Muslims say they will conquer the world...

[lozo]

I will agree with your previous statement that taking some scriptures from the quran, you could find ways to argue a point they feel superior, but in the same breath what religions dont have scriptures, that cause you to look at another group as inferior? also as regards to palestine you are correct there are christian arabs i never contested that, infact i believe in one of my previous posts i pointed that fact out. But also there are christian arabs who ahve been colonized as well thrown out of there homes in fact if you want you could watch a movie called promises, its a documentary showing both sides arguments from the point of view of the children. Either way the point i was making is the Jews clearly are using there faith the old testament of the bible to justify killing, Colonization, and false imprisonment of many arab people muslim, and christian. Also i dont believe the christian Arabs who lost there homes would at all side with the Jews who really shouldnt be considered a state, inferring that a state would be ones nationality seeing as being jewish is a religion not a race

 

[Pythons]

i never said there werent religiously extreme muslims there are,

They are not extreme Muslims lozo - they are PRACTICING or devout Muslims…
…Fortunately of the over 1 billion Muslims the best estimates is that only 15% or thereabouts are devout.
…I can’t speak for Jews because I’m not one but a Muslim has nothing to fear from a devout Christian.
…When is the last time you heard of a devout Christian running into a Pizza place yelling Jesus Joseph and Mary - and blowing themselves up?
izo:

But there are also religiously extreme jews, and also religiously extreme christians. The muslims are no more extreme than any other religion.

Again, I can’t speak for Jews for religious extreme Christians don’t blow themselves up while blowing up other people…
…This is simply a fact izo.
izo:

The Catholics conquered many lands, forcing there religion upon people, in fact its still happening today.

What land did the Catholics invade and FORCE people at sword point to convert?
izo:

As we type to eachother over our computers there is colonization going on all over the world from different religions. Point and Fact the Jews in palestine which you have still not responded to.

In what way do you believe that the Jews ended up with the property they now possess izo?
…I would be interested in hearing what you understand about Palestine, Historically?
izo:

Historically speaking The Crusades which you have still not shed any light on whatsoever. youre simply pointing your finger at muslims saying bad islam bad, you still havent answered any questions about western religions philosophies, or historical slaughters.

You would first have to understand WHY the crusades were initiated in the first place…
…Is it your understanding that the Christians drove the Muslims out of Jerusalem before they initially were there?

 

[lozo]

See but now youre more or less getting my point if you actually see how youre arguments have changed. Im not anti-jew, anti christian, or anti islamic my point is simply all religions have violence tied to them. we can look at any religions and point out bad aspects of them.The muslim faith has bad people in it as does christianity or any other group Jew or Whatever. the point is we shouldnt persecute a whole religion persecute the bad, accept the good. I know plenty of nice catholic people plenty of good Muslims, and pretty much any religion i think the majority of people are good. i could pick bad ones from each religion and say bad Islam or Bad Christians, that would be easy but i think your bible, as well as there Quran, The Jews old testament all have some teachings of acceptance. All have an underlying theme of treating others how you want to be treated.Dont persecute the belief persecute the person who uses there belief to justify evil. Thats my point. Go to Dearborn michigan youll beable to meet plenty of overall nice people of the muslim faith. same as you would im sure if you looked for the nice ones in iraq or anywhere else. Nice people Are simply nice people no matter what their religion is. Bad people are bad no matter what their religion is.There simply is no golden religion, no one religion is better than another no matter how you look at it. Im certainly no man of faith to any organized religion. Just an outsider looking in.

 

[lozo]

They are not extreme Muslims lozo - they are PRACTICING or devout Muslims…
…Fortunately of the over 1 billion Muslims the best estimates is that only 15% or thereabouts are devout.
…I can’t speak for Jews because I’m not one but a Muslim has nothing to fear from a devout Christian.
…When is the last time you heard of a devout Christian running into a Pizza place yelling Jesus Joseph and Mary - and blowing themselves up?

well ive never heard of a christian blowing themselves up so to speak. But you do have to understand That there is a war going on,and the playing field is far from level, they do not have the same weapons we posses.i in no way would support an oppressive regime in any faith so im glad we are attempting to take the Taliban out( My president did that obama killed osama) and i think that most muslims are greatful the taliban has been stopped as well ( watch the movie osama which is not about osama but a non fiction picture showing the atroceties that muslim women were put through during the talibans reign) i dont believe most muslims do have anything to fear from most christians just as i feel most christians dont have much to fear from most muslims, seeing as i believe the majority of them are good(speaking of both christians and muslims).As far as the jews in palestine i think its awful what there doing im glad you are pro palestine. i know plenty of nice Jews though i dont hate any group i simply dont see a need for the paranoia that we are being fed from right wing groups its simply a hate tactic to justify unjustifyable killings

Again, I can’t speak for Jews for religious extreme Christians don’t blow themselves up while blowing up other people…
…This is simply a fact izo.

What land did the Catholics invade and FORCE people at sword point to convert?

In what way do you believe that the Jews ended up with the property they now possess izo?
…I would be interested in hearing what you understand about Palestine, Historically?

You would first have to understand WHY the crusades were initiated in the first place…
…Is it your understanding that the Christians drove the Muslims out of Jerusalem before they initially were there?

 

[lozo]

Also my understandings of the crusades are im sad to say limited ill probably read more about them later.I do however understand they were conquest, which means they were wars of land, which i think is immoral i think people shoud beable to share land with others no matter there religious beliefs, nationality skin color. i think that we need to accept people no matter what there beliefs, i dont care what god someone belives in its not a concern of myn.

 

[lozo]

The jews forced palestinians out of palestine i mean thats very clear. people were moved out of there homes into camps. these people have land ownership papers and most of them tie gigantic keys that were to there homes around there neck.There are borders set up so people cant cross into jerusalem or really anywhere in palestine freely they have to obtain permits. Theres no way possible to say that this wasnt there land

 

[lozo]

I also know that the Jews use the old testament as an excuse for there actions claiming god promised the land to abraham. Not trying to poke to much fun at anyones religious belief but i do find humor in the fact that the i believe the story went, that he was speaking to a burning bush that presented its self as god( this seems schizoprinc to me) perhaps i view it like this because i dont fully understand religion, psychology i do understand. but this burning bush promised his people jerusalem so now the Jews feel god gave them this land, based mainly upon Abrahams statements that burning bush told him that this would be his land

 

[lozo]

I know that last statement may make me seem prejudicial in some ways. i just want to say no matter what your religion if youre speaking to a burning bush i think you need serious medication and counseling

 

[lozo]

The Crusades were a series of military missions, usually organized and promoted by the Pope and/or Roman Catholic Church. The crusades took place through the 11th and 13th centuries A.D. The original intent of the crusades was to recapture “Christian” lands that had been invaded by Muslims.

The Crusaders used the Christian cross as their symbol. They believed that the symbol of the cross made them invincible against the armies of the Muslims. The word “Crusade” came from the Latin word for “cloth cross.” Eventually, the word “crusade” was used to describe the entire journey from Europe to the Holy Land.

this came from a christian source not a source that i would consider to be necessarily un biased but the pope did indeed sanction these crusades

 

[lozo]

also spain was conquered by christians

 

[dzheremi]

Spain was originally Christian before being invaded by Muslims, though. That’s why it was called a “reconquista”. And they had really done nothing to antagonize the North African Muslims who would overrun the Peninsula.

 

[lozo]

My guess on how it rolls out.

The majority of the Christians in North America ( specifically the U.S. ) are so worthless they elected a man who has no problem killing babies…
…In fact the Politically Correct crowd MINORITY has the majority flat out on the run.
…Eventually things will get so bad the general idiot will think Sharia Law is a good idea.

also i would have to say you god in the christian belief is also pro choice

God will punish women by aborting their fetus through a miscarriage.

“Give them, O LORD–what will You give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.” (Hosea 9:14)

God teaches the use of a bizarre ritual using cursed “bitter water” to abort a fetus who was conceived through infidelity. (Numbers 5:11-21)

God orders Moses to kill every Midianite woman who was no longer a virgin. (many of these women would obviously have been pregnant) (Numbers 31:15-18)

God promises to destroy the infants of Samaria and rip open the stomachs of pregnant women.

The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. (Hosea 13:16)

God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah to be ripped open.

At that time Menahem, starting out from Tirzah, attacked Tiphsah and everyone in the city and its vicinity, because they refused to open their gates. He sacked Tiphsah and ripped open all the pregnant women. (2 Kings 15:16)

God commands the killing of infants and nursing babies.

Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. (1 Samuel 15:3)

God repays your enemies by destroying their babies.

Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us. He who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. (Psalms 137:8-9)

 

[lozo]

that most definently didnt seem pro life to me not the bible i read

 

[lozo]

and id like to see anyone try to argue a point about that those are direct quotes from the christian bible

 

[lozo]

oh and another forced conversion from a catholic would be adolf hitler again im not for or against any religion just arguing points

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

Very disturbing video; youtu.be/Ne6W3ceMc_cin Belgium the largest religious group are the muslims; because they are not affected by modernism, they are the only ones that make kids…50 years they will be the majority and they want to change democracy into sharia, the muslim law…
Somebody forgot something on those immigration papers…
And they are allowed to skip evolutionism in the science classes!!!? How did they do it?

The one thing I heard disturbing was from a video of a Mid Eastern Christian who said the islamist slogan was “First Saturday, then comes Sunday.” It was alluding to the fact of the islamist “jihad” against the Jews, then afterward the Christians.

 

[Ion]

Because God said it, it was the right thing to do.
But I don’t think it meant that they should always do it, like a practice of war.

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

oh and another forced conversion from a catholic would be adolf hitler again** im not for or against any religion just arguing **points

Seems like you are more against than for some religions.

 

[lozo]

My guess on how it rolls out.

The majority of the Christians in North America ( specifically the U.S. ) are so worthless they elected a man who has no problem killing babies…
…In fact the Politically Correct crowd MINORITY has the majority flat out on the run.
…Eventually things will get so bad the general idiot will think Sharia Law is a good idea.

Because they long forgot what they had so when when it turns full circle they will lap up Islamic rule like a dog laps it’s own puke…
…The sad thing is that the wacko special interest minority groups such as PFLAG ( stuff like that ).
…WILL be among the 1st to be rounded up and slaughtered.

One simply needs to look at what France has on it’s hands currently, it had to pass emergency laws…
…Just to prevent a full blown Muslim take over.
…Same with Norway and a host of other places.

People are generally stupid and those who thumb their nose at history are frankly doomed to repeat it…
…Frankly they deserve it - the rest of us don’t.

 

[dzheremi]

The problem, lozo, with presenting verses as you have is that the context you are presenting them in is not the context in which they were either written or historically understood. You have presented these verses to say that ‘God’ is not pro-life because the verses talk about killing children or making barren mothers. However, in the context of their use and interpretation within the Church, it would make no sense to advance such shallow, surface-level understandings of the texts. Consider, for instance, this short explanation of Psalm 136/137 by Eastern Orthodox Archbishop Paul of Finland, from his book The Faith We Hold:

During the Vigil for the three Sundays before Great Lent, Psalm 137 is sung. It begins with the words “By the waters of Babylon, there we sat down and wept, when we remembered Zion.” The last verse of the Psalm, reads as follows: “Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!” The little ones of Babylon symbolize just those involuntary sinful thoughts and images which come to our minds as described above. They must be destroyed the moment they are born, and dashed against the rock. And this rock is Jesus Christ.

You will notice that this psalm has a context in which it is sung, and that its interpretation is tied to its place in the liturgical life in the church. Such it is with any verse you might quote, which could have various interpretations depending on the tradition of the particular community you’re looking at (for instance, in my church the so-called “Alexandrian tradition” of biblical interpretation, which is heavily metaphorical, developed in the early centuries of Christianity, long before any modern abortion debate). In this case, the Fathers clearly hold a metaphorical understanding (I have read sayings of the Desert Fathers – who were 3rd-5th century monks and hermits in the deserts of Egypt, Syria, and Palestine – which say essentially the same thing as Abp. Paul has said above). This makes sense, as it is not foreshadowing a literal historical event. Its context is exile, bitterness, and fear of losing their connection to their homeland, not war.