My brain is about to explode! How can something always have existed?

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Tomdstone said:
Roman numerals do not have a zero.
Secondly, the claim of a poster was that zero is nothing. But if zero is a place-holder, then it is not nothing.
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I’m using “zero” as a term to imply absolute nothingness. You’re thinking in strictly mathematical terms in which '0" or zero represents nothing, or is a position on a number line.

We’re arguing at cross purposes.
 
Bahman said:
It could be an imaginary observer. It doesn’t need to be real observer. It could be God who is bounded in time.
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Then the imaginary observer only exists in your imagination, and so can’t possibly dictate reality or logic. A creator bounded by time is illogical.
Bahman said:
The line has points called minus infinity.
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Where is this line in reality, or is it also imaginary?
 
God is Infinite.

He is Infinite in time and in every other way.

So … He COULD if He chose to do so … “delegate” to you some share in His Infinity of knowledge.

He COULD, if He so chose to do so … grant you a share of some knowledge … of Sacred Scripture … or … of math … or of physics.

He COULD do that if He decided to do that.

He COULD give you the brain stuff to be a great writer. An insightful writer.

So, “mathematically”, sort of, you could inherit from Him, some tiny percentage of “Infinity”.

But then some of us might try to apply some “mathematical” understanding of a non-mathematical thought.
 
Bob_Crowley said:
I’m using “zero” as a term to imply absolute nothingness. You’re thinking in strictly mathematical terms in which '0" or zero represents nothing, or is a position on a number line.

We’re arguing at cross purposes.
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Zero amount of something would seem to be nothing, except that on the microscale according to quantum theory, there is always an uncertainty as to the amount, so that there will be a minimum amount, even though it is labelled as zero.
 
Tomdstone said:
Zero amount of something would seem to be nothing, except that on the microscale according to quantum theory, there is always an uncertainty as to the amount, so that there will be a minimum amount, even though it is labelled as zero.
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In the case of absolute nothingness, there is no quantum physics or quantum theory.

They only occur when there’s a functioning universe replete with intelligent beings to exist, theorise about and discuss quantum physics.

Absolute nothingness is just that. But since we exist, absolute nothingness has never existed.

Ergo something has always existed, and we call that something God, since this universe has a cause.
 
Bahman said:
So you could not refute my argument and now asking me to find a philosopher that agree with me?
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You’ve said that an imaginary person can’t wait for eternity. Fine, agreed. But no such imaginary person exists in reality, therefore refuted. You don’t accept that so I’m asking you about philosophers because you might accept what they say.
 
inocente said:
You’ve said that an imaginary person can’t wait for eternity. Fine, agreed. But no such imaginary person exists in reality, therefore refuted. You don’t accept that so I’m asking you about philosophers because you might accept what they say.
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We sometimes use imaginary observer in a mind experiment.
 
Bahman said:
We sometimes use imaginary observer in a mind experiment.
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i am thinking that any mind experiment requires an observer and that this tells us something important about the nature of reality. Can you think of one that seems not to?
 
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