"Muslims are not like christians who accept insult to their religion"

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It takes far more courage to “turn the other cheek,” than it does to go insane, put a towel over your head, run around screaming god is good, then murdering someone.
The very fact that this guy thinks it is acceptable to kill someone with whom he disagrees, just shows the world how degenerate the pagan religion of Islam really is. How can anyone that has even half a brain be so misguided as to advocate stoning young girls to death, with all the hate, with all the child sacrifice (bombers), with all the insanity. The advocates of this type of nonsense are doing great damage to their religion. I used to think Islam was a religion of peace, but boy, have I changed my mind. When every single leader of that religion didn’t come out and condemn, in no uncertain terms, the mass-murder committed on 9-11, I changed my mind completely.
We (the U.S.) needs to pull out of the Middle East and let them all kill each other—in the name of god of course. In the West Bank, in Gaza, in Iraq, and in Iran there is absolute chaos. I think we should declare a victory and pull out and let them have at it.
 
zackonattack said:
It takes far more courage to “turn the other cheek,” than it does to go insane, put a towel over your head, run around screaming god is good, then murdering someone.
The very fact that this guy thinks it is acceptable to kill someone with whom he disagrees, just shows the world how degenerate the pagan religion of Islam really is. How can anyone that has even half a brain be so misguided as to advocate stoning young girls to death, with all the hate, with all the child sacrifice (bombers), with all the insanity. The advocates of this type of nonsense are doing great damage to their religion. I used to think Islam was a religion of peace, but boy, have I changed my mind. When every single leader of that religion didn’t come out and condemn, in no uncertain terms, the mass-murder committed on 9-11, I changed my mind completely.
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Remember that this is the guy who has been trying to tell us for days now how peaceful Islam is and that we just misunderstand it… let my the nose by the news media and misinformed non-Islamic sources.

He did eventually show ‘the rest of the story’ though.
zackonattack said:
We (the U.S.) needs to pull out of the Middle East and left them all kill each other—in the name of god of course. In the West Bank, in Gaza, in Iraq, and in Iran there is absolute chaos. I think we should declare a victory and pull out and let them have at it.
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It is tempting… We should escort all Christians ( and other non-Muslim) out of the MIddle East who want to escape to safty and then just let the Muslism have at each other. Maybe we should just care about our own.
 
zackonattack said:
We (the U.S.) needs to pull out of the Middle East and left them all kill each other—in the name of god of course. In the West Bank, in Gaza, in Iraq, and in Iran there is absolute chaos. I think we should declare a victory and pull out and let them have at it.
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While I can empathize with the sentiment expressed here, in reality, it ignores the economic ties we have to the region, predominently oil.

There are strategic reasons as well, as anyone who has read Sun Tzu’s “Art of War” and Von Clauswitz’ “On War” will understand. Iraq/Afghanistan (and possibly Syria and Iran) creates a division between Islam in south and southeast Asia and that found in the Middle East and Africa.

Further, we can look at trends in India and China regarding population and resource use and know that within the next 20 years both countries are going to be faced with over-population and lack of resources. Guess which two factors have caused directly or indirectly 100% of the world’s wars? That’s right, over-population or lack of resources (those who answered religion need to go take a non-biased historical view at the root causes of war).

So not only does our involvement in the region provide a sound strategic base for the short-to-mid term commitment to the war on terror, it also positions us strongly in the sphere of influence of China and India for the longer term.
 
I certainly understand your position and we are in the Middle East because of the oil. After the Second World War the victors set up all these kindgoms, divided land or forced people to become one country like Iraq, and all of that has created a mess. I just wish that Europe and the West would stop trying to tell everyone else how to live. What we do in the Middle East is not with the purpose of helping the average Joe citizen. It is mainly, if not exclusively, for the oil and to help the big corporations protect their investment. It is this type of action that is such an insult to the Arabs. On the other hand, the Arabs have to understand that they picked the losing side in World War II and supported Hilter, of all demon possessed people. Normally, the spoil goes to the victors but you would think that things could have been handled better.
Now if these lunatic Muslims attack the United States again, I would think that we would need to take over ALL the oil fields, charge a reasonable price for the oil instead of this extorted price and let all those dictatorial kingdoms fall. It is obscene that you have a bunch of super rich people in bedsheets becoming so wealthy for doing nothing. You have these kings spreading hate around the world and spending billions of our dollars to do it. It is truly a stinking mess.
 
Talking about china, there is another area where the United States has been really stupid. We withdraw support from Taiwan, the only real democracy over there, and support a country that has murdered millions of it’s own citizens. Not only that, we say we want to “spread democracy” around the world. What a fine example we are. Abandon Taiwan, and support the brutal dictatorship of China–a country that forces people to murder their own children. Personally, i think the people in control of the U.S.–the council on foreign relations, and the other globalists and international bankers don’t care about democracy. They care about the wealthy in earch country getting wealthier, and the poor be damned. Our government is a disgrace. There motto is help the rich get richer at any cost and to hell with the middle class. They won’t be satisfied until they turn the US into another Third World country, because that doesn’t affect the super rich, just the middle class and the poor.
 
QuietTimes said:
There you have it folks he would become violent.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sometimes chose to forgive those who had insulted him, and sometimes he ordered that they should be executed, if that served a greater purpose. But now his forgiveness is impossible because he is dead, so the execution of the one who insults him remains the right of Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, and the one who deserves to be executed cannot be let off, so the punishment must be carried out.
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Interesting to read from a Muslim-recommended web site, that their so-called prophet ordered execution.
Because apparently, the sect of Islam called Ahmadis, believe their prophet never condone violence, and was a peaceful man.
Maybe they are talking about different Mohammeds :rolleyes:
 
How is it that any of you do not see any others as ‘your own’? I don’t ask as insult, but I am ever afraid of those who exclude or except certain humans from others. Perhaps it is because over the decades I have discovered that I -am- the enemy! If so…well, you win. If such a sacrifice would make you stop lusting for blood, I’d pay it, my love, my family notwithstanding, let alone my life.

Please, your arguments really do harm, not only to those you target, but as collateral damage, I beg you!
 
kellie said:
Because apparently, the sect of Islam called Ahmadis, believe their prophet never condone (did any act of* ) violence, and was a peaceful man.
Maybe they are talking about different Mohammeds :rolleyes:
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Hi
Muhammad never executed anybody for saying disrespectful words against his own self. Please ask those persons for quoting from Quran in this connection. There is none.
Thanks

The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
 
zackonattack said:
I certainly understand your position and we are in the Middle East because of the oil. After the Second World War the victors set up all these kindgoms, divided land or forced people to become one country like Iraq, and all of that has created a mess. I just wish that Europe and the West would stop trying to tell everyone else how to live. What we do in the Middle East is not with the purpose of helping the average Joe citizen. It is mainly, if not exclusively, for the oil and to help the big corporations protect their investment. It is this type of action that is such an insult to the Arabs. On the other hand, the Arabs have to understand that they picked the losing side in World War II and supported Hilter, of all demon possessed people. Normally, the spoil goes to the victors but you would think that things could have been handled better.
Now if these lunatic Muslims attack the United States again, I would think that we would need to take over ALL the oil fields, charge a reasonable price for the oil instead of this extorted price and let all those dictatorial kingdoms fall. It is obscene that you have a bunch of super rich people in bedsheets becoming so wealthy for doing nothing. You have these kings spreading hate around the world and spending billions of our dollars to do it. It is truly a stinking mess.
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Hi
So this is all political, not a religious issue, beyond the scope of this discussion forum where we discuss only religious issues from Bible/Quran and other Revealed Books. Religious people love each other and resolve issues with peaceful dialogue and discussion.
Thanks
 
QuietTimes said:
My question is this why do they initially deny this when confronted with this question? As the thread goes on then the truth really comes out. Does it usually take them this long?
I am just curious. :confused:
Or else they just dont answer.
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Why would you think that given what we have read in the link a Muslim would sense any obligation to tell a Kafir anything about his motives or mode of operation. If any Muslim thinks that any Kafir (non-Muslim) has insulted Islam he may justifiably be killed. This is the situation of countless numbers of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and Hindus around the world.

CDL
 
Ah now, it need not be political or religious, especially when we’re talking about millions and billions of people. I can say, Moslems I have known personally were plenty openminded, and yet, they did and do have the fire of Islam to kindle their hearts.

Do you wish the fires any colder? To such as myself, it all seems vain. But you will do as you will do.
 
Homosexuality does not exist. There is no natural created state that makes homosexual actions normal, therefore there are no homosexuals. Hence the accusation that someone is a homosexual is inaccurate and cruel. There are people who succumb to this perverse temptation and who find the action easier to do the more they do it but that does not constitute a created state. This progression can be seen in all sorts of unnatural destructive activities.

If someone’s actions are perverted from their natural state our reaction is to help them change and not follow their bad example. If Muhammad did in fact participate in such bad and perverse actions then he should not have followers. Christians don’t kill people because they follow bad examples. They seek to convert them.

CDL
 
paarsurrey said:
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Hi
Muhammad never executed anybody for saying disrespectful words against his own self. Please ask those persons for quoting from Quran in this connection. There is none.
Thanks

The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
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Your words are changing every time.

You say one thing, we refute it, so you reword your original statement, we refute that, and the game goes on.

Now you are saying Mohammed never executed anyone for saying bad things about himself.

You have narrowed it down now hey.

Because this is what you claimed in another thread.

Hi
It is a misconception, Muhammad was never a KILLER, but a peaceful person.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=158429&page=7

So now it is a matter of semantics is it? He never actually stabbed someone with his own hand on a sword, so that it makes it ok, however it was ok that he told someone else to stab someone to death, if they said disrespect against Islam.

Can you please clarify for once paarsurrey what it is you believe about Mohammed?

a) Did he ever kill anyone, with his very own hand, using a sword to stab someone , or his own strength through choking someone?

b) Did he ever tell someone else to do these deeds?

c) If so, was this order due to the victim saying disrespect about Islam, or Mohammed?

I just want it in your own words, no link to that site.

I want it clear your views on this so-called prophet, so these arguments don’t keep getting changed.
 
This sums our what should be our approach to one part of the Middle East.

Backing Abbas may be supporting the lesser of two evils. The problem is that it isn’t going to work. And if we know that now, perhaps this fact should shape policy just a bit?

jewishworldreview.com/0607/rubin061807.php3

CDL
 
Hi
I would like to point out to my Christian friends that I don’t subcribe to the violent denominations of Muslims; so I am not responsible for their radical views and their deeds. We are already a target of persecution ,for our peaceful stance, in many countries by hands of these people. I don’t defend them, they are mislead people and this is all politics between these Violent People and the West, it has got nothing to do with me.
Please don’t be angry with me, I will not take part in any debate on their behalf.
Please correct you moods, I will only discuss things according to what I believe. I respect you religion. I love JesusYeshuaIssa and his true followers.
May GodAllahYHWH bless you all!
Thanks
 
Paarsurrey,

You are attempting a noble thing. I suspect you are in great danger from many who ascribe to your religion. I ask God’s protection for you and that you consider converting to Christianity. I will not attack you because I believe you are attempting a noble work.

On another note: The linked article near the beginning describing how people should be killed for not being Muslim elicited this response from a friend.

"Dan,

Aside from this incredibly turgid writing, it appears that I am in some very deep do-do. If word gets out what **** I believe this “religion” is, I will surely be dead by nightfall. Lights out for Johnnie, all blessed by Mohammed back in ought-sevens, eh? Well, since I believe we are moving slowly to the big dance with these ba…ds, might as well get it on sooner rather than later."

Do we have an option?

CDL
 
paarsurrey said:
  • not in the quote, added by me.
Hi
Muhammad never executed anybody for saying disrespectful words against his own self. Please ask those persons for quoting from Quran in this connection. There is none.
Thanks

The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.
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The Hadith have many stories of Muhammad having people assassinated for speaking out against him or for leaving Islam.
 
Nepenthe said:
Ah now, it need not be political or religious, especially when we’re talking about millions and billions of people. I can say, Moslems I have known personally were plenty openminded, and yet, they did and do have the fire of Islam to kindle their hearts.

Do you wish the fires any colder? To such as myself, it all seems vain. But you will do as you will do.
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Have you ever discussed the requirement of execting apoststates and those who insult Islam with them? You might be surprised to find out how many of them believe this form of murder. Their ‘fire’ means nothing to me if they have murdous intents in their hearts.
 
GregoryPalamas said:
Paarsurrey,

You are attempting a noble thing. I suspect you are in great danger from many who ascribe to your religion. I ask God’s protection for you and that you consider converting to Christianity. I will not attack you because I believe you are attempting a noble work.
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I have told Paarsurrey before that the world needs to support his brand of Isalm… it is a from what we have seen here a good thing. So while I discuss things with him oft taking a different viewpoint, I respect his view of Islam and his sect’s attempts to make things right. He has discussed the persectution at the hand of main-stream Muslims of this fellow religious before.
GregoryPalamas said:
On another note: The linked article near the beginning describing how people should be killed for not being Muslim elicited this response from a friend.

"Dan,

Aside from this incredibly turgid writing, it appears that I am in some very deep do-do. If word gets out what **** I believe this “religion” is, I will surely be dead by nightfall. Lights out for Johnnie, all blessed by Mohammed back in ought-sevens, eh? Well, since I believe we are moving slowly to the big dance with these ba…ds, might as well get it on sooner rather than later."

Do we have an option?

CDL
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I agree. It can be dangerous to speak out our minds. It would be good if the showdown remains verbal. But I fear it will not.
 
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