Muslims posters: a polite point

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Further to my comments about speaking the truth versus Bowdlerisation, I would like to quote one of the passages in the Bible where those opposing God are boldly reproved:
Acts 13: 6-12
When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a magician, a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus, who was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence. This man summoned Barnabus and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.
But Elymas the magician (for so his name was translated) was opposing them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith.
But Saul, who was also known as Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, fixed his gaze on him, and said, "You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord?
“Now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you will be blind and not see the sun for a time.” And immediately a mist and darkness fell upon him, and he went about seeking those who would lead him by the hand.
Then the proconsul believed when he saw what had happened, being amazed at the teaching of the Lord.
 
Jedda said:
JUST because I was brought up catholic does not mean I know every thing about the church, I didn’t know Jesus was God (?) until I was in my 20ys, I never sat down and thought about it until then. And I even went to a catholic school. Go figure!
As for praying to dead people, I honestly could not get it, and it was not because was slow. To a little kid it DOES look like they pray to dead people and it was never explained as I grew up, and when I converted to Islam the idea was reinforced from people who didn’t know and just “heard” about it. We dont truly think about religion until we are older , as I did.
just because someone posts a answer does not mean I understand it or how they view the subject matter, it is easy for you because you understand it, I find it hard to just take someones advise and believe I seed to see for myself and ask lots of questions. I was turned away as a child because I asked a lot of questions , so I gave up and I get that same feeling from this site some times. Just because its easy for you does not mean its easy for me.
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**I guess you were’nt paying attention for over 20 years. What were you doing? You never asked what people were doing when you thought they were “praying to dead people”? Nobody would give you an answer to your questions? It sounds like you are ill-informed about both religions to me. **
 
Jedda I apologise if I had you wrong, I assumed that you would have been taught this based on my experience of RCIA where I learnt in a period of 6 months or so. Of course cradle Catholics may not get the same teaching so I apologise for assuming:o
 
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Valke2 said:
If I spent every post discussing atrocities committed by the Church during the Crusades or the INquisition, and the antisemetisim inherent and blatant in the Gospel of John and in Paul, I could argue that I was telling the truth about the Church. And that thefact that these facts hurt and were ugly doesn’t detract from them being honest. However, doing so would I believe violate the spirit, if not the rules, of this forum.
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I will have to re-read the Gospel of John to look for the anti-semetisim?] as for Paul he was spreading the “Good News” to the ‘Gentile’ world. Were there wrongs that took place in the Catholic Church’s history? Yes. Has the RCC tried to ‘atone’ for those wrongs? Yes. Are the Priests of RC chuches telling their parishinors to go out and blow up non-believers? No. Next question.
 
jack_hawkins said:
Even Muslims know that Muhammad had someone assassinated, but to avoid cognitive dissonance they don’t see it as murder somehow. It is also part of the circular way of thinking where Muslims see everything “Muhammad” did as OK, therefore having sex with an 8 year old is OK. Why skirt around the issue? He was a murderer plain and simple. If you have someone killed for mocking you, that is murder - there is no opinion about that.
Your comment about slander is therefore completely missing the point.
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King David is also a murder?
 
Valke2 said:
King David is also a murderer?
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Yes he is/was
is he the “Seal of the Prophets” held up as an example for all mankind for all time? No
was he punished by God? Yes
does the Bible condone his actions? No
does the Bible record the many consequences of this sin on him and others? Yes
 
jack_hawkins said:
Yes he is/was
is he the “Seal of the Prophets” held up as an example for all mankind for all time? No
was he punished by God? Yes
does the Bible condone his actions? No
does the Bible record the many consequences of this sin on him and others? Yes
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But it is interesting to note, that Islam would also say that David (and all the prophets) were perfect in the same way that it is said of Muhammad. Muslims just say it a lot more of Muhammad because they talk about him all the time as he is the one who gave them the Quran.

I, myself, I hold no such allusions to any person being perfect, only Christ. And even he was accused by some of breaking the law in reference to the Sabbath. So, in Jesus we have a lawbreaker who was nonetheless sinless. Interesting conundrum, isn’t it.
 
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  • It is acceptable to seek the truth vs. commonly-held beliefs or conventional wisdom about actual events.
  • It is fallacious reasoning to use embarrassing incidents to claim that they “prove” a particular religion is false.
  • Expecting members of any Church to defend or answer for the excesses or extremism of bodies that have broken with it is a technique that has no merit and can’t be defended.
*It is our observation that discussion of such past events rarely serves a useful purpose and inevitably opens a thread to posts that violate forum rules and/or the bounds of civil discourse. So, while such threads may be useful, they raise a red flag for the Moderation staff.
 
I don’t see how that policy is fair with respect to comments about Muhammad for the reasons I have posted above and elsewhere, and as such would make it difficult to discuss Islam at all
It would be unfair for Muslims to be given special treatment therefore
 
jack_hawkins said:
I don’t see how that policy is fair with respect to comments about Muhammad for the reasons I have posted above and elsewhere, and as such would make it difficult to discuss Islam at all
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Well the discussions have been happening for three years or so… I’m not sure what else to tell you.
 
Rachel_Malloy said:
Well the discussions have been happening for three years or so… I’m not sure what else to tell you.
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well I just wanted some clarification of your comment above - since the devil is in the detail - can we discuss the life and personn of Muhammad or not?
 
jack_hawkins said:
well I just wanted some clarification of your comment above - since the devil is in the detail - can we discuss the life and personn of Muhammad or not?
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I believe this is quite detailed and should take care of any of your questions.

Just develop your post as you would normally, then compare it against the following guidelines:

Guidelines
For both Catholic and non-Catholic posters:
  • It is acceptable to question the doctrine or dogma of another’s faith
  • It is never acceptable to question the sincerity of an individual’s beliefs
  • Bringing up historical controversies peculiar to a particular religion should be done cautiously*
  • It is acceptable to discuss the effect the incident had on current policy or practice.
  • It is acceptable to seek the truth vs. commonly-held beliefs or conventional wisdom about actual events.
  • It is fallacious reasoning to use embarrassing incidents to claim that they “prove” a particular religion is false.
  • Expecting members of any Church to defend or answer for the excesses or extremism of bodies that have broken with it is a technique that has no merit and can’t be defended.
    As I said, this forum has been discussing Islam for nearly 3 years … if you want specific examples of conversations, please do a search for relavent terms and investigate the threads.
 
well we shall see if discussion of Islam is inhibited over the next few days anyway, as people may feel that these guidelines are a bit unclear as to specifics and fear being banned inadvertently
there is no mention of what happens when someone posts that Christians here are going to face the wrath of Allah etc because they disagree with what a Muslim is posting (as happened recently)
 
jack Hawkins said:
well we shall see if discussion of Islam is inhibited over the next few days anyway, as people may feel that these guidelines are a bit unclear as to specifics and fear being banned inadvertently
there is no mention of what happens when someone posts that Christians here are going to face the wrath of Allah etc because they disagree with what a Muslim is posting (as happened recently)
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Something similar happened to me.

This is a BIG reason I left Islam; I was constantly told the koran said those who do not believe will go to hell, no exceptions. Not all think this, except the “free thinkers” if you will, such as I and my Dh. It is very frustrating to hear that especially right after my mother passed away, I wanted the Mosque to say a prayer for my mother and I was denied and told she did not deserve our prayers. I guess that put everything in perspective for me.

I did have things happed to me that proved to me (Revelations/ visions, what every you want to call them); their is a heaven and a kind God for all people, not just some selected few.
So I am thankful I left and never felt better about my decision.
 
Jedda said:
Something similar happened to me.

This is a BIG reason I left Islam; I was constantly told the koran said those who do not believe will go to hell, no exceptions. Not all think this, except the “free thinkers” if you will, such as I and my Dh. It is very frustrating to hear that especially right after my mother passed away, I wanted the Mosque to say a prayer for my mother and I was denied and told she did not deserve our prayers. I guess that put everything in perspective for me.

I did have things happed to me that proved to me (Revelations/ visions, what every you want to call them); their is a heaven and a kind God for all people, not just some selected few.
So I am thankful I left and never felt better about my decision.
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That’s such a shame about your mother, esp at such a difficult time - you need all the support you can get and reassurance that she’s going to a better place; may she rest in peace
I would hate anyone to spout fire and brimstone, non-Christian or Christian - it’s almost like wishing it on people sometimes
like you say, God wishes that everyone be accepted into heaven
I must apologise personally for any and all hurtful comments I have made to you:o
 
jack_hawkins said:
That’s such a shame about your mother, esp at such a difficult time - you need all the support you can get and reassurance that she’s going to a better place; may she rest in peace
I would hate anyone to spout fire and brimstone, non-Christian or Christian - it’s almost like wishing it on people sometimes
like you say, God wishes that everyone be accepted into heaven
I must apologise personally for any and all hurtful comments I have made to you:o
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:hug1: :blessyou:
 
jack_hawkins said:
TY:hug1: back- you’re very gracious:)
how long ago did your mother die?
I lost my mother about 2 and a half years ago so I can relate:console:
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She died Jan 2,2006.
Very sad and very devastating and a shock to us all, she was 56!
 
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