"Muslims are not like christians who accept insult to their religion"

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I would like to point out to my Christian friends that I don’t subcribe to the violent denominations of Muslims; so I am not responsible for their radical views and their deeds. We are already a target of persecution ,for our peaceful stance, in many countries by hands of these people. I don’t defend them, they are mislead people and this is all politics between these Violent People and the West, it has got nothing to do with me.
Please don’t be angry with me, I will not take part in any debate on their behalf.
Please correct you moods, I will only discuss things according to what I believe. I respect you religion. I love JesusYeshuaIssa and his true followers.
May GodAllahYHWH bless you all!
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I respect that you are a part of a peaceful side of Islam, however you still did not address my issue of the violence of Mohammed.

He either condoned violence or he didnt, and if he did, and you dont, that is fair enough.

But I do get very confused by your posts as you seem to backtrack a lot, and also seem so willing to be everyones friend, that your own true beliefs get lost.

Peace paarsurrey
 
Hi
I would like to point out to my Christian friends that I don’t subcribe to the violent denominations of Muslims; so I am not responsible for their radical views and their deeds. We are already a target of persecution ,for our peaceful stance, in many countries by hands of these people. I don’t defend them, they are mislead people and this is all politics between these Violent People and the West, it has got nothing to do with me.
Please don’t be angry with me, I will not take part in any debate on their behalf.
Please correct you moods, I will only discuss things according to what I believe. I respect you religion. I love JesusYeshuaIssa and his true followers.
May GodAllahYHWH bless you all!
Thanks
Paarsurrey -

I know several muslims who are peaceful people. There are also news articles and broadcasts of muslim communities that show that they have only peace in thier hearts.

Like you, it is not these people that are the problem. It is the ones who make violence because they perceive an insult to Islam. They take into thier own hands the judgement that belongs only to God.

It is these people who keep keep christians and muslims seperated. It is these people who keep christians weary.

Our visitor Ahmed seeks to justify violence by citing teachings in the Quran. If the Quran teaches violence, we christians want no part of it. It is very offensive to the christian understanding of God and His reasons for giving us life.

Christ commanded us to “Love one another.” This is what God means to us - Love and respect for humanity…including Muslims.

Ahmed has insulted christians by callng us polytheists. We are not polytheists. It is just that we have a different experience with God than does Islam.

Peace be upon you, paarsurrey.

Subrosa
 
There are many different ways for one to respond to a religious insult:
  • violence
  • discussion
  • praying
You can use either one of them or all. Which one do you prefer?
  • why violence should be the first thing to react to an insult?
Violence is the first reaction from Muslims because Islam is a religion of violence founded by a killer.
 
Hi , y’all.

Sorry to change subjects but I have a question…

Does anyone here think that Ahmed should be allowed back?

I think we had some real dialogue going on with him and it should be allowed to continue.

It is, of course, up to the forum admin but we can ask.

Subrosa
 
Hi , y’all.

Sorry to change subjects but I have a question…

Does anyone here think that Ahmed should be allowed back?

I think we had some real dialogue going on with him and it should be allowed to continue.

It is, of course, up to the forum admin but we can ask.

Subrosa
Do you mean “ahmadhassan” or is Ahmed someone else? Was ahmadhassan banned? How do we find out when someone is banned?
 
Hi
So this is all political, not a religious issue, beyond the scope of this discussion forum where we discuss only religious issues from Bible/Quran and other Revealed Books. Religious people love each other and resolve issues with peaceful dialogue and discussion.
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“Religious” people don’t necessarily “love,” or “respect” others religion. How do you have respect for a religion (any religion) that worships stones, sticks, statutes, or any other form of paganism?

As for religious people resolve issues with peaceful dialogue and discussion tell that to the people beheaded because they refused to accept Isalm.
I understand your point, but when Muslims stop killing Christians and blowing up children I will have a “peaceful dialogue” with them.
 
Hi , y’all.

Sorry to change subjects but I have a question…

Does anyone here think that Ahmed should be allowed back?

I think we had some real dialogue going on with him and it should be allowed to continue.

It is, of course, up to the forum admin but we can ask.

Subrosa
He made some very diturbing posts yesterday. He not only acknowledged that one should be executed for insutlting Mohamend but also indicated this is he would do if her heard the insult.

His account is curretnly under review which means he wil be back.
 
Do you mean “ahmadhassan” or is Ahmed someone else? Was ahmadhassan banned? How do we find out when someone is banned?
Look under their name on one of their posts. When one is in trouble you’ll genrally see them listedas “account under review” or “suspended”. Both of these indicate they have been sat in the corner for a certain amount of time-generally from a couple days d a few weeks, if it wasy “Banned” they are gone forever unlsee thay can convince CAF to let them back in-not an easy thig to do.

The reason I know about this is becuase I have suffered all three in my time on CAF,
 
Look under their name on one of their posts. When one is in trouble you’ll genrally see them listedas “account under review” or “suspended”. Both of these indicate they have been sat in the corner for a certain amount of time-generally from a couple days d a few weeks, if it wasy “Banned” they are gone forever unlsee thay can convince CAF to let them back in-not an easy thig to do.

The reason I know about this is becuase I have suffered all three in my time on CAF,
smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/18/18_9_4.gifAnd you wear your “badge” honorably eb…
but you serve better on the ice, and not in the box:rolleyes:

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Do you mean “ahmadhassan” or is Ahmed someone else? Was ahmadhassan banned? How do we find out when someone is banned?
Yes, it is ahmadhassan whom I speak of. His account is currently under review which means that he may be talking it over with the administrator. He may or may not be allowed back depending upon whether or not he agrees to obey forum rules.

All I am saying is that we can choose to be angry or we can choose to show him the truth of christianity. You have to admit that we had him on the defensive.

Yes he did say some things that were offensive, but they are how many in the Islamic world feel (except the Ahmadi! 🙂 - see Paarsurrey)

I propose that we take this approach with him -

He MUST admit that Jeus is a prophet, therefore Jesus speaks for God. Then we teach him the lessons of God that Christ teaches reminding him that Jesus is a prophet. He may find it difficult to disagree considering Jesus’ status in Islam as prophet

There are also the other prophets in the bible which have substantially the same message.

And you have to admit that many on these particular threads who find disagreement are now “holding hands”! (Love youse guys! :grouphug: )

So what do you say? Do we ask the admin to let him back, or not?

Sub
 
what about qouting from the OT ,its not just muslims who dont accept insult to their religion but also jews do 👍
The difference is that Jews and christians do not kill people when they perceive an insult to thier religion or God. They leave it up to God’s judgement.

They do complain, they just do not kill people and burn buildings and destroy mosques, synogogues or churches.

Sub
 
Hi , y’all.

Sorry to change subjects but I have a question…

Does anyone here think that Ahmed should be allowed back?

I think we had some real dialogue going on with him and it should be allowed to continue.

It is, of course, up to the forum admin but we can ask.

Subrosa
Real dialogue?? :rolleyes:
I seriously advise you to (re)read the threads he posts in… He’s nothing but a troll, seeking to destroy Christianity using every deceiving trick in the book to get there; on top of that he advocates violence and isn’t shy to participate in it himself. (Killing you if you insult Mohammed). I really do not wish (destructive) people like this (back) on the forums!
 
Yes, it is ahmadhassan whom I speak of. His account is currently under review which means that he may be talking it over with the administrator. He may or may not be allowed back depending upon whether or not he agrees to obey forum rules.
All I am saying is that we can choose to be angry or we can choose to show him the truth of christianity. You have to admit that we had him on the defensive.
Yes we did have him on the defensive. But I believe that we need to stand up to people who believe in executing or murdering those who believe differently. I’ve seen this horror in action so it scares me when someone agrees as he did. It’s not an idle threat from mainstream Islam by any means.
Yes he did say some things that were offensive, but they are how many in the Islamic world feel (except the Ahmadi! - see Paarsurrey)
The only think he said that bothered me is that bit about killing apostates and those who insult Islam or Muhammad and that taking war captives as salves and giving male captors sexual rights to the women captives is acceptable. The rest of it is just discussion. In this he was giving us as hard a time as we were giving him.
I propose that we take this approach with him -
He MUST admit that Jeus is a prophet, therefore Jesus speaks for God. Then we teach him the lessons of God that Christ teaches reminding him that Jesus is a prophet. He may find it difficult to disagree considering Jesus’ status in Islam as prophet
He already admits that Jesus is a prophet. That is a basic tenant of Islam. No problem there.
There are also the other prophets in the bible which have substantially the same message.
And you have to admit that many on these particular threads who find disagreement are now “holding hands”! (Love youse guys! )
So what do you say? Do we ask the admin to let him back, or not?
Sub
I think that first he will need to be convinced that the NT is not mostly a false document. He, like many Muslims, believe that Jesus never said most of what is in the NT. How will you convince him that Jesus even taught those things?
I have no problem with him coming back. However, he needs to realize in his hearts of hearts that threatening people, on this forum or otherwise is not acceptable. His contention that Christians do not stand up for their beliefs if wrong. We just do it in a much different way… one of them being not allowing murderous threats and such. If he wants to participate here, I am sure that the moderators will… well ‘moderate’ his views on that one.
 
Re: Ahmed: Isn’t it better to be able to see your enemy than not to be able to see him? If he is banned we will not see him but he will still be as much an enemy to civiliazation than if we could see what he is thinking. If we intimidate him into pretending that he is peaceable what has anyone gained?

If I’m not to ask these questions in public please delete my post and I’ll send a pm to the admin.

CDL
 
Re: Ahmed: Isn’t it better to be able to see your enemy than not to be able to see him? If he is banned we will not see him but he will still be as much an enemy to civiliazation than if we could see what he is thinking. If we intimidate him into pretending that he is peaceable what has anyone gained?

If I’m not to ask these questions in public please delete my post and I’ll send a pm to the admin.

CDL
But do we then give him a platform to spread his beliefs which are a physcial threat to us and to the Christians who live in his country? I have mixed feelings on this.
 
The Hadith have many stories of Muhammad having people assassinated for speaking out against him or for leaving Islam.
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Hadith is not the primary source of Islam. It was collected two/three hundred years after the death of ProphetMessenger Muhammad, most of it is fabricated by the vested interest. Muhammad is not responsible for the fabrications. Hadith is only reliable if it is in line with Quran, otherwise not. Muhammad was peaceful and caring of the fellow human beings, these people have tarnished his image for their own selfish motives.
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Muhammad had a marvelous record of a peace loving person for 40+13+2=55 years, he joined in welfare activities if there was any in Mecca, he helped the needy and in distress, he stood for the human cause, he never harmed any person. His record in these 55 years is clean by any standards.
 
Hi
Hadith is not the primary source of Islam. It was collected two/three hundred years after the death of ProphetMessenger Muhammad, most of it is fabricated by the vested interest. Muhammad is not responsible for the fabrications. Hadith is only reliable if it is in line with Quran, otherwise not. Muhammad was peaceful and caring of the fellow human beings, these people have tarnished his image for their own selfish motives.
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Bless your soul Paassurrey… you have a good one. But 99% (or so) of Muslism disagree with you… They base Shariah law and many other parts of Islam on the Hadith.

Many Hadith were collected shortly after the death of Muhammad because people like Aisha (his child bride) recorded them…
 
He made some very diturbing posts yesterday. He not only acknowledged that one should be executed for insutlting Mohamend but also indicated this is he would do if her heard the insult.

His account is curretnly under review which means he wil be back.
He indicated that that is what he said he would do…I think he is a keyboard jihadi, if he was to be faced with someone who defended himself his all conquering zeal would melt away like an ice cream in an oven.
 
Best if we not derail this thread more with talks about certain people. 🙂
 
But I do get very confused by your posts
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I don’t confuse anybody, at least that is my intention. A happy smiling face of a human being whatever his religion, pagan or atheist, I like that and I would prefer to see that rather than a confused and upset person. I think it is inhuman and I would never confuse anybody .
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Kindly let God speak for Claim and Reason on every issue and you would know the truth for sure.
 
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