Muslims and the BVM

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Michael_Thoma:
Hey David,

God bless.

I am a Catholic theology student and we just had a talk on this in one of my classes - it’s run by 3 instructors, a Catholic, a Islamic scholar, and a Rabbi - anyway, one of the students said that there are 2 schools of thought (probably more, but 2 main) on this. One thought believes Jesus will come again at the end of time and he is Messiah. The other waits for Mahdi - a Shi’a leader.

There is no consensus nor it this written in the Qur’an.

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This is where we run into trouble.

Is this Islamic scholar an Iman?

Is he Sunni, Wahabbi, Shite, Sufi?
 
I heard there’s a verse in there: it’s about Mohammad’s daughter but mentions Mary. It goes something like, “you are the fairest woman, Fatima, after Miriam (Mary).” :confused:
 
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RomanRiteTeen:
The Mohammedan religion is a cursed distortion and perversion of truth. The religion denies the divinity of Our Lord, and his Sacrifice for all men. It is a blasphemy to God.

I can only hope and pray that the practitioners will be saved, but never would I say Islam is ‘good’.

The Church teaches all religions have a morsel of the truth; sometimes I think that only morsel is “there is a deity”
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All of these you stated applies to Judaism as well, are you bold enough to state that Judaism is also a “cursed distortion and perversion of truth” and “blasphemy to God”?
 
There was a muslim sect called issawa, namely, followers of Isa, and I want that someone explanied me the druses, and allawites, there are strange things in that religion.
 
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mrS4ntA:
I heard there’s a verse in there: it’s about Mohammad’s daughter but mentions Mary. It goes something like, “you are the fairest woman, Fatima, after Miriam (Mary).” :confused:
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I did a search and was unable to find any such verse in the Qur’an. Can you be more specific?
 
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Franze:
There was a muslim sect called issawa, namely, followers of Isa, and I want that someone explanied me the druses, and allawites, there are strange things in that religion.
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I highly doubt that the majority of muslims view these sects as muslim.

Many Sunni and almost all Whabi do not even view Shites as muslim.

I think most Sunni, Whabi, and Shia do not view Sufis as muslim.
 
Out of respect for our Blessed Mother, can we not use the initails only. It is just as easy to type Mary as it is to type the initials.

The BVM just sounds like we are treating her like some inanimate object (as in BMW) as opposed to the real person whom we all love and respect.

Just my opinion,

thanks, WC
 
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RomanRiteTeen:
The Mohammedan religion is a cursed distortion and perversion of truth. The religion denies the divinity of Our Lord, and his Sacrifice for all men. It is a blasphemy to God.

I can only hope and pray that the practitioners will be saved, but never would I say Islam is ‘good’.

The Church teaches all religions have a morsel of the truth; sometimes I think that only morsel is “there is a deity”
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Perhaps you should consider being a bit less free with your curses. Judaism also “denies the divinity of Our Lord, and his Sacrifice for all men”. Is it also a “blasphemy to God”?

Islam is “good” to the extent that it preaches essential truths: that there is one God, creator of heaven and earth, who calls each and everyone of us to come to him through faith and virtue.

Irenicist
 
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Darrel:
I would have to ask what this is based on. The Blessed Virgin Mary never proclaimed this, in fact she said she was chosen by God.

Does anyone know if the Muslims are expecting a Messiah themselves?

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It’s not what some Muslims believe. It’s what some of them think Christians believe.

I could be mistaken, but my understanding is that Muslims do believe Christ was the Messiah predicted in the Jewish Bible.

Irenicist
 
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Irenicist:
It’s not what some Muslims believe. It’s what some of them think Christians believe.

I could be mistaken, but my understanding is that Muslims do believe Christ was the Messiah predicted in the Jewish Bible.

Irenicist
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The Qur’an actually uses the word Messiah in relation to Jesus.

He is the Messiah, now their understanding of what Messiah means is different than we Christians hold.
 
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Irenicist:
Perhaps you should consider being a bit less free with your curses. Judaism also “denies the divinity of Our Lord, and his Sacrifice for all men”. Is it also a “blasphemy to God”?

Islam is “good” to the extent that it preaches essential truths: that there is one God, creator of heaven and earth, who calls each and everyone of us to come to him through faith and virtue.

Irenicist
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The Judaism of the Bible does not exist anymore. It was re-invented by those who didn’t want to accept Christ, even after his truth was revealed to him. It isn’t simply a case of “invincible ignorance” for them any more.
 
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ByzCath:
I highly doubt that the majority of muslims view these sects as muslim.

Many Sunni and almost all Whabi do not even view Shites as muslim.

I think most Sunni, Whabi, and Shia do not view Sufis as muslim.
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And too Ahmadis, yes I know ByzCath that don´t view him, but they are, they follow the Quran and Muhammad too.
 
Sufi’s ARE regarded as Muslim by the Majority of Muslims

And Shi’a and Sunni regard each other as Muslims, generally. There are extremists in both that don’t, and their are extremists that are not regarded as Muslims.

Druze, Ismailis, Boras and Allawis are not regarded as Muslims by most, if any, but they fall under a loose umbrella (as JW or Mormon would fall under “Christian” in an encyclopedia, but very loosly)
 
Interestingly, many of the Druze actually fight in the Israeli Army.
 
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ByzCath:
I did a search and was unable to find any such verse in the Qur’an. Can you be more specific?
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I don’t know… I’m asking myself. Perhaps it was something that Mohammad was known of saying… :confused:
 
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mrS4ntA:
I don’t know… I’m asking myself. Perhaps it was something that Mohammad was known of saying… :confused:
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Yes it could be in the Hadith.

Now a bit more to say on our Lady and Islam.

This kind of shows what I believe about Islam, Muhammad, and the Qur’an. That Muhammad wanted to create his own religion and wrote the Qur’an with some Christian and some Jewish ideas along with some that are more to his culture.

When the Qur’an speaks of Mary, it speaks of her in a way that she is sinless. As the Catholic Church Teaches. It then makes a mistake though.

The Qur’an seems to get confused as to who Mary was. This confusion is between Miriam, the sister of Moses and daughter of Amram (Numbers 26:59), and Mary, mother of Jesus. Both names are Maryam in arabic.

In Sura 19:28 it addresses Mary as “Sister of Aron”. St Ann, Mary’s mother, is called the wife of Amram in Sura 3:35.

There is 1,500 years between Miriam and Mary. The Qur’an gets this one wrong. So if it is written by God though Muhammad, how could it get this so wrong?

They think that Moses is Jesus’ uncle.
 
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Irenicist:
It’s not what some Muslims believe. It’s what some of them think Christians believe.

I could be mistaken, but my understanding is that Muslims do believe Christ was the Messiah predicted in the Jewish Bible.

Irenicist
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Incredible,

So Muslims believe that Christ is indeed the son of God, born of a virgin and believe he was a prophet. If they believe this then they should obviously feel that what he said was of God. He made it very clear that he was the way the truth and the life and that no man comes to the father but by him.

How can they deny his teachings to this degree if they acknowledge him? They should all convert to Christianity if this is the case. The more I learn about this the more I want to say that Mohamed is a false prophet. What does the Catholic Church say about him being a prophet?

-D
 
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Darrel:
Incredible,

So Muslims believe that Christ is indeed the son of God, born of a virgin and believe he was a prophet. If they believe this then they should obviously feel that what he said was of God. He made it very clear that he was the way the truth and the life and that no man comes to the father but by him.

How can they deny his teachings to this degree if they acknowledge him? They should all convert to Christianity if this is the case. The more I learn about this the more I want to say that Mohamed is a false prophet. What does the Catholic Church say about him being a prophet?

-D
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No, Muslims believe that Christ was the Messiah, born of a virgin and believe He was a prophet. They do not believe that He was God.
 
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