Muslim World Faces Devastating Fertility Decline

[Ridgerunner]

Give us a break, Juliane. Germany never forced any country it conquered to speak German. People keep repeating this falsehood and it gets old awfully quickly. Even the Soviet Union, whose influence lasted longer than Germany’s, didn’t demand that its satellites all start speaking Russian.

But there are a lot of German speakers in areas once ruled by Germany or by Austria; e.g. Polish Silesia, Hungary.

Insistence on Russian was an off-and-on thing in the old Soviet Union. Many, many people in the Soviet Union changed and Russified their names. Sometimes local languages were encouraged and sometimes suppressed; e.g., Ukrainian. The Soviets didn’t exactly make Lithuanians speak Russian, they just moved lots of Russians into Lithuania. And, of course, they replaced the whole population of East Prussia and Koenigsberg.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Just a quick look reveals:

Egypt…birth rate above replacement
Iran…birth rate slightly below replacement
Turkey.birth rate below replacement
Sudan.birth rate well above replacement
Algeria…birth rate below replacement.
Indonesia.birth rate well below replacement.

Depends on which country you’re talking about.

 

[Digitonomy]

“There remains a widely perceived notion — still commonly held within intellectual, academic, and policy circles in the West and elsewhere…
It is generally thought that Muslim fertility rates are growing by leaps and bounds.

It would surprise me if the groups mentioned thought that fertility rates were growing quickly. Perhaps the article meant that intellectuals, academics, and policymakers generally thought that the Muslim population was growing by leaps and bounds.

 

[MacBP]

Interesting and strangely disheartening. I know that Muslim families tend to be more open to children than many western (and for that matter western Catholic) families. As far as I’m aware Islam does not expressly forbid contraception and accepts abortion to the 40th day. Consequently I see no reason why predominantly Muslim countries would now follow Western and Asian trends with respect fertility rates.

That’s good news for Catholics, in a long term way. It seems like every demographic is set to contracept themselves into extinction except for traditionalist Catholics. Between higher fertility rates and evangelization efforts I suspect that our victory is (eventually) assured in terms of population.

 

[poker10]

Interesting and strangely disheartening. I know that Muslim families tend to be more open to children than many western (and for that matter western Catholic) families. As far as I’m aware Islam does not expressly forbid contraception and accepts abortion to the 40th day. Consequently I see no reason why predominantly Muslim countries would now follow Western and Asian trends with respect fertility rates.

That’s good news for Catholics, in a long term way. It seems like every demographic is set to contracept themselves into extinction except for traditionalist Catholics. Between higher fertility rates and evangelization efforts I suspect that our victory is (eventually) assured in terms of population.

The Mormons may have something to say about that.

Catholics vs. Mormons!!! Who can have more kids that actually don’t fall away from their faiths!!!

 

[Not_Sure_1]

Without America’s “aggression,” Europe would be speaking German right now.

And Israel is a tiny nation under siege at all times. HOW DARE YOU call Israel aggressive?? This sounds like anti-Semitism.

I hope that is sarcasm.

Criticizing Israel or being anti-zionist is not being anti-Semitic.

 

[Not_Sure_1]

I’ll take the pink Menorah, please!



May God forever bless and keep Israel, His First People.

The Catholic Church is the new Israel.

This nation Israel persecutes the christians behind her borders.

 

[austenbosten]

The Catholic Church is the new Israel.

This nation Israel persecutes the christians behind her borders.

The same Israel that has seen it’s number of Christians go from 34,000 in 1948 to 140,000 today?

The same Israel that offers freedom of religion unlike the vast majority of the nations surrounding her?

The same nation that millions of Christians support?

You mean that Israel?

I don’t know why Jew haters gotta hate…I’ll never understand it.

 

[Not_Sure_1]

So because I have problems with Israel, that means I hate Jews.

If I have problems with Nepal, that means I hate Buddhists.

Non sequitur.

 

[austenbosten]

So because I have problems with Israel, that means I hate Jews.

If I have problems with Nepal, that means I hate Buddhists.

Non sequitur.

If your problems are unjustifiable…yes.

 

[bpcatholic]

If your problems are unjustifiable…yes.

Justifiable or not, critizing a country is not the same as critizing the predominant religion. If I critizised the United States, that would not make me anti-Christian.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Justifiable or not, critizing a country is not the same as critizing the predominant religion. If I critizised the United States, that would not make me anti-Christian.

Except that Israel was specifically formed as a Jewish nation. Different from any other - so yes criticizing Israel IS criticizing Jews.

Why do anti-Semites try to hide? Why not just come out and say what you believe?

 

[bpcatholic]

Except that Israel was specifically formed as a Jewish nation. Different from any other - so yes criticizing Israel IS criticizing Jews.

Why do anti-Semites try to hide? Why not just come out and say what you believe?

So basically you are saying that if one critzises Israel, he or she is critizising every Jew, including those who aren’t Israeli citizens?

Even if critizising Israel were to mean critizising Jews, critizising them does not make one anti-semitic. There are plenty of Jews who do not approve of Israel’s actions. There are Jews who do not think Israel should exist as a state. Does that make these Jews anti-semitic? I don’t think so.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

So basically you are saying that if one critzises Israel, he or she is critizising every Jew, including those who aren’t Israeli citizens?

Even if critizising Israel were to mean critizising Jews, critizising them does not make one anti-semitic. There are plenty of Jews who do not approve of Israel’s actions. There are Jews who do not think Israel should exist as a state. Does that make these Jews anti-semitic? I don’t think so.

I have never met such a person. Every person I have ever met or dealt with who criticizes Israel, is anti-semitic. Every single one. It doesn’t take long to uncover their hatred, either.

There are indeed, self-hating Jews. I don’t think they can be termed anti-Semitic, but self-hating seems to fit the bill. I don’t understand it exactly but then I don’t understand how many Jews can be pro-choice, either.

 

[Contra_Mundum_1]

Without America’s “aggression,” Europe would be speaking German right now.

And Israel is a tiny nation under siege at all times. HOW DARE YOU call Israel aggressive?? This sounds like anti-Semitism.

Perhaps all that ethnic cleansing of Palestinians qualifies as aggression. You see, in the rest of the world Israel doesn’t have a special status like it does in the US and it is OK to criticise its politics. As for America, the poster probably refered to the events in the Middle East that are highly questionable, not WW2.

 

[Contra_Mundum_1]

I have never met such a person. Every person I have ever met or dealt with who criticizes Israel, is anti-semitic. Every single one. It doesn’t take long to uncover their hatred, either.

I criticise Israel all the time but am not anti-Semitic. Really. I think the Jews are special people dear to God. I just wish Israel would find a somewhat better way to deal with things. Again, this is a non-American stance and it is completely acceptable in other countries. It is a whole different world out there, trust me.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

I criticise Israel all the time but am not anti-Semitic. Really. I think the Jews are special people dear to God. I just wish Israel would find a somewhat better way to deal with things. Again, this is a non-American stance and it is completely acceptable in other countries. It is a whole different world out there, trust me.

Do you criticize the nations who attack Israel? Why is it Israel that is under such a magnifying glass, when it is a democratic nation surrounded by enemies?

 

[Contra_Mundum_1]

Do you criticize the nations who attack Israel? Why is it Israel that is under such a magnifying glass, when it is a democratic nation surrounded by enemies?

I’m most certainly not justifying Muslim violence towards Israel. But I also can’t support ethnic cleansing. I don’t care who does it, it is wrong. I know it is a complicated situation and I’m glad I don’t live there. My Jewish friends are also glad they don’t live there

 

[7_Sorrows]

The Catholic Church is the new Israel.

This nation Israel persecutes the christians behind her borders.

i don’t believe in replacement theology. Israel persecutes Christians behind her borders?

 

[AngryAtheist8]

NEW YORK, July 6 (C-FAM) Fertility rates of Muslim populations around the world have almost literally fallen off a cliff, so steep has been their decline. Policy makers at the UN and elsewhere have barely noticed this.

“There remains a widely perceived notion — still commonly held within intellectual, academic, and policy circles in the West and elsewhere — that ‘Muslim’ societies are especially resistant to embarking upon the path of demographic and familial change that has transformed population profiles in Europe, North America, and other ‘more developed’ areas,” write Nicholas Eberstadt and Apoorva Shah in the June 1 issue of Policy Review.
It is generally thought that Muslim fertility rates are growing by leaps and bounds. This has fed into the panic about growing Muslim influence, especially in Europe. While Eberstadt and Shah do not deal specifically with Muslims in Europe, they do point out that fertility rates have declined all over the Muslim world and that predominantly Muslim countries have taken a steeper dive than any countries in history.

More:
c-fam.org/fridayfax/volume-15/muslim-world-faces-devastating-fertility-decline.html

I have heard isolated reports of fertility declines in Muslim countries, but I am not sure I trust this source.