Muslims Unhappy With Pope’s Address

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FightingFat said:
What is important is that we let go of the stereo types and work together to talk and live in peace as human beings- as brothers and sisters- as children of the one true God.
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Do you really think that this is possible? Also - do we really worship the same God? Christians and Muslims seem to have radically different perceptions of the nature of God. The Christian view is exemplified by the Gospel of John - Love. I’m not sure the God that Muslims worship can be described as a “God of Love”.
 
Craigmaddie said:
Do you really think that this is possible? Also - do we really worship the same God? Christians and Muslims seem to have radically different perceptions of the nature of God. The Christian view is exemplified by the Gospel of John - Love. I’m not sure the God that Muslims worship can be described as a “God of Love”.
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Their concept is of God is similar to the limtied revelation of God in the Old Testament. You should read the chapter from Hillaire Belloc’s “Great Heresies” on Islam–he says Islam is a Catholic heresy. Islam is in essence dumbed-down Catholicism (which was the point for Muhammed). They have the same basic view of the all virtuous God, but Muhammed got rid of all the divine mysteries that man cannot fully comprehend–like the Incarnation/Crucifixion/Ressurection, Trinity, and Sacraments. Their idea of God seems less loving to us because by removing the mysteries they have removed God’s intimate encounter with man so God becomes less personal, more distant, and therefore appears colder and less loving–but it is Muslim doctrine that God is all loving.

As for the OP, the pope spoke nothing but facts. Muhammed himself waged holy wars and it is Muslims who perpetrate the most violence today just as they did in the past. All Christian “holy wars” were reactions to violent Muslim aggression.

I say bravo to the pope. 👍
 
I think it’s very interesting that the quote of :
Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.
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did not get a reply to the actual question/statement. Did the people and or groups upset with the quote come back with the “show me” part? If someone said, “show me the Catholic faith’s good, I see only evil and inhuman acts,” we as Catholics might be upset, but we would dump the examples of the lives of a plethora of saints into the discussion actually showing the good being asked to be seen.

All the upset groups need do is show us the good and the remark will be rebutted. Then let the hearers discern for themselves.
 
I wonder how unhappy these Muslims would have been if the Pope’s speech was followed by a series of car bombs throughout the middle east. I think a little perspective is in order. The Pope was not inciting violence like so many Imams, he is clearly on the side of peace. But peace is a two way street. I applaud the Pope for speaking the truth.
 
I think the Holy Father spoke nothing more than the simple truth. I’m afraid for him now, but I wouldn’t have him change a thing he said. God bless and preserve His Vicar, Pope Benedict XVI, and set the holy angels about him to protect him.
 
In view of the Holy Father’s encyclical on the Love of God, how could he NOT denounce violence in the name of faith? How could he NOT draw the distinction? The main point that i see is that the Holy Father was saying that love is the way to go. The fact that the Muslim world has a problem with it, and are radiating hatred, yes hatred NOT “offense”, proves that the religion contains the violence that the Holy Father alluded to.

Now if only some of the American Bishops had the same prophetic backbone of the Holy Father…
 
ByzCath said:
You are most likely right. It would have been watered down to actually say nothing of importance. Maybe this is why his council was merged and he was given a new job.

Interreligious Dialogue is not about saying only what other religions want to hear. It is about the Truth.
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Good point. What Benedict has been doing is claiming that religious tolerance works both ways and that Islam is not demonstrating it toward Christianity, Judaism, & probably every other religion on the face of the earth, which is indeed the truth. Islam screams for respect, yet it affords none to anyone else.
 
Craigmaddie said:
Do you really think that this is possible? Also - do we really worship the same God? Christians and Muslims seem to have radically different perceptions of the nature of God. The Christian view is exemplified by the Gospel of John - Love. I’m not sure the God that Muslims worship can be described as a “God of Love”.
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Yes my friend I really do. Having worshipped with Muslims and spoken a great deal with them (following the inspiration of the late Holy Father) they are just like us and have the same hopes and aspirations.
You are correct in your assertion that Christianity is the religion of love, some have suggested that this can be contrasted with Islam as the religion of justice. Of course this doesn’t mean the exponents of either faith display these enviable qualities!
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It’s interesting to me how we react to the reaction to the Pope’s words.

(Disclaimer…I think those who are reacting badly are wrong).

Anyway…

The Pope did say something very challenging in his address. That quote taken out of context could upset a great many people, which is what is now happening.

Come back over to our shores…it happens all the time that Bishops, priests, deacons are quoted out of context on what they preach and teach.

So isn’t a little hypocritical to get upset over this?
 
“He has a dark mentality that comes from the darkness of the Middle Ages. He is a poor thing that has not benefited from the spirit of reform in the Christian world,” Kapusuz was quoted as saying by the state-owned Anatolia news agency. “It looks like an effort to revive the mentality of the Crusades.”
(From the Fox News website)

What “spirit of reform in the Christian world” is this person referring to? Does he mean the doctrine of moral and religious relativism promulgated by the theologians in the West? It is too bad that, thanks to the ideology of the theologians in the West, we have allowed the Truth to become relativised by “the spirit of reform” to the point of becoming toothless. We should not hurt anyone with Truth, but the Truth, by its very nature, will correct and adress what is wrong. The Truth has and always will…hurt.

We, in the West, need to repent.
 
Does anyone see the irony in Muslims comparing Benedict XVI to HITLER???
I thought the holocaust was a myth!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek:😛
 
What “spirit of reform in the Christian world” is this person referring to? Does he mean the doctrine of moral and religious relativism promulgated by the theologians in the West? It is too bad that, thanks to the ideology of the theologians in the West, we have allowed the Truth to become relativised by “the spirit of reform” to the point of becoming toothless. We should not hurt anyone with Truth, but the Truth, by its very nature, will correct and adress what is wrong. The Truth has and always will…hurt.
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We, in the West, need to repent.
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Succinct and spot on!
 
“The pope has thrown gasoline onto the fire … in a world where the risk of a clash between religions is high,” said Haluk Koc, deputy head of the Republican People’s Party, as a small group of protesters left a black wreath in front of the Vatican’s embassy in Ankara.
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Do they realize there aren’t enough Christians willing to fight a war of religions?
 
Well, one thing I will say. It certainly seems to be galvanizing Christians of all stripes and has them coming to the Pope’s defense if other forums I’ve seen this morning are any indication.
 
What a mess…

One thing that I think is freeing for the Pope…at age 79, he doesn’t need to worry about what he says…as long as what he says is for the good of the church.
 
We’ll see how peaceful Islam is when they start bombing Churches over this. Give it a week and full scale riots will ensue.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
I think the Holy Father spoke nothing more than the simple truth.
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Not all truths are appropriate to speak on every occasion. When he meets with Jewish leaders, Benedict could recite the Old Testament genocides against nearby tribes, remind them how Jewish leaders were instrumental in the crucifixion of the Lord, and so forth. He wisely chooses not to speak such truths.

I think it is appropriate that he take a harder line and stress the importance of reciprocity from Muslim nations more loudly. Repeating a centuries-old claim that only evil has come from Islam does not seem to be promote most of the goals of the Church. I hope that gonzaga is correct, and it is part of a carefully thought out scheme from which we’ll reap benefits down the road.
 
Saint_Michael said:
We’ll see how peaceful Islam is when they start bombing Churches over this. Give it a week and full scale riots will ensue.
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They’ve already confiscated newspapers in Indonesia so the Islamic Street doesn’t get upset, I believe.
 
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