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SteveVH
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lol. Not hardly.St. Steve Athanasius
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Mount_Carmel
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hasantas - I give you great kudos for seeking out the truth and trying to understand the nature of God, which is of course ultimately beyond the full comprehension of anyone other than God Himself.
As for the Trinity, well firstly most of the references to God in Hebrew, going back to Genesis in the Torah and Old Testament uses the plural form of the word for God.
That aside, it is in the nature of God to love and be loving with an intensity that is far beyond our understanding, Real abiding LOVE requires interplay and exchange, it is not Narcissistic in nature. Within the one God there is an interplay and exchange that Jesus and we Christians refer to as the persons of the Father and Son, and that the LOVE and DIVINE power and direction is the/their Holy Spirit.
As for the Trinity, well firstly most of the references to God in Hebrew, going back to Genesis in the Torah and Old Testament uses the plural form of the word for God.
That aside, it is in the nature of God to love and be loving with an intensity that is far beyond our understanding, Real abiding LOVE requires interplay and exchange, it is not Narcissistic in nature. Within the one God there is an interplay and exchange that Jesus and we Christians refer to as the persons of the Father and Son, and that the LOVE and DIVINE power and direction is the/their Holy Spirit.
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Kaninchen
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Not really.As for the Trinity, well firstly most of the references to God in Hebrew, going back to Genesis in the Torah and Old Testament uses the plural form of the word for God.
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Mount_Carmel
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Yes, really, even Jewish Hebrew scholars admit this.Not really.
The OT also alludes several times, some claim hundreds of times to the coming Messiah, and in Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”
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Kaninchen
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Like who?Yes, really, even Jewish Hebrew scholars admit this.
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Mount_Carmel
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They do not go with the ‘Trinity’, but they run with an honorarium of attributes/natures.Like who?
As I also say, there are many allusions to a Messiah, and of His special nature.
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Kaninchen
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Well, you’d have to explain all that.They do not go with the ‘Trinity’, but they run with an honorarium of attributes/natures.
In your later addition to your post. While I realise that, as a Christian, you believe that there are hundreds of allusions to Jesus in the Tanakh (Old Testament to you), you have to appreciate that we Jews don’t accept that view at all.As I also say, there are many allusions to a Messiah, and of His special nature.
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KjetilK
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No, I don’t believe he was crucified.
Unfortunately you won’t find a single serious scholar of history that agrees with you.
You choose to ignore a historical document that was compiled less than a 100 years after the event it described in favour of a document compiled almost 600 years after the event it described. Why?
Still waiting.BUMP. Still waiting for an answer.
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SteveVH
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Me too.Still waiting.
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dronald
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There isn’t really a good answer. There are answers but they’re quite bad.Me too.
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SteveVH
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Yes. And those answers run counter to known history as documented even by those who were not Christian and had no dog in the hunt.There isn’t really a good answer. There are answers but they’re quite bad.
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dronald
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And also the lack of logic in any belief that Allah would deceive his earliest believers in Jesus so that they would all become Christian and create what is now (and has been for quite some time) the largest Religion in all the world.Yes. And those answers run counter to known history as documented even by those who were not Christian and had no dog in the hunt.
Muslims don’t even know the names of the ‘true’ first Disciples, what happened to them, and how to reconcile the Qurans passage about the Disciples becoming “dominate” over the non-believers.
There’s really no good explanation… Trust me I’ve looked everywhere.
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