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kimmielittle
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IMHO this is nonsense.
How about a link source ] to this.
I must admit, you seem to come up with some far-fetched interpretations about Christianity and Islam.
As always, just my thoughts
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Vile_Servant
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Isnât Dajjal supposed to come at the end of the world, during the Qimayah? and now you said that heâs come already?
Islam is one very confused religion!
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planten
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Yes, Vile Servant. Thanks for reminding me about that matter. You are right. But there is mention in the Hadith about it that dajjal was locked up some where in an island, in the time of our prophet. If you try to check the Hadith about Dajjal, there is much news in the Islamic books.Isnât Dajjal supposed to come at the end of the world, during the Qimayah? and now you said that heâs come already?
Islam is one very confused religion!
I am not an expert on Hadith. It is stated in Hadith that Dajjal was (in the shape of some person) locked up in chains. It was predicted that it will come out in later times, as you have reminded.
There is no word âDajjalâ in the Quran. But it is mentioned in the Hadith that every prophet had warned his nation about the bad works of Dajjal (The anti-christ). I state some news about Dajjal as it is mentioned in Hadith. (But that is liable to interpretation.)
- It is said that Dajjal will be one eyed. He will have two eyes but one right eye will be damaged.
- He will come out of the church.
- He will have a donkey, special donkey, who will be very big. There will be a distance of 70 yards between the two ears of that Donkey of Dajjal.
- That donkey will carry loads of food and merchandise.
Even though word Dajjal is not found in the Quran but the word Dhaaleen is a good substitute for dajjal.
Vile Servant, if you know more about Dajjal then please tell us. We know that Jesus had warned his followers against wolf in sheep clothing. He had said that many will come in his name. But they will be wolves in sheep clothing. These words of Jesus clearly absolve Muhammad from being any Dajjal. Muhammad came in the name of Allah, not in the name of Jesus.
Moreover, Muhammad did not come as a christian. So both conditions are not met, not fulfilled. You should look for Dajjal who was a christian and who used the name of JesusâŚ
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Vile_Servant
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there is a vast difference between Allahâs Word and Allahâs She-Camel (or house, for that matter). The Word of Allah is the Divine power of Allah, for Allah says âBe!â, and it is. Allah created all things by His Word and gave mankind divine teaching by His Word. A She-Camel is, well, pretty much a She-Camel.
Therefore, Jesus being the Word of Allah is One in being with Almighty God the eternal Father and Creator.
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spn82756
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A religion founded by Satan has nothing better to do than confuse. Isnât that apparent?Isnât Dajjal supposed to come at the end of the world, during the Qimayah? and now you said that heâs come already?
Islam is one very confused religion!
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hamba2han
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Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him. ⌠Al-Qurâan, Surah Al-Ikhlas
Surah Al-Ikhlas is the touchstone for recognizing the Creator and Sustainer.
If anyone can satisfy all of the above conditions, then Muslims would have no objection in accepting that someone as being Allah Almighty.
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him. ⌠Al-Qurâan, Surah Al-Ikhlas
Surah Al-Ikhlas is the touchstone for recognizing the Creator and Sustainer.
If anyone can satisfy all of the above conditions, then Muslims would have no objection in accepting that someone as being Allah Almighty.
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spn82756
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A religion founded by Satan has nothing better to do than confuse. Isnât that apparent?
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spn82756
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allah schmallah. he/she is not God almighty. The FatherâŚSonâŚand Holy Spirit make the One True God Almighty. The rest are from Satan.
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chrisb
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With all due respect, before this Surah was recorded we had from Blessed John these challenging words:
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. (1Jn 2:23)
We, as Christians, know the Father through His Son whom He gave all thingsâŚ
The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand. (Joh 3:35)
This authority will be exercised on that Dreaded Day of Judgment when we all will stand before Him (the Son)âŚ
For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. (Joh 5:22-23)
I understand that you, representing your faith in Islam, must hold to your own beliefs in this but you must recognize that such statements are not compatible with our Revelations. As Christians, those who place their faith in Christ and preservere to the end in that faith, will stand before the Judgment Seat as you will. Truly, we will all answer for our works, be they good or bad. Let us, at least, hope that He Who Is is most Merciful and Compassionate. Amen.
Peace Salaam.
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planten
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Thanks Chrisb⌠Please note:
Hamba is right. Hamba is presenting the Quran. We do not know how to convince the catholics. Catholics have got wrong notions about many things. We Muslims do not deny the son i.e. Jesus. We do not deny the father, i.e. God. We do not deny the holy ghost. So what is the problem?. It is only a small problem of nomenclature. Catholics are trying to build a relation of father and son.
Yet they do not know in what sense is jesus the son of God. Is he a born of God? Is Jesus a breathed son of God? Is Jesus a begotten son of God?? If begotten then in what way begotten?? In the real (literal) sense of the word in which the word begotten is used in BibleNT in Mathew Chapter 1 verses 1,2,3�? Is this begotten some symbolic sense, say spiritually begotten?
That is the problem of the Catholics. We Muslism believe in The God and we believe in Jesus as the messenger of God. We believe in the holy spirit too. But we do not follow the old theory of Abb (Father). We have the Rabb (The Creator, maintainer, sustainer) of the Universe.
No harm. The Father will surely love the son. We believe that God gave things to Jesus. You cannot know the Father (God) without the son (Jesus). That is also true. WE do not disagree with that.
Okay. Admitted.
(Joh 5:22-23)
Okay, any one who does not honor the son (Jesus) does not honor the father (God). That is true. But please remember that you keep that honor for the son (Jesus) only. Do not spread it further into other lower fields.
Yes, okay. Thanks. Let us not fight or blame each other. We will all have to stand for judgement on the last day. The righteous will be rewarded. The culprits (sinners) will be punished. I agree to you for that. So let us all hope for the best. Is it okay with you?
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spn82756
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WellâŚif you accept the doctrine of the Trinity there is no problem.
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chrisb
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In all fairness, we Catholics, are not âtryingâ to build a relationship of Father and Son. No, that was established before the first words of the Quran was uttered during the Great Councils of the Church. When we speak of one âdenying the Sonâ we are speaking of one denying the divinity of the Son and the Essential Unity between the Father and the Son. I assume that you, as a Muslim, deny, No?
The Sacred Text are not for âusâ to interpret but for the âChurchâ (i.e. the Body of Christ) to interpret within the Life of the Church. We must be participates in that Life. It is only then that such divine things are revealed. If it was merely by means of our exercise of reasoning then the dumb, would be left out⌠No, there are many who are very educated in St. Paulâs time who refused Jesus as the Christ. Why are we now going to assume that such spiritual understanding is simply the work of our minds? It is not.
The Logos dwelt with God, and was God and it was âthatâ which came down and dwelt among us in the Incarnation which was our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Even in this you share in the Platonist Teachings of the One but you donât recognize the Logos or the World-Soul as divine. We, Catholics, do recognize these âeternalâ relationships within the Divine Godhead, if not first person through mystical encounter through the Dogmas past down to us by those spiritual forefathers who did encounter the Godhead themselves.
Blessed John doesnât simply say The Father loves The Son, here but says, that He gave The Son âall thingsâ⌠My guess is that, as a Muslim, you deny this.
[qutoe]Okay, any one who does not honor the son (Jesus) does not honor the father (God). That is true. But please remember that you keep that honor for the son (Jesus) only. Do not spread it further into other lower fields.
We acknowledge, The Son as Our Lord and Judge. He is the Son of the Father and it is in His Hands that is held âall thingsâ. What The Father has, also has He. Amen.
I have not reached low to draw forth a stone against you or Hamba. I havenât blamed you for anything and it is true that we both with stand before the Dreaded Judgment Seat and give account. I pray for us both that on that day we will be both be counted among those who receive mercy. Amen.
Peace Salaam.
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SonofAdam
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Context is very crucial here. The point is why is he called âThe Wordâ?(Not by your understanding but by the Islamic perspective). Jesus was created by the word âBeâ according to 3:56 from Qurâaan and this is what Qatadah said. The scholars of Qurâaan have said that the best way to interpret Qurâaan is by the Qurâan itself. Anything that is not Allaah is something created by Him. The âSpiritâ of course was created by Allaah as the Prophet(peace be upon him) has already said and bestowed upon Jesus. Therefore, âRuhullaahâ was to honor Jesus. âSpiritâ is also Angel Gabriel who assisted all of the messengers on their mission. Jesus taught a high sense of spirtuality and not really having to do with this world, hence the reason why the priest donât marry. That is talked about here: youtube.com/watch?v=vMkSW6bLUE0
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SonofAdam
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Ibn Kathir quoted Qatadah(may Allaah be pleased with him). Qatadah is a scholar of the Qurâaan who learned from the Companions of the Prophet(peace and blessings upon him).
Context is very crucial here. The point is why is he called âThe Wordâ?(Not by your understanding but by the Islamic perspective).The scholars of Qurâaan have said that the best way to interpret Qurâaan is by the Qurâan itself. Jesus was created by the word âBeâ according to 3:56 from Qurâaan and this is what Qatadah said. Anything that is not Allaah is something created by Him. The âSpiritâ of course was created by Allaah as the Prophet(peace be upon him) has already said and bestowed upon Jesus. Therefore, âRuhullaahâ was to honor Jesus as already explained. âSpiritâ is also Angel Gabriel who assisted all of the messengers on their mission. Jesus taught a high sense of spirtuality and not really having to do with this world, hence the reason why the priest donât marry. That is talked about here: youtube.com/watch?v=vMkSW6bLUE0
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SonofAdam
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Again, your understanding is way out of context. When âWord of Allaahâ is applied to Jesus the son of Maryam, it does not mean that He is Allaah or that he is eternal. You have also missed the whole point as to why She-Camel of Allaah (Naqatullaah) and House of Allaah(Baitullaah) was brought up. It belongs to Allaah, yes like all things are owned by Him, but specific things are highlighted to show their importance. So whatever the rule applies to then it is applied to all that fall under it, not because it fits your whim.
As Hamba already stated, chapter 112 in Qurâaan is very important to understand.
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GerrardLerux
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There is quite a bit here that I disagree with, but I only have time here to point out the obvious. First of all, there is no reason for Allah to have a camel [Q 7.73] unless he is riding it. That is why the she-camel has such importance. Allah canât get around Arabia without it.
The House of God motif in Islam is a direct copy-cat from the OT design that Jehovah dwelt in his Temple. In fact, Muhammad also thought that his god dwelt in Mecca in the form of a rock that Muslims still prostrate to 1500 years later.
If I get time, Iâll post a rebuttal to the notion that Gabriel is also the Spirit. Later, I hope to adress the gnostic sacrilege that these possession of God are merely symbolic [House, Son, People, etc.]. Iâll use both the Bible and the Quran as my sources.
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planten
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Gerrardlerux, you are without a well known faith as youhave not declared your faith, You do not understand the imporatnce of the houses of worship and that they do have a direction too. If you do not know it about the Jews then youare an uninformed person. Those who pray, they need a direction too. No harm.
Did Muhammad (Peace on him from Allah) in the very beginning know the imporatance of direction. Why he was praying facing Jarusalem?? He did that fo 14 years. Did he know from day one that his relgion will spread all over teh world. Mosques will be built and they will need a direction.
Every muslim needs a agreed direction in every city, every home, every country. You are just joking when you say Allah may need camel. What abot your Jesus God. Will he need a Buke?
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Vile_Servant
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no problem.
you have just confirmed that Muslims do not deny the Holy Trinity.
blessings.
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