Muslims win toy pigs ban

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Muslims win toy pigs ban

More pc madness in the UK

thesun.co.uk/article/0,2-2005450600,00.html

NOVELTY pig calendars and toys have been banned from a council office — in case they offend Muslim staff.

Workers in the benefits department at Dudley Council, West Midlands, were told to remove or cover up all pig-related items, including toys, porcelain figures, calendars and even a tissue box featuring Winnie the Pooh and Piglet.

Bosses acted after a Muslim complained about pig-shaped stress relievers delivered to the council in the run-up to the Islamic festival of Ramadan.

Muslims are barred from eating pork in the Koran and consider pigs unclean.

Councillor Mahbubur Rahman, a practising Muslim, backed the ban. He said: “It’s a tolerance of people’s beliefs.”
 
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Muslims win toy pigs ban

More pc madness in the UK

thesun.co.uk/article/0,2-2005450600,00.html

NOVELTY pig calendars and toys have been banned from a council office — in case they offend Muslim staff.

Workers in the benefits department at Dudley Council, West Midlands, were told to remove or cover up all pig-related items, including toys, porcelain figures, calendars and even a tissue box featuring Winnie the Pooh and Piglet.

Bosses acted after a Muslim complained about pig-shaped stress relievers delivered to the council in the run-up to the Islamic festival of Ramadan.

Muslims are barred from eating pork in the Koran and consider pigs unclean.

Councillor Mahbubur Rahman, a practising Muslim, backed the ban. He said: “It’s a tolerance of people’s beliefs.”
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This is no different than Jews being upset over a swastika or a yellow star…or a Catholic being offended by an upside down cross with Christ on it… As the Councillor stated “**its a tolerance of people’s beliefs!” **
 
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Karin:
This is no different than Jews being upset over a swastika or a yellow star…or a Catholic being offended by an upside down cross with Christ on it… As the Councillor stated “its a tolerance of people’s beliefs!”
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IMHO it is an intolerance of others.

But the other items are not banned. No matter how offended we might be with the swastika, yellow star or upside down crucifix they are not banned or discouraged in the name of free speech and freedom of expression. As much as I do not like to be offended by things it is not my right to never be offended by others.

As long as the items were not uses as a deliberate and intended offense (harassment) then they should be taken as they were intended. Toys, decorations, etc., in a society that accepts pigs as food and even sometimes pets.
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KathleenElsie:
**IMHO it is an intolerance of others. **

**But the other items are not banned. No matter how offended we might be with the swastika, yellow star or upside down crucifix they are not banned or discouraged in the name of free speech and freedom of expression. **
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I have to disagree with you. The town I live in has a LARGE orthodox Jewish population…if I walked around with a Yellow Star or a swastika it is considered a “hate” crime and I would be spending time in our local jail.
 
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KathleenElsie:
No matter how offended we might be with the swastika, yellow star or upside down crucifix they are not banned or discouraged in the name of free speech
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This may be true in the U.S., but is it true in Britain?
 
This is the problem with legislated morality. Whose morality do we except? Should it be okay to kill a women if she goes outside without her viel? Some would say it was. PC is taking rights away from us which where give to us by God.
 
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MommaKat:
This is the problem with legislated morality. Whose morality do we except? Should it be okay to kill a women if she goes outside without her viel? Some would say it was. PC is taking rights away from us which where give to us by God.
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That is a problem everywhere…but is it the Catholic, Jewish, Mulsim etc. sense of morality that we are to follow?
 
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Karin:
I have to disagree with you. The town I live in has a LARGE orthodox Jewish population…if I walked around with a Yellow Star or a swastika it is considered a “hate” crime and I would be spending time in our local jail.
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We have people here with those items tattooed on their arms here and there is nothing we can do about them. Maybe it is something in the STATE laws.
 
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KathleenElsie:
We have people here with those items tattooed on their arms here and there is nothing we can do about them. Maybe it is something in the STATE laws.
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Yes that could be (State thing that is). But I am speaking about flying or hanging a flag with a swastika or wearing a yellow star on a jacket or shirt…not so much wearing them on your skin.
The anti-semetic laws are pretty strong all over this country and Europe.
 
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Karin:
Yes that could be (State thing that is). But I am speaking about flying or hanging a flag with a swastika or wearing a yellow star on a jacket or shirt…not so much wearing them on your skin.
The anti-semetic laws are pretty strong all over this country and Europe.
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IMO It is only people themselves (convictions) that can change their behavior for the better.

Anti-semetic views IMHO are still rampent despite the laws that are on the books. No matter how strongly the laws are written it is the enforcement of those laws that make the outward difference in behavior. But the more we make some of those laws the more some people will fight aginst them and those same laws can make a whole religious group a target of further hate. So the cycle goes round and round with no end in sight.

I wish that laws would change hearts but they don’t. Only God can do that and He gave us free will.

GOD BLESS
 
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KathleenElsie:
IMO It is only people themselves (convictions) that can change their behavior for the better.
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Totally agree!
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KathleenElsie:
Anti-semetic
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views IMHO are still rampent despite the laws that are on the books. No matter how strongly the laws are written it is the enforcement of those laws that make the outward difference in behavior. But the more we make some of those laws the more some people will fight aginst them and those same laws can make a whole religious group a target of further hate. So the cycle goes round and round with no end in sight…
So true (especially the part I put in bold)!!
 
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Karin:
That is a problem everywhere…but is it the Catholic, Jewish, Mulsim etc. sense of morality that we are to follow?
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If you wish to follow sharia law go to a Muslim country. This is a Christian country found on Christian priciples. I would rather it stay that way. Europe is a Christian continent with a Christian history including Spain. I would like to see it stay that way.
 
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MommaKat:
If you wish to follow sharia law go to a Muslim country. This is a Christian country found on Christian priciples. I would rather it stay that way. Europe is a Christian continent with a Christian history including Spain. I would like to see it stay that way.
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I would actually like to not have to practice anyones “religious laws” or have their relgious views pushed on me.
I can see that America has gotten really far from their Christian roots and morals…I for one would like to see it change:) (I have issues with abortion being legal and allowed in a Christian founded country)

And why would I move to a Muslim country??? I am not Muslim. My point in my post if you choose to read it was who’s (religion) morality should we follow…it seems to me that Catholics, Muslims and Jews all want a say in what is moral or not.
 
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Karin:
This is no different than Jews being upset over a swastika or a yellow star…or a Catholic being offended by an upside down cross with Christ on it… As the Councillor stated “**its a tolerance of people’s beliefs!” **
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Huh???That’s some stretch from Winnie the Pooh and Piglet to a swastika???
 
When I was still in school, many moon ago LOL, my mother told me that her social studies (civics) class would invite preachers from the various religious communities to speak to the school at assembly (1940s). She said that the speakers would tell of what they believed and how they were the same and different from others beliefs. Question were encouraged. I believe that this was a way to make others knowledgeable of others feelings and beliefs.

1960s Changed this with the first separation of morals out of the schools. So what one group felt was right or wrong and what they based this belief on was now forbidden to be talked about.

Now it seems that religion is taboo in schools and in public places. Well, IMHO Christian morals and beliefs are excluded anyway. Immorality is now the accepted teaching in many ways. IMHO intolerance is made acceptable by the public in song, dance, movies and books. All we need to do is look around us and it is “in your face” everywhere. All the persons of faith I have met are upset with this “in your face” junk being put out. We don’t want one religion over another just the old moral code of right and wrong taught to our young and practiced in the schools and public places.

Intollerence comes from ignorance and feeds upon itself.
 
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KathleenElsie:
When I was still in school, many moon ago LOL, my mother told me that her social studies (civics) class would invite preachers from the various religious communities to speak to the school at assembly (1940s). She said that the speakers would tell of what they believed and how they were the same and different from others beliefs. Question were encouraged. I believe that this was a way to make others knowledgeable of others feelings and beliefs.
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This sounds like a great thing…too bad they ar not allowed to do this any longer in public schools. I know that in my son’s Catholic High School…there are Hindu’s, Muslim’s, Catholics and many other relgious sects and denominations. They are all friends and they all learn about each others faiths and beliefs in school.
 
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Karin:
This is no different than Jews being upset over a swastika or a yellow star…or a Catholic being offended by an upside down cross with Christ on it… As the Councillor stated “**its a tolerance of people’s beliefs!” **
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This represents a completely inappropriate analogy. Why is the average Jew upset over a swastika? Are they offended by the symbol itself, or by what they perceive is the intent? For example, the Swastika is displayed numerous times in the movie “Life is Beautiful.” I challenge you to find a Jewish organization that condemns that movie. Similarly, while some Jews may be uncomfortable seeing the symbol due to the associations it holds for them, I doubt many are offended by the tile pattern of swastikas on the floor of the Amiens Cathedral (built in the 1200’s). In these cases, while the symbol may hold unpleasant associations for the viewer, the viewer has no objection to the meaning associated with that use of the symbol.

Comparing Piglet to the swastika and an upside down Crucifix is therefore a false comparison. In America (and I presume in the U.K.), the swastika is not regularly seen except in connection with Nazis and evil. Therefore, when randomly seeing a swastika, it is reasonable to assume malicious intent, or at least blatant disregard of the sensitivities of others, since everyone knows in what light the swastika will be interpreted. The same may not be true in India, as the swastika is a Hindu holy symbol. I cannot think of any non-malicious reason for displaying an upside down Crucifix. Therefore, it is reasonable for me to be offended if I observe an upside down Crucifix. However, the same cannot be stated regarding Piglet, pigs, etc. The average person displaying a pig has no intent to offend, nor is the meaning they attach to the image in itself offensive.
 
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urbana:
This represents a completely inappropriate analogy. Why is the average Jew upset over a swastika? Are they offended by the symbol itself, or by what they perceive is the intent? For example, the Swastika is displayed numerous times in the movie “Life is Beautiful.” I challenge you to find a Jewish organization that condemns that movie. Similarly, while some Jews may be uncomfortable seeing the symbol due to the associations it holds for them, I doubt many are offended by the tile pattern of swastikas on the floor of the Amiens Cathedral (built in the 1200’s). In these cases, while the symbol may hold unpleasant associations for the viewer, the viewer has no objection to the meaning associated with that use of the symbol.

Comparing Piglet to the swastika and an upside down Crucifix is therefore a false comparison. In America (and I presume in the U.K.), the swastika is not regularly seen except in connection with Nazis and evil. Therefore, when randomly seeing a swastika, it is reasonable to assume malicious intent, or at least blatant disregard of the sensitivities of others, since everyone knows in what light the swastika will be interpreted. The same may not be true in India, as the swastika is a Hindu holy symbol. I cannot think of any non-malicious reason for displaying an upside down Crucifix. Therefore, it is reasonable for me to be offended if I observe an upside down Crucifix. However, the same cannot be stated regarding Piglet, pigs, etc. The average person displaying a pig has no intent to offend, nor is the meaning they attach to the image in itself offensive.
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**Note in red that while it is not a common symbol there is a similar symbol in some Native American cultures. I am not sure what it stands for but it is seen on many of the beautiful bead work items and pottery items.

I never studied this symbols meanings in other countries for its local meaning. I have always wondered why this symbol was chosen by the Nazi party.
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