My beliefs of tarot; advice

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Saint_Anthony8 said:
And you will be found guilty of one (possibly two) civil offenses.
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Bubba, even if you were to win, which is unlikely, I am what is called judgment proof. I have no money and no assets to which the you can confiscate to satisfy a judgment. The books will be given away at no charge, so there is no income to garnish there. My personal income is ineligible for garnishment by federal law, and I have no other assets that will be eligible for confiscation. I suppose you can put a lien on my house, but that does not kick in until the house is sold, and the house will not be sold until I am dead, and then I will not care. But, under my state’s law a homestead is exempt. My house is a homestead, so you are out of luck there and anywhere. Have fun paying legal fees that I will never pay as I am judgment proof against any civil judgment.

Libel is not possible, since truth is a defense against libel, and we have in writing what you and I said.

I am a paralegal and am familiar with libel and copyright laws and judgments, if there is one

So, knock yourself out, bubba-cakes.

P.S. “found guilty” is not the terminology used in civil suits.
 
I’m genuinely curious, what’s the appeal to Crowley and the OTO?
 
I’m going to chime in and say that my advice is not to play with fire. As a practicing believer, I always get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach whenever I pass one of those places that says ‘psychic readings’. I love meditation though. If you desire to meditate, choose something that is a lot less spiritually volatile and meditate using prayers/devotions traditional to the church. You could change up the scenery though, perhaps by going outside to meditate in nature, or by changing which icons you use in your devotions.
 
EqualinHim said:
I’m going to chime in and say that my advice is not to play with fire. As a practicing believer, I always get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach whenever I pass one of those places that says ‘psychic readings’. I love meditation though. If you desire to meditate, choose something that is a lot less spiritually volatile and meditate using prayers/devotions traditional to the church. You could change up the scenery though, perhaps by going outside to meditate in nature, or by changing which icons you use in your devotions.
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Great advice! Thank you for chiming in.
 
Aravalon said:
I’m genuinely curious, what’s the appeal to Crowley and the OTO?
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I never joined the OTO, but did attempt to do so. For me, it was a deep fascination with whether or not the preternatural really exists, Crowley’s obvious depth of intellect, and a desire to be part of a “secret society” that could teach me how to come in contact with any spiritual beings that might exist.

Someone else responded and stated they’re interested in the social aspects of all of this. That would be alien to me. I was far more interested in finding truth than in finding a Mensa for the occult. And I highly doubt folks become interested in Crowley because they just can’t wait to meet some new friends. People follow him because they think they’ll learn how to have power.

Regarding tarot: stay away. Folks who don’t believe there is a demonic component are sadly and gravely deluded. Don’t play games with the demonic, because they’re trash and they’ll only drag you down into their gutter.
 
InOmnemTerram said:
I never joined the OTO, but did attempt to do so. For me, it was a deep fascination with whether or not the preternatural really exists, Crowley’s obvious depth of intellect, and a desire to be part of a “secret society” that could teach me how to come in contact with any spiritual beings that might exist.

Someone else responded and stated they’re interested in the social aspects of all of this. That would be alien to me. I was far more interested in finding truth than in finding a Mensa for the occult. And I highly doubt folks become interested in Crowley because they just can’t wait to meet some new friends.

Regarding tarot: stay away. Folks who don’t believe there is a demonic component are sadly and gravely deluded. Don’t play games with the demonic, because they’re trash and they’ll only drag you down into their gutter.
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Amen!
 
Tsuzuki said:
… it turns out that my social reasons for joining were the best reasons, and the reasons shared by those who go the farthest in the order.
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You believed that your best chance of having a level of social interaction you desired was to join the OTO, as opposed to any number of other types of groups? Why? Because you were interested in “Thelemic chivalry?”
 
Tsuzuki said:
That’s exactly the reason.
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So you studied Crowley and his writings because, after looking for all sorts of common-interest groups in your area, none of the folks there were able to provide you with a social life? The OTO was just a last resort? And reading Crowley was necessary and came about only after you liked your new friends?
 
Saint_Anthony8 said:
LeVeyan is the father of 20th century Satanism. Crowley is the father of Thelema, which is a philosophy not a religion.
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Crowley was also a British spy:

*Ian Fleming, the future author of the James Bond novels, was at that time a Navy intelligence officer. He knew Crowley and hatched several schemes to use Crowley to feed misinformation to the Nazis through Rudolph Hess. it is widely speculated that the eventual capture of Hess was thanks to Aleister Crowley’s work as a spy.

Crowley also seems to have done this in World War I when he created some badly written pro-German propaganda, clearly intended to make the Germans look bad.

You can learn all about Aleister Crowley’s activities as a spook in Secret Agent 666, by Richard Spence.*
ac2012.com/2012/08/05/aleister-crowley-myths-actually-true/

amazon.com/gp/product/1932595333?ie=UTF8&camp=213733&creative=393185&creativeASIN=1932595333&linkCode=shr&tag=ss93-20&keywords=secret%20agent%20666&qid=1344123577&ref_=sr_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1
 
Tsuzuki said:
It wasn’t a last resort or anything, and I belong to multiple social groups. It was just a very good fit for me, so I joined. I hadn’t read any Crowley before that.
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Thank you for explaining.

I was the opposite: I wasn’t interested in hanging out with occult folks just to have something to do. I was interested in whether or not Crowley discovered a system that was objectively true, and what the implications of that system might mean.

I never really thought that folks would be attracted to that sort of thing based on accidentally stumbling across a group of folks they like. But there’s surely more to your story than just that.

And so much is true: we open doors to the demonic for extremely mundane and sometimes even apparently healthy reasons.
 
Saint_Anthony8 said:
“Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law” doesn’t mean to what you like it means do what your true will says you should do ie your conscience. Sound like Thomism to anyone else?
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No, because “every man and every woman” being “a star,” as Crowley understood that channeled text, contradicts basic Thomistic distinctions on what a human being is, and it likewise has nothing to do with conscience. We are not each of us perfect beings at our core, and spirituality is not the process of discovering that perfection and being able, through magical work, to properly adhere to our unique and individual orbit. Rather, we are creatures of God who are wounded by sin, and it is not in doing the will of my “higher self” through which I find freedom, but in doing the will of Him Who is my Creator.

And that fellow’s “stage-name,” shall we say, was LaVey.
 
Saint_Anthony8 said:
Why do you assume anything is objectively true? Remember, I am not an occultist but from what I understand modern magick, which is really phycological and not at all religious, isn’t about being true, its about making the world better. A good example is when a parent tells a child their teddy bear will protect them from monsters. Is it true? No but it accomplishes its purpose and makes the child happy.
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The child can also be told that Jesus protects us when we call on Him.

The child can be told he has a guardian angel.

(My mother didn’t lie to me) 🙂
 
Cling to the Holy Spirit and he will guide you always. Curiosity in the unknown may lead you to other curiosities… so yep, keep those cards away 😉
 
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