My #1 reason for converting

[Pax]

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How do you suppose Peter could have been a Pope? The Gospel of salvation to the gentiles was committed to Paul not Peter. While Paul was busy spreading the gospel to gentiles… Peter stayed in Jerusalem.
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You are extraordinarily uninformed about the apostle Peter. It is true that the gospel was committed to Paul for the gentiles and to Peter for the Jews, but this was not a mutually exclusive exercise and scripture clearly shows numerous examples of this.

Here are a few for you to consider:

Peter and the Gentiles

Read Acts Chapter 10 concerning the conversion of Cornelius and his entire gentile household through Peter. Likewise, read Acts 10:44-48 which says:

“While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. And the believers from among the circumcised who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles…
…Then Peter declared, ‘Can any one forbid water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?’ And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.”

Read on in Acts 11:1-
NOW THE apostles and the brethren who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcision party criticized him, saying, “Why did you go to uncircumcised men and eat with them?”… And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance unto life.”

I could go on but I think you get the idea. Now let’s also look at your statement that Peter stayed in Jerusalem. Is this biblical? Not a chance. Read the following:

Acts 8:14
Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that **Samaria **had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John,

Acts 9:31-32
So the church throughout all **Judea and Galilee and Samaria **had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied. Now as Peter went here and there among them all, he came down also to the saints that lived at Lydda.

Acts 10:23-25
The next day he rose and went off with them, and some of the brethren from Joppa accompanied him. And on the following day they entered Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his kinsmen and close friends. When Peter entered, Cornelius met him

1 Corinthians 1:12
What I mean is that each one of you says, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” So some of the Corinthians were baptized by Peter; isn’t that interesting!

Galatians 2:11
But when Cephas came to **Antioch **…

1 Peter 1:1
PETER, AN apostle of Jesus Christ, To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Typically, Paul writes his letters to church communities that he had worked in. Peter, I’m sure, did the same.

How can your reasonably claim that Peter was never in Rome? He was in many places other than Jerusalem and we have plenty of extra biblical testimony that states that he and Paul established the Church in Rome. Are you claiming that historical facts aren’t facts?

 

[water]

Thank you justin for sharing your faith journey with us.

God bless!

 

[exoflare]

Hbr 4:12
For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2Ti 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Pro 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.

Pro 15:10
Correction [is] grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: [and] he that hateth reproof shall die.

Pro 30:5 Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Psa 119:105 NUN. Thy word [is] a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path

Those are great. Now do you have a verse that supports your argument?

 

[homewardbound]

I concur. The OP terminology is completely Catholic. Gives us graces? I do not believe you. Hey, dont get me wrong, people convert from Protestant to Catholic but I do not buy it in this case.

I am converting to Catholicism and because I understand the faith now, I use Catholic terminology. That suddenly means I’m not really a convert just because I now use certain terminology? Wow, thats really…weird.

 

[believers]

You are extraordinarily uninformed about the apostle Peter. It is true that the gospel was committed to Paul for the gentiles and to Peter for the Jews, but this was not a mutually exclusive exercise and scripture clearly shows numerous examples of this.

Here are a few for you to consider:

Peter and the Gentiles

Read Acts Chapter 10 concerning the conversion of Cornelius and his entire gentile household through Peter. Likewise, read Acts 10:44-48 which says:

“While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. And the believers from among the circumcised who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles…
…Then Peter declared, ‘Can any one forbid water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?’ And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.”

Read on in Acts 11:1-
NOW THE apostles and the brethren who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles also had received the word of God. So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcision party criticized him, saying, “Why did you go to uncircumcised men and eat with them?”… And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance unto life.”

I could go on but I think you get the idea. Now let’s also look at your statement that Peter stayed in Jerusalem. Is this biblical? Not a chance. Read the following:

Acts 8:14
Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that **Samaria **had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John,

Acts 9:31-32
So the church throughout all **Judea and Galilee and Samaria **had peace and was built up; and walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit it was multiplied. Now as Peter went here and there among them all, he came down also to the saints that lived at Lydda.

Acts 10:23-25
The next day he rose and went off with them, and some of the brethren from Joppa accompanied him. And on the following day they entered Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his kinsmen and close friends. When Peter entered, Cornelius met him

1 Corinthians 1:12
What I mean is that each one of you says, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” So some of the Corinthians were baptized by Peter; isn’t that interesting!

Galatians 2:11
But when Cephas came to **Antioch **…

1 Peter 1:1
PETER, AN apostle of Jesus Christ, To the exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

Typically, Paul writes his letters to church communities that he had worked in. Peter, I’m sure, did the same.

How can your reasonably claim that Peter was never in Rome? He was in many places other than Jerusalem and we have plenty of extra biblical testimony that states that he and Paul established the Church in Rome. Are you claiming that historical facts aren’t facts?

Historical facts are just that… facts according to man. The Word of God is Truth according to God. The RCC takes great liberties in filling in what’s not actually in the Word of God.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Historical facts are just that… facts according to man. The Word of God is Truth according to God. The RCC takes great liberties in filling in what’s not actually in the Word of God.

Historically speaking, Early Christianity was One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, consisting of 5 Patriachiates, Rome, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Constantinople. They were universally called Catholic Church by the Early Church Fathers, Sgt. Ignatius of Antioch in 110 AD address Jesus’ Christ as Catholic Church… is one such example.

I don’t see that at all. Perhaps because you aren’t Catholic is the mere fact that you don’t see it.

Could you point out to me which are not actually the Word of God taught by the Catholic Church? I’m sure they can be pointed out that they are.

 

[homewardbound]

So your #1 reason for converting was because you couldn’t find a good answer to baptism? Interesting. My #1 reason for converting from Catholicism to being a born-again bible-believing Christian is the one and only Name of JESUS CHRIST. I am no longer deceived into praying to a false goddess named Mary, I am no longer deceived that I have to earn my salvation through meaningless rituals. I am saved by grace through faith in JESUS.

Your post says it all. You were in search of a religion where you could perform works to redeem yourself. Since that is what you are seeking you are definitely “home”, Catholicism is the perfect religion where you are constantly performing works and reciting memorized words like a pharisee in an attempt to earn your grace, earn your love from Jesus, earn your way into heaven. The Bible has no meaning to you, so you can follow your personal whims because you have decided that men know more than the LORD.

You do not know Jesus, friend. You are living in deception, and I know this because you are not worshipping the LORD in spirit and truth, which is to follow His one and only WORD. I feel sorry for you, you have returned to wallow in the mire from which you were once washed.

Deceptions of False Teachers

For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

I’d quote where this is in the bible, but why bother, since its just a meaningless book thats NOT the one and only inerrant Word of God, right? Why bother cracking open the bible when you can just turn to a page in the misilette once a week for 20 minutes, make the sign of the cross and go through all the little rituals to redeem yourself in an empty, lifeless church that uses the name of Jesus Christ to fleece the flock.

“But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” Jesus’ GRACE is enough for me. I don’t need to “earn” my way into Heaven by saying the rosary, or committing to first Fridays, or trying to become the next Mother Theresa because my works are like filthy rags (or so says the meaningless bible you don’t believe in), and His job was finished when He breathed His last breath on the cross (at least, according to that worthless bible). I’m redeemed by Jesus’ blood, I don’t need to jump through any cheap, man-made Catholic hoops. I am saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

I just wanna say how sorry I am for the poor teaching on Catholicism you received. I’m sorry you know so very little about Catholicism and feel the need to spread all the myths and lies most Protestants blindly believe. I urge you to find out what a faith actually teaches and practices before posting.

Also, its quite humorous to say Catholics don’t read or believe in the Bible. They wrote it, and put it together. I have yet to meet a Catholic who doesn’t own several Bibles.

I don’t mean to sound mean…but your post is quite foolish and childish. Its so full of obvious lies and so wrong I honestly am not sure I believe you are really a Christian at all. Sounds like something a hateful non Christian would say.

No Christian living in Christ and with God graces would be so hateful and mean to their fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[Metaron]

Did you ever repent? Did you ever have perfect love? Did you ever crucify yourself with Christ? Galations 2:20.

No duh, Sherlock… I know I sure did, and my story is similar to his, on finding out that I was not a part of Christ’s Church on Earth.

How do you suppose Peter could have been a Pope? The Gospel of salvation to the gentiles was committed to Paul not Peter. While Paul was busy spreading the gospel to gentiles… Peter stayed in Jerusalem.

Uh, read history. Read the Church Fathers (I love history and the Church Fathers, because they easily show that the Catholic Church is the One True Church ). He was in Rome, where he ended up being crucified. Notice how in the Jerusalem Council in the Bible, when they are having a controversy, Peter makes a ruling. After that, there is silence. No-one says “hold up, Peter, you’re only one person; you can’t make our decisions for us!” Nope. They all stop arguing. Peter has spoken. The Head-Bishop of the Church has spoken. The first Pope has spoken. Case closed!

By the way… were you really protestant? I’m personally not convinced. Here’s why…because there is no such thing as a “stain of original sin”. That’s a Roman Catholic term. Adam’s original sin is not a “stain”. It is a judgment of condemnation. By default, we’re all on the path to hell if you don’t turn to Jesus in faith and repent.

No, duh. They’re different terms of the same thing. If you persist in this childish behaviour, I’m going to have to ignore your insipid remarks. Otherwise, give proof, don’t just make statements.

That just makes me even more certain that I made the right decision when I left Fundamentalism for Catholicism.

Cheers!

 

[homewardbound]

Historical facts are just that… facts according to man. The Word of God is Truth according to God. The RCC takes great liberties in filling in what’s not actually in the Word of God.

The RCC may fill in whats not there(with historical proof and documentation) but Protestants are just as guilty for taking away from God’s word when they dropped out 7 books after the Protestant Reformation(and continue taking out and construing God’s Word with each new translation to take out and completely change what the Bible says in order to jive with what they want it to say).

It goes both ways.

 

[Mannyfit75]

The RCC may fill in whats not there(with historical proof and documentation) but Protestants are just as guilty for taking away from God’s word when they dropped out 7 books after the Protestant Reformation(and continue taking out and construing God’s Word with each new translation to take out and completely change what the Bible says in order to jive with what they want it to say).

It goes both ways.

During the Reformation the 7 Deutrocanonical Books were in the Appendix. They were remove completely from all Protestant Bible in 1648.

The Catholic Encyclopedia states the following:

The Protestant Churches have continued to exclude the deutero writings from their canons, classifying them as “Apocrypha”. Presbyterians and Calvinists in general, especially since the Westminster Synod of 1648, have been the most uncompromising enemies of any recognition, and owing to their influence the British and Foreign Bible Society decided in 1826 to refuse to distribute Bibles containing the Apocrypha. Since that time the publication of the deuterocanonicals as an appendix to Protestant Bibles has almost entirely ceased in English-speaking countries. The books still supply lessons for the liturgy of the Church of England, but the number has been lessened by the hostile agitation. There is an Apocrypha appendix to the British Revised Version, in a separate volume. The deuteros are still appended to the German Bibles printed under the auspices of the orthodox Lutherans.

Source: newadvent.org/cathen/03267a.htm

 

[homewardbound]

During the Reformation the 7 Deutrocanonical Books were in the Appendix. They were remove completely from all Protestant Bible in 1648.

Thanks. I knew it didn’t happen until some time after the Reformation, I just wasn’t sure exactly when.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Thanks. I knew it didn’t happen until some time after the Reformation, I just wasn’t sure exactly when.

I’m glad to help. I’m a Catholic who loves to help Catholics, and those being received into the Catholic faith, form their faith even deeper.

 

[Pax]

Historical facts are just that… facts according to man. The Word of God is Truth according to God. The RCC takes great liberties in filling in what’s not actually in the Word of God.

I used scripture to utterly deflate your first posting. How about refuting at least that if you can.

Once you have failed to do that, then try to refute the historical facts without simply making a flippant statement that on its face is untrue because it limits the truth of God to only the bible. If you can tell me what is untrue about everything else we know to be true, and why, then I would like to here it.

God made everything and he did so according to his will. He happened to make the composition of water H2O. That isn’t in the bible but it happens to be true. Is that simply some goof ball fact made up by man or is that a truth established by God when he created the universe?

So far you have not established any credibility.

 

[Pax]

So your #1 reason for converting was because you couldn’t find a good answer to baptism? Interesting. My #1 reason for converting from Catholicism to being a born-again bible-believing Christian is the one and only Name of JESUS CHRIST. I am no longer deceived into praying to a false goddess named Mary, I am no longer deceived that I have to earn my salvation through meaningless rituals. I am saved by grace through faith in JESUS.

Your post says it all. You were in search of a religion where you could perform works to redeem yourself. Since that is what you are seeking you are definitely “home”, Catholicism is the perfect religion where you are constantly performing works and reciting memorized words like a pharisee in an attempt to earn your grace, earn your love from Jesus, earn your way into heaven. The Bible has no meaning to you, so you can follow your personal whims because you have decided that men know more than the LORD.

You do not know Jesus, friend. You are living in deception, and I know this because you are not worshipping the LORD in spirit and truth, which is to follow His one and only WORD. I feel sorry for you, you have returned to wallow in the mire from which you were once washed.

Deceptions of False Teachers

For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

I’d quote where this is in the bible, but why bother, since its just a meaningless book thats NOT the one and only inerrant Word of God, right? Why bother cracking open the bible when you can just turn to a page in the misilette once a week for 20 minutes, make the sign of the cross and go through all the little rituals to redeem yourself in an empty, lifeless church that uses the name of Jesus Christ to fleece the flock.

“But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” Jesus’ GRACE is enough for me. I don’t need to “earn” my way into Heaven by saying the rosary, or committing to first Fridays, or trying to become the next Mother Theresa because my works are like filthy rags (or so says the meaningless bible you don’t believe in), and His job was finished when He breathed His last breath on the cross (at least, according to that worthless bible). I’m redeemed by Jesus’ blood, I don’t need to jump through any cheap, man-made Catholic hoops. I am saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

Plenty of errors here concerning the Church and what we believe. My main concern and real question is…why are you so bitter?

 

[Metaron]

I’m glad to help. I’m a Catholic who loves to help Catholics, and those being received into the Catholic faith, form their faith even deeper.

We can always run to Mannyfit75, whenever we are perplexed by certain statements by protesters or heretics. He know’s his stuff.

Hey, Manny, are you still considering the priesthood after you come out of the Army? I’m still comsidering it, although I’m jumpin’ the gun a little bit, since I’m still in RCIA.

By the way, I want everybody to pray for Manny for his safety in Iraq. God bless you, and best of luck, from all of us here at home! You have all of our prayerful support.

 

[Mannyfit75]

We can always run to Mannyfit75, whenever we are perplexed by certain statements by protesters or heretics. He know’s his stuff.

I limit my sources to NewAdvent.org, ScriptureCatholic.com, Google Search topics to find an answer I do not have a knowledge of. I go strictly to Catholic website, and if the topic involve Church issue, I got directly to the Vatican website, or refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Hey, Manny, are you still considering the priesthood after you come out of the Army? I’m still comsidering it, although I’m jumpin’ the gun a little bit, since I’m still in RCIA.

I am. Take your time. Pray a lot. Especially do a devotion to the Jesus Christ present in our Churches’ tabernacle. Holy Hours and Eucharistic Adoration and Benedictation helps, and go to Mass daily.

As much as I love to received the Lord everyday, I can’t. I work night shift, and I’m asleep most of the day. I go to Mass every Sunday at 10:30 AM.

By the way, I want everybody to pray for Manny for his safety in Iraq. God bless you, and best of luck, from all of us here at home! You have all of our prayerful support.

I’ll half way there from the deployment. I have 6 months to go.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Thank you Manny for confirming that. It is **UNBIBLICAL **to say that Paul met Peter in Rome.

Ye, I guess WWII isn’t in the Bible as well. Should we not teach it in history classes?

Historical facts are just that… facts according to man. The Word of God is Truth according to God.

So, does the word of God say anything about Peter not being in Rome or WWII not happening? I mean, is there any reason to not believe the clear historical evidence?

Anyways…historical facts are according to man. The word of God is Truth according to God and believers’ personal biased interpretation of the the word of God is according to believers.

 

[homewardbound]

? I mean, is there any reason to not believe the clear historical evidence?

Of course there is. To admit the evidence is there and that Peter was in Rome, one would have to admit he was or at least could have been the first Pope. That would go against everything they wish to believe. So believing in nothing is better than believing in something that can actually back up its beliefs. Especially when that something is Catholicism.

 

[qui_est_ce]

We can always run to Mannyfit75, whenever we are perplexed by certain statements by protesters or heretics. He know’s his stuff.

Hey, Manny, are you still considering the priesthood after you come out of the Army? I’m still comsidering it, although I’m jumpin’ the gun a little bit, since I’m still in RCIA.

By the way, I want everybody to pray for Manny for his safety in Iraq. God bless you, and best of luck, from all of us here at home! You have all of our prayerful support.

:yup:
(lurking)

 

[qui_est_ce]

Plenty of errors here concerning the Church and what we believe. My main concern and real question is…why are you so bitter?

And my second would be that Emily is not being truthful in saying she is a former Catholic. Nothing in her post shows a shred of knowledge of CC.

I’d quote where this is in the bible, but why bother, since its just a meaningless book thats NOT the one and only inerrant Word of God, right? Why bother cracking open the bible when you can just turn to a page in the misilette once a week for 20 minutes, make the sign of the cross and go through all the little rituals to redeem yourself in an empty, lifeless church that uses the name of Jesus Christ to fleece the flock.