Muslims, what exactly do you believe?

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What happened to this thread?! Please everyone, this tread was meant to learn about Muslim beliefs! If this continues on attacking the Muslims, I will close this thread!
The most common mistake made on these threads about Islam is the sheer inability of some not to be able to distinguish between IDEAS and PERSONS. Would you be so kind as to point out which posts [by number] attack Muslims as PERSONS?

BTW, according to your header, you are a junior member. How can a junior member shut down a thread? I highly suspect you are a Muslim posing as a Christian in order to intimidate Christians into an unreasonable reluctance to analyze Islam critically and to squash their free speech rights through self-censorship.
 
Thank you dear Khadaveri,

If you consider Ahmadis as heretics because they believe in another prophet after mohammed, what about Christians who dont believe in mohammed at all? What do you consider them as? 🙂
Well Christians don’t claim to be Muslims anyway.
 
The most common mistake made on these threads about Islam is the sheer inability of some not to be able to distinguish between IDEAS and PERSONS. Would you be so kind as to point out which posts [by number] attack Muslims as PERSONS?

BTW, according to your header, you are a junior member. How can a junior member shut down a thread? I highly suspect you are a Muslim posing as a Christian in order to intimidate Christians into an unreasonable reluctance to analyze Islam critically and to squash their free speech rights through self-censorship.
Wow, I honesty didn’t except this to come from a fellow Catholic. How can you say that?! I am a Catholic and I have been one my entire life!!! I believe that Jesus Chirst is God. My GOD! As well as yours. I started this thread simply to learn more about Islam and then this happens. Alright, I am longer going to continue with this thread even if it is mine. Anyone is else is able to continue to discuss.
 
I think you are taking that message wrong. It is not offensive, or I didn’t take it that way.

Sometimes the truth is not nice and pretty.

I would like you to make sure you learn from a group of people who are not Muslim because they are not bound by rules of deception to spread Islam. They do not see it as a good deed and a requirement to get to heaven. I called them ex-Muslims. Even if you don’t want to take my word for it go to the ex-Muslims. They are all very consistent in their message about Islam.

Here is a bit that I wrote up in a totally different website. Some of this I took from the book of Sharia laws and some from an article that I don’t have the reference to on hand.:
One belief of Muslims is the permissibility to deceive us, taqiyya. This is a part of Islam and Muhammad said that it was good to deceive if it advances Islam.
Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.
“Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam.
Muslim scholar Bassam Tibi explains: At its core, Islam is a religious mission to all humanity. Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world. ”We have sent you forth to all mankind” (Q. 34:28). If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call (da’wa) can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them.
In Islam, peace requires that non-Muslims submit to the call of Islam, either by converting or by accepting the status of a religious minority (dhimmi) and paying the imposed poll tax, jizya. World peace, the final stage of the da’wa, is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam. Muslims believe that expansion through war is not aggression but a fulfillment of the Quranic command to spread Islam as a way to peace. The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war . Islamic wars are acts of “opening” the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Quran and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the dawa, are blamed for this state of war, for the dawa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them. Only when Muslim power is weak is temporary truce (hudna) allowed (Islamic jurists differ on the definition of temporary).
 
I can’t help it if Muslims are supposed to wage Jihad.

I don’t see your criticism very helpful either. Discuss the points rather than bashing and maybe there might be something useful to come from it. You generalize too much. What point do you find in error?
 
To all responding in the last hour or so…

I repeat…If the Angel Gabriel told Mary she would have the Son of God…The Great I am…Eternally Begotten of the Father…

Then who was the angel gabriel that told mohammad that Jesus was not God? I’m sorry. That had to be an angel of Satan. No other being has more to gain than the denial of Christ’s divinity. I don’t understand any defense of the religion of islam. Now…that being said…that is different than attacking persons in particular.

Sorry…I asked an apologist to address this question and they refused. It was not worthy of answering.
 
I got that one from faithfreedom.org - article, Islamic Hypocrisies.
We hear Muslims believe the Black Stone circled in Mecca is conscious and will testify for and against them on Judgment Day (though they will deny it, the stone and ritual is based on a pagan deity). Meanwhile Muslims all over the world gleefully bring down ‘un-Islamic’ idols, statues, and figures representing deities in other religions. The physical manifestation of Allah, in the form of a conscience stone, is an important core of Muslims’ connection with deity. A pillar of Islam states that every individual must make a pilgrimage to the stone and pay homage. Having done so, a good Muslims can then return to his/her home and with greater piety plot violence against pagan idol worshipers of all sorts.
 
J C, the qwerk , a protestant, is protesting against Islam now. Previously it was the protest against Catholic faith.
 
I got that one from faithfreedom.org - article, Islamic Hypocrisies.
qwerk, that was bad to take something from some site. We have a book, Quran, and a long good history. Why don’t you come from the front door.

qwerk, you are a protestant. I heard the Protestants have 30,000 sects (or 36,000). I feel that you people have no faith at all. You are protesting. Protesting against what?? When you have no faith then any faith is better than you.

Can any one imagine 30,000 differing kinds of protestants??? That is a Hell of a large number of protestants.
 
qwerk, you are a protestant. I heard the Protestants have 30,000 sects (or 36,000). I feel that you people have no faith at all. You are protesting. Protesting against what?? When you have no faith then any faith is better than you.
So planten…if qwerk was Catholic…would you accept that faith? Once again…more gibberish from a muslim.
 
qwerk, that was bad to take something from some site. We have a book, Quran, and a long good history. Why don’t you come from the front door.

qwerk, you are a protestant. I heard the Protestants have 30,000 sects (or 36,000). I feel that you people have no faith at all. You are protesting. Protesting against what?? When you have no faith then any faith is better than you.

Can any one imagine 30,000 differing kinds of protestants??? That is a Hell of a large number of protestants.
Really 30,000 sects???, wow, if that is the case, then mohammed is a failed/false prophet because he prophesied that Christians and Jews will be split into 71/72 sects, not 30,000!!

Dawud :: Book 40 : Hadith 4579 Narrated AbuHurayrah:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.
 
Steven John, mosques are for prayers to be offered to the One God. They should be open to all worshippers who believe in One God. The mosques are not for political purposes or for spreading hatred amongst different faiths. There should be no announcements from the mosques agianst Jews or Hindus or chrstians…
this is true here it is Allahs house and Christians and Jews are also welcome to come and worship. But not being monotheistic Hindus would not be welcome to worship in the mosque.
I would consider some of the khutbah (sermons) to be anti Hindu given they are based around Quranic teaching.
I cant personally comment with authority as i dont really know much of them but from what i do know they seem not too far from the 360 gods ideology Islam may have been sent to refute.

Hindus for the town are very welcome and invited to Eid celebrations and Allah’s bounty as fellow humans.

All humans are called to live in peace, those who submit to Allah are called to protect those that don’t, thus it is best to discourage them from false prayer and worship at the mosque.

A mosque is a place where Shatan (Satan) is rebuked and The One and Only G-d is worshipped and prayed to.
You please keep on trying for the unification of all faiths.
All monotheistic faiths are unified it is men that are trying to divide the truth.
If your Yeshua (pbwh) is Jesus then I am with you. I believe in Yeshua a.s.=pbwh.
Most Muslims i know refer to him as Isa (pbuh) I cant understand the linguistic translation and have yet to find a scholar that can explain.
You have a wider lens on Islam than most I meet.

May Allah bless and guide you.
 
Maybe he doesn’t know why Islam is false.

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
  1. Do not worship other gods.
Worshipping Allah is worshipping another god.
Peace and blessings,
who you against here? you quoted a guy a guy who states his religion as Catholic.
For simplicity i stopped at the first one.

Better i jump in before he posts against you for he in good conscience would not let you slam a Muslim for the beliefs held same by Catholics. Your teams will divide, a house divided will fall. My Fathers house has not division but has unity in loving patience. Where i live long gone are the Catholics vs Protestant days of embracing difference.

I am not saying you have no right to be concerned and rebut posts but would much prefer you focus.

As i do with Protestant i hold great love and respect for Catholics as we walk together.

I stand for you in standing against your bagging Catholic beliefs against what i see as someone else who professes to worship the G-d of Abraham.

This Sunday coming Catholics will share John 8:1-11 i assume from some of your other posts you would not have told Yeshua (pbwh) you were with out sin.

I love you Brother and seek to encourage you to be more like Yeshua (pbwh), my Protestant brethren i walk with tell me they are called to be like him.

Bless you pray well and stay well.
 
To all responding in the last hour or so…

I** repeat…If the Angel Gabriel told Mary she would have the Son of God…The Great I am…Eternally Begotten of the Father…**Then who was the angel gabriel that told mohammad that Jesus was not God? I’m sorry. That had to be an angel of Satan. No other being has more to gain than the denial of Christ’s divinity. I don’t understand any defense of the religion of islam. Now…that being said…that is different than attacking persons in particular.

Sorry…I asked an apologist to address this question and they refused. It was not worthy of answering.
can you cite for me what the bible said about this event , please
 
Muslim believe in one god.
Allah
and his last prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
 
this is true here it is Allahs house and Christians and Jews are also welcome to come and worship. But not being monotheistic Hindus would not be welcome to worship in the mosque.

A mosque is a place where Shatan (Satan) is rebuked and The One and Only G-d is worshipped and prayed to.

May Allah bless and guide you.
Hello John,

Christians and Jews are not allowed to travel to Makka and Madina, So how can you say that we are allowed to pray in mosques?
 
can you cite for me what the bible said about this event , please
Dear Elwill, here is what the Holy Bible says.

Scripture: Luke 1:26-38
26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, “Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!” 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be. 30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end.” 34 And Mary said to the angel, “How shall this be, since I have no husband?” 35 And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. 36 And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37 For with God nothing will be impossible."38 And Mary said, “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.
 
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