Muslim Imam converts to Christianity

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Kadaveri,
You live in the UK and you want us to believe there is no violence against those who are critical of Islam? I was once on speakers corner in Hyde Park. There have been assaults there by Muslims who didn’t like to hear disagreement. The ones I saw were raving fanatics and yes the converts were British women married to those fanatics. But we have had some converts over here in the US. Would you like to know what they’ve been up too? I will be happy to share.
 
Kadaveri said:
Clerics in Iran are given their wages by the state, Rocky.

And do you have any statistics to support your claim that converts to Islam are ‘mostly women marrying Muslim men, convicts or wackos’ Jack? Or are we just gonna play the stupid Christian anti-Islamic polemic games so typical of those insecure in their religion (funny how atheists, Jews, Mandaeans, Zoroastrians, Polytheists etc never resort to such immature tactics).
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I can’t quote any statistics off the top of my head, but I have researched the subject.Look at the proportions of converts (or “reverts” as Mohammedans bizarrely call them) who become violent extremists, for example. I think it is well recognized that prison is a recruiting ground for Islam. Also it is well recognized that many female converts are converts by marriage - I can verify that from personal observation certainly.
As for stupid polemic, what does your last comment come under exactly? And do you have any statistics to prove that?😛
My opposition to Islam comes not from insecurity but from experience of Islamic extremism in Birmingham. I think many people might think Islam is just another religion until they see the things that Mohammedans try to keep quiet. I could give you several incidents from personal experience not MSM.
As for insecurity, well it’s been said by others but Islam is the religion of insecurity bar none. Who else would wage violent protests as a reaction to people portraying Islam as a religion of violence and not appreciate the irony? Mohammedans try and portray themselves as victims all the time. People are beginning to see through this.
When you have so many terrorist arrests in your area, then you begin to lose all sympathy.
 
Kadaveri said:
The above is just yet another example…
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Muslims regularly attack Christianity in the mosques. Saudi Arabia bans the import of anything related to Christianity. Christians get falsely accused of blasphemy in Pakistan regularly.
So which is the insecure religion?👍
 
cestusdei said:
Here is a man who knew Islam backwords and forwards. He sacrificed everything and endangered his life to accept Christ. This is why they work so hard to avoid having their people hear about Christianity. They know they will lose.

www.spcm.org

Also linked from www.spiritdaily.com
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Where is this article you guys are making all this fuss about? I have looked in both sites and can’t find it.

zerinus
 
It was in the first site. Look back a few days. Basically an Islamic Imam converted to Christianity and the muslims are having a hissy fit. They don’t want to believe it.
 
I was referring to the quite blatant trait in criticising Islam/Muslims that is so significantly more common amongst Christians than any other religion group, that any argument is supported based solely on its conclusion rather than its merit.

This is purely a qualitative perception, but I don’t think it can be reasonably disregarded that this trend is very peculiar to Christians. It’s certainly very rare that I’ve seen any Jews, Mandaeans, Zoroastrians or even Polytheists argue against Islam with such irrational logic. Why is this? The only explanatin I’ve given much consideration is that Christians, unlike any others, see Islam as their primary ‘competitor’ so to speak, perhaps even their nemesis, thus there is a far more prevalent trait of supporting anything that could be utilised to attack or discredit Islam, even if it is complete drivel.
 
What a pleonasm! Not to mention the odd tautology or two!
Muslims also peculiarly attack Christianity (except in India where they attack Hinduism).
Your point is (apart from the perpetual Mohammedan claim to victimhood)?
Have you not considered that Islam is so hated in the West that yes people will tend to believe anything?
Why is Islam hated? Could it be to do with the fact that where there is Islam, there is violence?
 
cestusdei said:
It was in the first site. Look back a few days. Basically an Islamic Imam converted to Christianity and the muslims are having a hissy fit. They don’t want to believe it.
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I would like to have a look at the article. Can you give us a link directly to the article?

zerinus
 
zerinus said:
I would like to have a look at the article. Can you give us a link directly to the article?

zerinus
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Okay you guys; I got no joy out of your links, so I have scoured the Internet for an “imam converting to Christianity!”, and this Utube narration is the closest thing that I have found:

youtube.com/watch?v=gTBN-Jq8yi8

Is this it, or have you a different story to tell me?

zerinus
 
Kadaveri said:
I was referring to the quite blatant trait in criticising Christians/Christianitythat is so significantly more common amongst muslims than any other religion group, that any argument is supported based solely on its conclusion rather than its merit.

This is purely a qualitative perception, but I don’t think it can be reasonably disregarded that this trend is very peculiar to muslims. It’s certainly very rare that I’ve seen any Jews, Mandaeans, Zoroastrians or even Polytheists argue against Christianitywith such irrational logic. Why is this? The only explanatin I’ve given much consideration is that muslims, unlike any others, see Christianity as their primary ‘competitor’ so to speak, perhaps even their nemesis, thus there is a far more prevalent trait of supporting anything that could be utilised to attack or discredit Christianity, even if it is complete drivel.
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Kadaveri, you must have been very tired when posted the above. Don’t worry I fixed it for you (the corrections are in red). Now it makes sense!
 
cestusdei said:
I googled it and it came right up.

www.spcm.org/Journal/spip.php?article7247

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1798259/posts?page=1

www.iranforchrist.com

Not hard to find at all.
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Okay, so we conclude that there have been more than one “imam” converting to Christianity from Islam. But you must agree that my “imam” was more impressive than your “imam”! 😃 :rotfl:

I would like to know what search terms you used to find it though. My guess is that you had read the article, so you know what was in it, therefore you knew what search terms to use to find it. I didn’t know that, so I found a better “Imam” instead! :rotfl:

zerinus

P.S. 700,000 is quite a respectable salary in Iran. It is as much as a doctor would earn, if not more.
 
zerinus said:
Okay you guys; I got no joy out of your links, so I have scoured the Internet for an “imam converting to Christianity!”, and this Utube narration is the closest thing that I have found:

youtube.com/watch?v=gTBN-Jq8yi8

Is this it, or have you a different story to tell me?

zerinus
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Must be mormon research skills :hmmm:

Go to the original link; click on the American/British flag icon (unless you like the French); type in the thread’s heading in the SEARCH box, click on the first link provided by cestusdei and you will find the article (short version) with a tagline from Oklahoma.

I would wager that exMormons and exMoslems have the SAME reasons for converting to Christianity, since both sects are weird takes on Judeo-Christianity with quite a number (more than by chance?) of coincidences.
 
pro_universal said:
Who knows if the “poor” Imam is even real.

77 US dollar a month, and they’re bragging about that as if he sacrificed it all to become Christian? That makes me seriously doubt that there’s been even a basic fact check on this. I mean come on…a currency converter is on the net.

Memri.org isn’t Muslim TV, it’s Israeli intelligence on the web. (Not an exaggeration-it is founded and run by Israeli intelligence officials.)
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What a surprise, in a country with mandatory service to the state via the military, how unusual to have a citizen with intelligence background!

Who cares who runs it? I’m more interested if someone can prove they falsify translations of the arabic. Then you have a case. Otherwise, its simply insinuating that because its “israeli intelligence” it must be untrustworthy.

Thank god, they’re not the only ones translating muslims saying that Jews and Christians are pigs and monkeys. The religion of peace preaches it enough that its pretty widely known at this point.
 
cestusdei said:
You will notice we don’t kill those clergy who convert to Islam.
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Perhaps we should START:thumbsup:
Give Christianity that “cutting edge” that Islam has and perhaps get the upper hand in the Third World.
WP
 
An “apostate” (what a horrible term) from Indonesia IIRC had his address reported by someone on the internet and had to flee the country - this is what ex-Muslims are up against. No wonder Ali Sina had to found Faith Freedom International!
 
Kadaveri said:
I was referring to the quite blatant trait in criticising Islam/Muslims that is so significantly more common amongst Christians than any other religion group, that any argument is supported based solely on its conclusion rather than its merit.
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And this argument of yours is based on what?
 
zerinus said:
Okay you guys; I got no joy out of your links, so I have scoured the Internet for an “imam converting to Christianity!”, and this Utube narration is the closest thing that I have found:

youtube.com/watch?v=gTBN-Jq8yi8

Is this it, or have you a different story to tell me?

zerinus
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Try spcm.org/Journal/spip.php?article7136
The imam called one of the phone counselors connected to Iran for Christ Ministries and prayed to receive Christ in early February. “The man has been watching Christian TV programs for the past two years,” Baghestani said. “He said he has believed since he began watching the programs but his salvation was sealed through his confession.”
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“This man knows all the verses of the Qur’an by heart,” he added. “After he began watching, doubt began in his heart about the Islamic faith.”
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I share the scepticism about this article. Knowing the verses of the Quran by heart is hardly something restricted to mullah’s in Iran. I believe most of the world Muslims can quote huge chunks of the Quran.
 
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