Muslims: Why would God make a revelation that is contradictory to the revelation of Jesus?

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NextElement said:
Having read a lot of the Quran, I can tell you that Jesus is mentioned about every other page, and Mary is near that.

Why should Muhammad’s daughter be considered the holiest woman of humanity?!
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I don’t have an answer for you except what I have been told. Maybe he thought his daughter was the holiest woman.
 
jakasaki said:
They don’t believe in the “ultimate sacrifice” of Jesus.

The Islamic Isa/Issa/Jesus is a totally completely different character in the Islamic/Quran.
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Yet, Muslims will unashamedly try to convince Christians that some part of the Bible have been tampered with. They need to make up their minds. Can’t have your cake and eat it.

MJ
 
That’s called a loaded question; and loaded questions are best left as they are. It would be like if I asked a christian “How can you reject Islam in light of the fact that Jesus never died?”. Within the question lies a big assumption. Do you see what I mean?
 
drac16 said:
That’s called a loaded question; and loaded questions are best left as they are. It would be like if I asked a christian “How can you reject Islam in light of the fact that Jesus never died?”. Within the question lies a big assumption. Do you see what I mean?
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The trouble Drac is Christians don’t claim the Quran has been tampered with.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Who’s James White? Sounds like a Johnny come lately. :hmmm:

MJ
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He’s been doing his thing longer than I’ve been alive. James White is a christian apologist, debater, elder [at his local church] and the host of a radio show called The Dividing Line. He runs a ministry called Alpha and Omega Ministries.

Anyhow, one of his theories of the Qur’an having become changed, corrupted or whatever word you want to use, is that, before the Qur’an was canonized by the third caliph, Uthman [may Allah be pleased with him], there were variations of opinions as to what texts ought to be canonized and what shouldn’t. Uthman’s reading differed from that of two notable companions, Ubay ibn Ka’b and Ibn Mas’ud; James White is correct about this. How big were these differences is another dissertation in and of itself. He [Dr. White] probably mentioned this argument in his latest book, ‘What Every Christian Needs To Know About The Qur’an’, but I have yet to pick that up (I probably will though, relatively soon, inshallah).
 
drac16 said:
He’s been doing his thing longer than I’ve been alive. James White is a christian apologist, debater, elder [at his local church] and the host of a radio show called The Dividing Line. He runs a ministry called Alpha and Omega Ministries.
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And The Church has been around 2000 year before this so called Dr. James White. He doesn’t speak for the Church. Unauthorized and (clearly) despise for Catholicism.
Anyhow, one of his theories of the Qur’an having become changed, corrupted or whatever word you want to use, is that, before the Qur’an was canonized by the third caliph, Uthman [may Allah be pleased with him], there were variations of opinions as to what texts ought to be canonized and what shouldn’t. Uthman’s reading differed from that of two notable companions, Ubay ibn Ka’b and Ibn Mas’ud; James White is correct about this. How big were these differences is another dissertation in and of itself. He [Dr. White] probably mentioned this argument in his latest book, ‘What Every Christian Needs To Know About Islam’, but I have yet to pick that up (I probably will though, relatively soon, God willing).
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Don’t be fooled by anyone called Dr. Phd or what not. Read Church Fathers those who suffered for the Faith.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Don’t be fooled by anyone called Dr. Phd or what not. Read Church Fathers those who suffered for the Faith.

MJ
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The only issue I take with the above is that reading Dr. Phd does have its uses. Works by non-Catholics about Catholicism (and here I’m not including the clearly anti-Catholic works; different from Catholic get X wrong works) are valuable in not only understanding what non-Catholics don’t get about the faith, what they do get about the faith, and what aspects of their faith they hold most important (through reverse analysis of what they stress in their works on Catholicism). But as a primary or even a secondary source for actually learning about the faith or the Church I would agree with you that the value of these works is of little to no value. One would be better served reading the Church Fathers and other similar works.
 
The most obvious contradiction is, as has been mentioned, the divinity of Christ.

Actually, I’m looking for a plausible explanation as to how Islam could possibly fit into God’s plan. I personally don’t see it, but I’m not asking so that I can forward my own view.
 
BCole said:
The most obvious contradiction is, as has been mentioned, the divinity of Christ.

Actually, I’m looking for a plausible explanation as to how Islam could possibly fit into God’s plan. I personally don’t see it, but I’m not asking so that I can forward my own view.
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Without the claim that Judaism and Christianity had become corrupted it doesn’t.
 
McCartney said:
As far as I know Islam has four prophets - Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. The greatest prophet in Islam is Jesus NOT Mohammed.
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This is incorrect. They have more prophets in their Quran than the 4 you mentioned above.

And no, the greatest prophet is NOT Jesus… it IS Mohammad.
 
jakasaki said:
This is incorrect. They have more prophets in their Quran than the 4 you mentioned above.

And no, the greatest prophet is NOT Jesus… it IS Mohammad.
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Did Mohammed claim he was greater than Jesus? Or others say it? :hmmm:

MJ
 
joe371 said:
Really…I did not know that…Jesus coming back only as a prophet no doubt…
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Yes, Islam does make the claim of Jesus 2nd coming for day of judgement, but for the purpose of my post, I will call him Isa and not Jesus.

Islam claims(I’ll summarize parts)

-Isa will descend to eastern part of Damascus, while other documents/beliefs claim Jerusalem.

-Isa will kill the anti-christ

-Isa will teach the Quran & Hadith to all

-Isa will lead people to the Islamic prayer ritual

-Isa will stay on earth for 40 years - get married - have children, live 19 years as a married man and when Isa dies, he’ll be buried next to Mohammads grave.

-For the 40 years that Isa will be on earth, there will be no illness or deaths.

-There will be peace on earth

-Isa will break/destroy the Cross and make Islam the global religion and the world would be ruled under Islam.

-Isa will kill all of the pigs

-He’ll do away with the protection tax - there will lots of wealth for everyone

-Isa will perform Hajj at Mecca

There’s more:
 
McCartney said:
That’s right. He never was a God according to them.

I heard somewhere that Mary is mentioned more in the Quran than in the Bible.

Mohammed said that Mary was the holiest woman after his daughter Fatima.
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I posted a reply to this claim that Mary is mentioned more times in the Quran than in the Bible - and another claim Muslims make is that Mary’s name is in the Quran more times than Mohammads name:

Technically Mary, by this name alone is only mentioned a few times in the Quran.

But because the Quran refers to Jesus = Isa… “Jesus THE SON OF MARY”, the claim is made that Mary’s name appears many times.

The name “Mary” appears 35 times in the Yusuf Ali translation of the Quran

Now -

The name “the son of Mary” appears 23 times - attaching Mary’s name to the title of Jesus.

That means that Mary by name alone is mentioned 12 times only.

The strange thing is that no other prophet written in the Quran is titled… “son of” except Isa.

The second argument is that Mohammads name is mentioned only 4 times by name alone.

This argument is correct, by name only, but the entire Quran references the prophet of Islam by other titles, such as prophet, messenger, apostle… etc…
 
BCole said:
Why would God make a revelation that is, in some of the most basic ways, contradictory to the revelation of Jesus?
This doesn’t make any sense, especially considering that Christ made the ultimate sacrifice for us before Islam came about.
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I am not sure that Islam contradicts Christianity that much.

They do not consider Jesus to be a Son of God, but that is natural - why would a religion consider some other faith’s leader to be God?

Otherwise, I am not sure Islam is that different - it is actually closer to Judaism.

The only major difference is that they believe in One God and not the Trinity - this actually simplifies things rather than being a contradiction (since Christians consider the Trinity to be One God too).
 
jakasaki said:
This is incorrect. They have more prophets in their Quran than the 4 you mentioned above.

And no, the greatest prophet is NOT Jesus… it IS Mohammad.
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Like I said in an earlier post, I am not a scholar on Islam. I am just relating what other Muslim friends have told me.

Can any Muslim on this forum please clarify this?
 
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