Muslims posters: a polite point

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I would suggest to Muslim posters, politely, that if they want people here to show Islam respect that they should stop spamming spurious Muslim science, trying to proselytise and in other ways disrespecting the faith of the majority of posters (which is in fact against the forum rules). It’s natural when certain posters start asserting that the Bible has been translated wrong and that Jesus was a Muslim that people get offended by such blasphemy. Just a suggestion:thumbsup:
 
The golden rule… do unto others as you would have others do unto you 🙂
 
jako is blocked so i haven’t read him , only his title, but i will say “practice what you preach”.
 
Jedda said:
jako is blocked so i haven’t read him , only his title, but i will say “practice what you preach”.
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it’s a bit stupid to reply to a thread that you haven’t read isn’t it?
you make the false accusation that Catholics “pray to dead people” (which you know full well is not true), then complain about any reaction? it’s not real:confused:
 
jack Hawkins said:
it’s a bit stupid to reply to a thread that you haven’t read isn’t it?
you make the false accusation that Catholics “pray to dead people” (which you know full well is not true), then complain about any reaction? it’s not real:confused:
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OK, so I had to peek, you are relentless and 100% reason why I will distance myself from organized religion, you are very vindictive and misguided and have a feeling of self righteousness. You dont love you enemy’s you loath them. YOU are NOT the kind of person who follows Jesus ,you are hateful person to anyone who has questions! It is all over your posts. As much as I learn here, you make it all a bunch of **** with your condescending ways.
If it was that easy the whole world would be catholic , right, 👍 well then apparently their is room for questions if the population of the world is not catholic.
Its NOT that easy to just hop over the fence to join people like you…maybe you should try it in a more kinder manor if you want to get your point across .
Have a great day!:rolleyes:
 
BumpSetSpike said:
The golden rule… do unto others as you would have others do unto you 🙂
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hola

the golden rule only commands us to treat people the way we would want to be treated… it does not promise that other people will actually follow in kind.

about this topic… i think it is a good point, if certain posters did not post cut paste polemical threads or attempt to proselytize then many of the Catholics users would be less frustrated.

but Catholics should consider the feelings and frustrations of muslims who happen across this forum, join it and before posting a single thing they see many revenge threads posted by Catholics against muslims. to them, this is a tremendous slap in the face for no reason. so they feel insulted and compelled to respond…

that is why i think this bickering is self perpetual… in my opinion the best thing would be to report offenses instead of returning insults in kind, let the moderators enforce the rules…

Dominus Vobiscum
 
jack_hawkins said:
I would suggest to Muslim posters, politely, that if they want people here to show Islam respect that they should stop spamming spurious Muslim science, trying to proselytise and in other ways disrespecting the faith of the majority of posters (which is in fact against the forum rules). It’s natural when certain posters start asserting that the Bible has been translated wrong and that Jesus was a Muslim that people get offended by such blasphemy. Just a suggestion:thumbsup:
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There is a difference between having different opinion about the nature of who Jesus was , a God or prophet and calling another Prophet, a murderer or a dictator.

There is a difference between talking about the Bible as a book that have been subjected to human alteration, and calling the Quran names ( Demonic , evil etc…)

I think a reasonable fair person call tell the difference. One is a difference of Opinion and the other is an insult.

Prozelytation is a subjective thing. While i can be talking simply to inform you about Islam you can take it as prozelytation. I am against spamming, but i dont recall any muslim spamming the forum here .

salam
 
meedo said:
Prozelytation is a subjective thing. While i can be talking simply to inform you about Islam you can take it as prozelytation. I am against spamming, but i dont recall any muslim spamming the forum here .

salam
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I’m also on a Muslim forum. Their rules say no proselytizing, and I don’t. At least not intentionally. Yet, the other day, in simply correcting a false statement that a Muslim attributed to Christianity, I was accused of promoting Christianity. As you say, what is simply setting the record straight by one, might be understood as proselytizing to another.

This is a Catholic forum; I think you have to play by Catholic rules here.
 
My understanding is that when Muslims say Jesus was a Muslim they don’t mean to say that he was a follower of Mohammed, but rather that he submitted to the one, true God. “Muslim” means submission or submission to God.
 
Jedda said:
OK, so I had to peek, you are relentless and 100% reason why I will distance myself from organized religion, you are very vindictive and misguided and have a feeling of self righteousness. You dont love you enemy’s you loath them. YOU are NOT the kind of person who follows Jesus ,you are hateful person to anyone who has questions! It is all over your posts. As much as I learn here, you make it all a bunch of **** with your condescending ways.
If it was that easy the whole world would be catholic , right, 👍 well then apparently their is room for questions if the population of the world is not catholic.
Its NOT that easy to just hop over the fence to join people like you…maybe you should try it in a more kinder manor if you want to get your point across .
Have a great day!:rolleyes:
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well Jedda, I will admit I hate Islam. that is to be expected, as unlike Hinduism and Buddhism it distorts the message of Christianity and blasphemes by saying that Jesus and “Muhammad” are both messengers
you may find me confrontational with Muslims - I have been confrontational with you over your accusation that Catholics “pray to dead people” because you must clearly know this isn’t true if you have brought up Catholic, and in any case many people have explained this is not the case
sometimes error has to be confronted like this
sometimes not
I am not attacking you, just the ideas that you are expressing
I am full of questions myself, you will see my questions all over this forum - so I have no problem with questions. I have a problem with people misrepresenting the Church even after they have been informed tho
 
To clarify a point by meedo or some other Muslim,

Calling Muhammad a murderer or a bandit is merely acknowledging the truth of what he was - it is not disrespectful to tell the truth.

Calling Muhammad a murderer is like calling Jesus a healer. The difference is merely in the action - acknowledged by their respective scriptures/believers/traditions.

If you just want everyone to gloss over Muhammad’s behavior and eulogize him as the perfect human being for all time (like Muslims like to do) you’ve come to the wrong place.
 
meedo said:
There is a difference between having different opinion about the nature of who Jesus was , a God or prophet and calling another Prophet, a murderer or a dictator
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you have to try and appreciate the viewpoint of the majority of the forum
it is a matter of historical fact that the man who called himself “Muhammad” waged wars, raided caravans and had people assassinated
Christians will find it at least as offensive for you to say that Jesus was just a Prophet as opposed to the son of God, as you find historical comments about Muhammad
There is a difference between talking about the Bible as a book that have been subjected to human alteration, and calling the Quran names ( Demonic , evil etc…)
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well I have never found a Muslim actually prove that the Bible has been altered significantly, so that comment should not be made unless the poster is willing to back it up
the Koran was written by a man who falsely claims he heard from God. that counts as evil. many of the passages are evil
I think a reasonable fair person call tell the difference. One is a difference of Opinion and the other is an insult.
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according to your subjective opinion that is?
you can’t expect necessarily people to be objective here - it is a Catholic forum. Muslim forums are even more restrictive
Prozelytation is a subjective thing. While i can be talking simply to inform you about Islam you can take it as prozelytation. I am against spamming, but i dont recall any muslim spamming the forum here
salam
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well there has been spamming, by hamba2han
eldon has been trying to proselytize
proselytization is not entirely subjective at all - obviously exactly where you draw the line is subjective but there are some activities which can be clearly seen as proselytization

You cannot expect Christians to give Islam the respect you think it deserves. You cannot expect us to believe that the Koran is holy, that “Muhammad” was a good man, when there is ample evidence that this is not so. You can expect us not to give gratuitous offence, although that has a subjective element
 
hola everybody,

maybe meedo has a point… would it be so difficult for the forum to create a standing definition of what is meant by “proselytism?” that way when muslims or anyone for that matter considers joining they will know what topics are appropriate and what topics are not appropriate. if a muslim learns that it is considered inappropriate for them to post about the quran or things of this nature… then they can decide for themselves if they still want to join.

is this not a good idea?

Dominus Vobiscum
que Dios te bendiga non Catholics
 
well, in some cases it is pretty clear eg eldon (now banned) saying that if you really want to follow Christ and the bible you should become a Muslim!!!
the people who are trying proselytize know they are doing it
 
jack Hawkins said:
well Jedd, I will admit I hate Islam. that is to be expected, as unlike Hinduism and Buddhism it distorts the message of Christianity and blasphemes by saying that Jesus and “Muhammad” are both messengers
you may find me confrontational with Muslims - I have been confrontational with you over your accusation that Catholics “pray to dead people” because you must clearly know this isn’t true if you have brought up Catholic, and in any case many people have explained this is not the case
sometimes error has to be confronted like this
sometimes not
I am not attacking you, just the ideas that you are expressing
I am full of questions myself, you will see my questions all over this forum - so I have no problem with questions. I have a problem with people misrepresenting the Church even after they have been informed tho
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JUST because I was brought up catholic does not mean I know every thing about the church, I didn’t know Jesus was God (?) until I was in my 20ys, I never sat down and thought about it until then. And I even went to a catholic school. Go figure!
As for praying to dead people, I honestly could not get it, and it was not because was slow. To a little kid it DOES look like they pray to dead people and it was never explained as I grew up, and when I converted to Islam the idea was reinforced from people who didn’t know and just “heard” about it. We dont truly think about religion until we are older , as I did.
just because someone posts a answer does not mean I understand it or how they view the subject matter, it is easy for you because you understand it, I find it hard to just take someones advise and believe I seed to see for myself and ask lots of questions. I was turned away as a child because I asked a lot of questions , so I gave up and I get that same feeling from this site some times. Just because its easy for you does not mean its easy for me.
 
Rodrigo_Bivar said:
To clarify a point by meedo or some other Muslim,

Calling Muhammad a murderer or a bandit is merely acknowledging the truth of what he was - it is not disrespectful to tell the truth.

Calling Muhammad a murderer is like calling Jesus a healer. The difference is merely in the action - acknowledged by their respective scriptures/believers/traditions.

If you just want everyone to gloss over Muhammad’s behavior and eulogize him as the perfect human being for all time (like Muslims like to do) you’ve come to the wrong place.
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I have to take exception with this post. And it is not because of any great love I have for Muhammad. But because of the word - “murderer” - that was chosen.

Words carry with them both definition and connotation. For instance, is a soldier who kills someone a murderer? Now, if that solider burst into your house and killed someone you loved, you would probably say “Yes”. But, if that soldier is the one you love, and he tells you that he had to do so because he thought there was a threat coming from that house to him and his men on patrol with him, you would probably answer that same question, “No”. The events haven’t changed. Everyone would admit that the soldier did indeed kill somone in the house, but whether or not the soldier was a murderer would be determined to a large part of your preceptions of the righteousness or wrongness of the soldiers actions with respect to the lives that were taken. From that perspective, though Muslims aknowledge that Muhammad took human life, they would never recognize that Muhammad was a murderer, but rather a defender of his faith and his people.
 
of course Muslims must have justified Muhammad’s actions, as a way of avoiding cognitive dissonance
it doesn’t change the fact that he ordered that someone be killed for mocking him
to me that is unacceptable, and the way of labelling it unacceptable is to call it “murder”
to a Muslim it may well be defending the faith but that does not exclude it being murder
otherwise there would be very few people ever prosecuted for murder if they could wriggle out of it that way
shock tactics to make people realise the nature of “Muhammad” are acceptable
 
And shock tactics is what ultimately undermines each and every one of the discussions in NCR.

Best bet would be to argue logical points on merit and proceed with the charity, intellect, and mercy that God wishes of us.
 
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