at the official exchange rate. They do it on the black market at the unofficial exchange rate.
Second, posting every day something to demean Muslims is an organized campaign.
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That is probably true, unfortunately; but I don’t think that this story is particularly unbelievable.

zerinus
 
Sadly Muslims explain away nearly everything with some variety of conspiracy theory. This makes it hard to get through to them.
On the other hand, the tosh that gets believed by Muslims is extraordinary - a faked up picture of the word for “Allah” supposedly in some trees in Germany etc etc.
 
zerinus, that is my point. Muslims use every convert as an example of Christians converting and how it proves islam is best. I just put the shoe on the other foot. Suddenly they find it isn’t so fun.
 
It is great to see so many converting. But they suffer a lot. When I became Catholic no one threatened to kill me.
 
Especially your own father trying to kill you… :confused:

yes its great to see so many converting.
 
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