Muslim man having 86 wives.

[MugenOne]

According to my Bangladeshi driver in Riyadh, Saudi men like to marry more than one wife because they like young “nugget” or virgin. So, polygamy is purely for sexual pleasure. I used to send Saudi government personnel back to the US for conference, training, meeting, etc., when I was there. I put to stop to a lot of scams like having family members and multiple wife accompanying them on their trips. I used to tell them that they were allowed to bring family members and one wife. So, if they have many wives, I’d tell them to bring their most favorite one.
Normally, they all brought their first wife with them which was always good.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Thats just crazy.
This is lust.
This man is greedy. What would you do with 86 wives??

Just what you think he did.

Ask your mother to explain it to you.

LOL.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Ask your mother to explain it to you.

LOL.

 

[cathopologist]

I’ll tell you why, and why most Muslim men shy away from this. This is an old article, but its certainly not limited to Muslim men from the M.E. It exists everywhere there are Muslims, including South East Asia.

An Islamic family law, making it easier for men to have polygamous marriages and take more of wives’ property, is expected to be passed in the Senate.
Women senators from the governing coalition, who hoped to oppose the bill, have been ordered to support it.
The law has angered women’s rights campaigners on several counts.
It makes it easier for a man to take multiple wives and to divorce. It allows a husband to claim a share of an existing wife’s property if he takes further wives.
And it curtails a wife’s rights to maintenance and to dispose of her own property.
Lawmakers in Malaysia’s male-dominated lower chamber passed the bill after two days’ debate that centred on men’s rights to polygamy rather than scrutiny of the bill itself.
But it has prompted a rebellion in the senate, where Malaysia’s parliament minister, Nazri Aziz, said the cabinet instructed the rebels, most of whom are women, to toe the line.
They are free to debate and speak their mind, but when it comes to a vote they have to follow, he said.
Islam is very strict about the circumstances under which a man can take more than one wife.
He must, for instance, be able to treat all his wives justly. However the new rules would mean a Malaysian Muslim man would no longer have to prove he could behave fairly to all his spouses before marrying.

From: **Malaysia’s government has quelled a rebellion among lawmakers who wanted to stop new legislation they said could undermine women’s rights. **

Its not always about sex, but rather, riches. A few years ago, a Muslim from Johore, Malaysia was found to have more than 50 wives. Many of his wives were professionals (lawyers, doctors) and he himself was a self proclaimed imam. Should i pity those women? Certainly not. They knew what they were getting themselves into. They want to be servants to their husband, its their choice.

 

[Americanrevert]

Hello,

First of all, it is not allowed in Islam to have more than four and in saying this, you must deal with each one fairly and justly.

Polygamy is a cure for many cases. I am not saying it is a must either. I have a good post but it is a little long to put here so I got a video clip of yusuf estess…he talks a little bit about polygamy.

youtube.com/watch?v=NO2vCvAsX4s

watch

americanrevert

 

[Americanrevert]

Hello,

First of all, it is not allowed in Islam to have more than four and in saying this, you must deal with each one fairly and justly.

Polygamy is a cure for many cases. I am not saying it is a must either. I have a good post

youtube.com/watch?v=NO2vCvAsX4s

watch

americanrevert

 

[Sam_777]

First of all, it is not allowed in Islam to have more than four and in saying this, you must deal with each one fairly and justly.

Hi Americanrevert ,

Then why Muhammed himself took between 12 & 23 women as indicated in my original post, shouldn’t he be a good model/example for other Muslims!

 

[Cinette]

23 in a lifetime is far from 82 at one time.

To me this is just carnal lust. Women are to be used. Women are just another orgasm to them. How can women stand it?

I am a very fortunate and spoilt woman. I have a man who has always love me. He has been faithful and extremely generous with his love.

We are parents and grandparents and we still have eyes only for each other. We now go to daily Mass together, we pray together, we laugh, we tease, we are happy.

That is love.

 

[Sam_777]

To me this is just carnal lust. Women are to be used. Women are just another orgasm to them. How can women stand it?

I am a very fortunate and spoilt woman. I have a man who has always love me. He has been faithful and extremely generous with his love.

We are parents and grandparents and we still have eyes only for each other. We now go to daily Mass together, we pray together, we laugh, we tease, we are happy.

That is love.

Well said Cinette :clapping: .

 

[Americanrevert]

Then why Muhammed himself took between 12 & 23 women as indicated in my original post, shouldn’t he be a good model/example for other Muslims!

first of all, your information about Mohammad is incorrect. Do you not even listen to Muslims at all???

It isn’t about lust in all cases. Sure men do lust after women, but marriage is the key. Fornication and Adultery are forbidden…so what do yall do about this??? Go behind your wife’s back in many or the majority of cases…you flirt and have affairs and flings to the side…Islam prohibits this.

The laws of God are preventive and cures. It isn’t upon a Muslim to go against these laws and if they do, they will be punished. You can bash all you want, criticize all you want, but no one can tell their Creator what to pronounce as a law/ordainment/decree. You think you know Islam, you think you understand Islam, but in reality, you cannot even come to terms with your own religion and it’s unanswerable questions.

Polygamy is a blessing and I am a woman saying this, an American at that! I grew up knowing only one woman per man, but Islam conquers that why??? There is a huge massive %'s of more women now than men, tell me, how many women to one man is there? Well, Islam states the number…you have no cure. And again, Allah knows us better in every aspect and more than we will ever know. So you cannot challenge God~just your own lack of awareness.

americanrevert

 

[Psalter]

Polygamy is a blessing and I am a woman saying this, an American at that! I grew up knowing only one woman per man, but Islam conquers that why??? There is a huge massive %'s of more women now than men, tell me, how many women to one man is there? Well, Islam states the number…you have no cure. And again, Allah knows us better in every aspect and more than we will ever know. So you cannot challenge God~just your own lack of awareness.

americanrevert

Polygamy is a blessing!? Thanks but no thanks.

“Have ye not read that He Who made man from the beginning made them male and female? And He said:
For this cause shall a man leave father and mother and shall cleave to his wife: and they two shall be in one flesh. Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.” (The Lord Jesus Christ, Gospel according to St. Matthew, xix, 4-5)
ONE MAN, ONE WOMAN, ONE FLESH.

I’m so thankful for the heavenly and beautiful Christian understanding of marriage as a sacramental union…so much superior to the carnal Islamic understanding which is meant to appease the appetites of the flesh. Christianity exalts human nature and dignifies it; Islam caters to the base and carnal nature of man.

And by the way, AmericanRevert, do you actually think there are 4 women to every man in the world? You’re so brainwashed…

 

[Cinette]

I heard the other day that there are 70million men in China who will never marry because there are just not enough women! The reason is of course that so many unborn girl babies have been killed in their Mothers’ wombs.

I know that it is a fact that during war more male babies are born because more men are killed. God, through nature, always evens things out.

So when we see a disequalibrium there must be a man-made reason.

This muslim lady who says that polygamy is a blessing is not thinking straight. It seems that to her polygamy is a god-given thing.

This is outrageous and wrong. Sorry!:nope: :tsktsk: :ehh: :ehh:

 

[Sam_777]

first of all, your information about Mohammad is incorrect. Do you not even listen to Muslims at all???

It isn’t about lust in all cases. Sure men do lust after women, but marriage is the key. Fornication and Adultery are forbidden…so what do yall do about this??? Go behind your wife’s back in many or the majority of cases…you flirt and have affairs and flings to the side…Islam prohibits this.

The laws of God are preventive and cures. It isn’t upon a Muslim to go against these laws and if they do, they will be punished. You can bash all you want, criticize all you want, but no one can tell their Creator what to pronounce as a law/ordainment/decree. You think you know Islam, you think you understand Islam, but in reality, you cannot even come to terms with your own religion and it’s unanswerable questions.

Polygamy is a blessing and I am a woman saying this, an American at that! I grew up knowing only one woman per man, but Islam conquers that why??? There is a huge massive %'s of more women now than men, tell me, how many women to one man is there? Well, Islam states the number…you have no cure. And again, Allah knows us better in every aspect and more than we will ever know. So you cannot challenge God~just your own lack of awareness.

americanrevert

You have gone way off topic americanrevert!, my question is why Muhammed himself took between 12 & 23 women, shouldn’t he be a good example for his followers…

 

[LilyM]

first of all, your information about Mohammad is incorrect. Do you not even listen to Muslims at all???

It isn’t about lust in all cases. Sure men do lust after women, but marriage is the key. Fornication and Adultery are forbidden…so what do yall do about this??? Go behind your wife’s back in many or the majority of cases…you flirt and have affairs and flings to the side…Islam prohibits this.

The laws of God are preventive and cures. It isn’t upon a Muslim to go against these laws and if they do, they will be punished. You can bash all you want, criticize all you want, but no one can tell their Creator what to pronounce as a law/ordainment/decree. You think you know Islam, you think you understand Islam, but in reality, you cannot even come to terms with your own religion and it’s unanswerable questions.

Polygamy is a blessing and I am a woman saying this, an American at that! I grew up knowing only one woman per man, but Islam conquers that why??? There is a huge massive %'s of more women now than men, tell me, how many women to one man is there? Well, Islam states the number…you have no cure. And again, Allah knows us better in every aspect and more than we will ever know. So you cannot challenge God~just your own lack of awareness.

americanrevert

Fornication and adultery are forbidden in Islam?

Quite the contrary - they’re openly tolerated and encouraged, just relabelled as ‘polygamy’ to make them sound better. Anything more than one wife IS fornication and adultery, whatever name you want to call it to justify it to yourselves.

And condoned by the example of your prophet Muhammad himself, it seems, since he reportedly had many more than four wives!

You only have to say ‘I divorce you’ three times to a woman in order to successfully get rid of her - what kind of respect for marriage is that?

 

[dzheremi]

Exactly! It is written in Matthew that anyone who so much as looks at another woman with lust has committed adultery with her in his heart (Matthew 5:27-28), And now the Muslims here want to somehow convince us that Islam is superior to Christianity in its teachings! I don’t think Islam takes such things seriously. It gives the libidos of men free range over the rights (and objections!) of women. It’s sick. Islam’s teachings on marriage that justify polygamy are sick. They may have been better than what women faced in the sixth century or whatever (I don’t know, but that’s a claim that I’ve heard more than once), but Islam has not progressed beyond the mindset of that time in its law code, so I don’t think it’s anything to be proud of now.

 

[Nepenthe]

Perhaps it might be worth considering where this is taking place - on or near one of the most desperate, destitute, starving, displaced and dangerous places in the world. This man is well-off, and has likely saved many of these women and children from slavery, starvation, rape, exposure, and so many other evils. Here they are fed,sheltered and clothed, and basically free from the chaos they may likely were fleeing.

And he may be 84, so hey it’s quite possible that not all the children are of his seed anyway, yet to him it matters not and none are turned away unless they have committed crimes of real violence in the wars, and would bet even the (he is a soft-spoken man) he gives them as much counseling as he may - their children are raised and educated to the best of his resources. And what little law there may be in the area, he can protect those who need it the most. So, rather than screaming UNCHRISTIAN POLYGAMOUS GREED, perhaps you might take into account the great kindness and philanthropy of his. After all, generosity and giving is one of the Five Pillars of Islam, an as such, he may feel deeply called to that. Perhaps he truly does love Humankind more than many percieve on the surface without taking all the terrible strife raging all about this family into account, is all I wished to say.

 

[dzheremi]

That’s all dandy, but it ignores the fact that you can care for people and shelter them and all that without marrying them, having sex with them, and having them bear your children! Unless you want to tell me that only a few of his 170 children are his, which doesn’t seem statistically probable.

Also, Nigeria may have its problems, but its worth noting that this story came to light after one of Nigeria’s Shariah courts ordered the man to divorce 82 of his wives and he refused. So even according to Islamic law he is in error (by a giantic margin; he has over twenty times the number of wives he is legally allowed!)

 

[Nepenthe]

Oh, I know all that - but still, we are supposed to be charitable, and in such desperate times, sometimes desperate measures. Having heard him, and a few of the wives and kids speak very briefly, most of these women AFTER the 4 permitted by Muslim law) sought him out for shelter, and yes, to be legally married consummation is supposed to occur - though I imagine the eye gets winked under certain, especially for those in great need, circumstances.) And they do sound happy.

Also, he may be a Muslim first, yet he is also a tribal in a wartorn land. Perhaps he may be doing wrong by some standards, but he may also be doing great good by others. That is all I meant, neither defending or denigrating the motives in this case.

 

[Analyzer]

And now the Muslims here want to somehow convince us that Islam is superior to Christianity in its teachings! I don’t think Islam takes such things seriously.

**Yes indeed Islam is SUPERIOR to tha religion that is taught by Chruch by the name ‘Christianity’.

Because Christianity of Church is not really taught by Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was a Muslim not a Christian.

So as per Paul, virginity is preferable to a married state, as he himself remained unmarried atleast up unitl when he wrote “But I say to the unmarried, and to the widows: It is good for them if they so continue, even as I.”**

 

[dzheremi]

Yes indeed Islam is SUPERIOR to tha religion that is taught by Chruch by the name ‘Christianity’.

And I suppose you, in your infinite Muslim wisdom, would know better than Christ’s Church what is “true” Christianity? Dream on. Even if the Church were in error (which it isn’t), it doesn’t then follow that Islam is the answer or corrective. It isn’t. Whatever Islam is the answer to is a foolish question.

Because Christianity of Church is not really taught by Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was a Muslim not a Christian.

Yes, I am well aware of that particular Islamic LIE against Our Lord and Savior. Since the Quran was written some six hundred years after the fact, I don’t trust its claims to the past prophets. Oh, well, that AND the fact that what the Quran preaches is absolutely at variance with the picture of Jesus we get from the Bible - from HIS words, and the people that followed HIM during HIS life. Not from a pagan who came 600 years later to attempt to destroy what Jesus Himself had built and preached. If Jesus is a Muslim, then I’m the King of England.

So as per Paul, virginity is preferable to a married state, as he himself remained unmarried atleast up unitl when he wrote "But I say to the unmarried, and to the widows: It is good for them if they so continue, even as I.

Your point, please? I am not seeing it. You seem to not understand the passage you quote (it isn’t contradicting what anyone has written in this thread). Also, perhaps deliberately, you do not quote the verse that comes after the one you do quote. 1 Corinthians 7:9 says that those who would not be able to handle remaining in the unmarried state that Paul preaches for the faithful would be better to marry. This again has nothing to do with polygamy, since that is condemned elsewhere in the Bible. This is a question of Christian marriage (to ONE woman/man) vs.singlehood for the good of the Lord. Let he who is single remain single if he can handle it and still devote himself to the Lord. If he cannot, then let him be married. It’s not that difficult to understand.