my brother the wiccan sent me a wreath - help?

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I say burn it…and send the ashes back in a box with a note that says “BEGONE FROM ME HEATHEN SCUM” in big, red font. But then again, that’s just me…
wow, how ignorant. This is his brother we are talking about, not some stranger. Hopefully, he loves his brother. And, this would be even more insulting if his brother didn’t actually bless the wreath…There is always that big possiblity.
 
Blacktiger, I am curious …so Wiccans don’t worship trees/nature but honor it…you believe in some kind of a god. What kind of a god do you believe in? Do you believe in the God of Abraham? the Trinity? Jesus? What exactly is the Wiccans version of God? :confused: And who do you pray to?
Here is what some Wiccans believe(but certainly not all): There is one Divine Being. This being has two main archetypal energies: a God and a Goddess. These two beings also have many different forms, as seen in the cultures of Greek, Norse, Celtic, Roman, Egyptian etc. These are pantheons. The Divine is impossible to fully grasp. So, we believe that this being chooses to portray itself in mnay forms to make it easier to attune to and focus on, thus the God/Goddess, the pantheons, etc.

Think of it as a diamond. There is one diamond(the Divine Being), but this diamond has many different facets(pantheons, God/Goddess). It is impossible to see these facets all at once, so we focus on many different facets of the diamond.

The closet thing that Wiccans have to the Trinity is the Triple Goddess: Maiden, Mother, and Crone. We believe that all religions are worshipping the same divine being, but just focus on different facets of the diamond. So, I guess you could say we worship “the God of Abraham”.

As for Jesus, I believe he was a wonderful person. I still sometimes read the Bible, as some of his words and sayings are very powerful and wise. Some Wiccans actually worship Jesus as the archetypal energy of the sacrificial god. However, this is a small majority.

Wiccans pray to the Divine Being, the God, the Goddess, and different pantheons of these two energies. Some may also pray to their Higher Selves for guidance, as well as any animal/spirit guides they have. This would be what some Christians call the guardian angel. Ritual workings used for religious purposes are also a type of prayer, just like the ritual at Mass is a prayer for Christians. I hope this answered all your questions…I really appreciate that you asked these questions respectfully. Feel free to ask any more!

Many Blessings!

Scott
 
wow, how ignorant. This is his brother we are talking about, not some stranger. Hopefully, he loves his brother. And, this would be even more insulting if his brother didn’t actually bless the wreath…There is always that big possiblity.
…it was a joke. :confused:
 
There are good reasons for fear. The devil has real power in the world today. Sorry he is a real guy. As real as God. Satan does exist. He can give power to people who knowingly or not worship him. may people are decieved by this stuff. Wicca is based on satanism. That is not a theory. The man who wrote the book on satanism got his stuff directly from a book on satanism. he plagerised quite liberaly. wicca is based on satanism. That is dangerous stuff. and nothing to take to lightly. I blessed it with holy water as my priest told me claiming it as a creation for christ. I think I will hang it on the front door. my brother always was the centimental sort. now that the pagan influence is gone I can see it as just a gift.
Sigh Please, state a source. Where are you getting this false info from? Wicca is not based on satanism. Well, a man writing a book on satanism getting his sources form satanism only makes sense, so I don’t know what point you were trying to make there. Wicca is not satanism. Do some research!!!
 
There are good reasons for fear. The devil has real power in the world today. Sorry he is a real guy. As real as God. Satan does exist. He can give power to people who knowingly or not worship him. may people are decieved by this stuff. Wicca is based on satanism. That is not a theory. The man who wrote the book on satanism got his stuff directly from a book on satanism. he plagerised quite liberaly. wicca is based on satanism. That is dangerous stuff. and nothing to take to lightly. I blessed it with holy water as my priest told me claiming it as a creation for christ. I think I will hang it on the front door. my brother always was the centimental sort. now that the pagan influence is gone I can see it as just a gift.
I’m sorry, but I do not believe that you can accidentally worship Satan. Satan may have power, but he does not have power over those who deny him that power. There is no such thing as magic, black or otherwise. You can not be lured into some evil trap with a magic spell. Can one be so easily wrenched from Christ’s grasp? Has the Holy Spirit so little authority on earth? I don’t think that Wiccans worship Satan, but if the biggest Satanist on earth were standing before me right now incanting his butt off, I would just laugh and walk away. Such things have no power except the power that is given to them. Being afraid of a holiday gift is suggestive that the Wicca religion is real and has real power. I don’t believe that.
 
I’m sorry, but I do not believe that you can accidentally worship Satan. Satan may have power, but he does not have power over those who deny him that power. There is no such thing as magic, black or otherwise. You can not be lured into some evil trap with a magic spell. Can one be so easily wrenched from Christ’s grasp? Has the Holy Spirit so little authority on earth? I don’t think that Wiccans worship Satan, but if the biggest Satanist on earth were standing before me right now incanting his butt off, I would just laugh and walk away. Such things have no power except the power that is given to them. Being afraid of a holiday gift is suggestive that the Wicca religion is real and has real power. I don’t believe that.
TMC,

If you are a Roman Catholic (indeed, your profile has nothing to indicate either way) then you would do well to educate yourself in the doctrines of the faith regarding Satanism and witchcraft before making such a statement.

Respectfully,

mary
 
Not 100% sure about this, but doesn’t the church say it’s heresy to disbelieve in witchcraft? Again, I could be wrong…Really, though people think that magick is just saying a bunch a words and waving “magic” wands. Magick is simply creating a change in the universe. The only thing that matters is how strong your willpower and intent are. So, among some WIccans, even prayer is magick. Ofcourse, I know a few Catholics that would happily disagree. But, following this definition of magick, prayer is magick.
 
I am a little confused about exactly what to do. My brother is an open wiken. He’s a litteral witch. anyhow they worship trees. they go out into the woods and do around a tree something close to what evangeliscals do before an alter. dancing and jumping and such.
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here is the question my brother sent me  a wreath the kind made a garland that you hang on your doors for christmas.  this one he made out of an old tree that we use to have lying around the house.  the chances of it being blessed at some wicken rite are pretty good.  It however is seen as a emotional gesture by the family.  he found a photo of us all around it.  it was our christmas tree for 8 years or so.  what do I do with that?  Is it enough to have it blessed by a priest.  does anyone know anything about this sort of thing.  would it be a sin to hang it up?  help
You should graciously but firmly refuse this wreath out of love for him and for your faith. Send it back in a good box with a kind note explaining how it bothers you. Tell him of your love for him and of your great love for your faith. Keep him and his friends out of your house and away from your family. Pray for him daily–even hourly.
 
0 exactly 0 items. I would not do that to my brother.
Then I really have to ask why you are assuming that he would do so to you? Does he have a history of sending you things that you know for a fact have been used in a Wiccan ritual or so blessed as some sort of covert way to try to convert you? Is there a reason you can’t simply ask him (and more importantly, believe him if he says no)?

I am really not understanding why you would jump immediately to the conclusions you seem to have reached.
 
I can see your argument, but am not clear exactly how it applies in this situation. If the wreath were indeed hung about with pentagrams, heptagrams, chalices, athames or other symbols of whatever form of Wicca the brother practices, then there might be an argument that others seeing it hanging on the OP’s door might wonder at his lack of concern. However, he has simply described it as a plain wreath
" my brother sent me a wreath the kind made a garland that you hang on your doors for christmas. this one he made out of an old tree that we use to have lying around the house…he found a photo of us all around it. it was our christmas tree for 8 years or so."
His concern is that there is a good chance, in his opinion, that it was “blessed” or otherwise attached to a Wiccan practice or ritual.
Based on that description, it appears that not only is it innocuous in appearance, it is made from an old artificial Christmas tree. I am not aware that many Wiccans go around blessing wreaths made out of discarded plastic Christmas trees or that such are considered a sure sign of Wicca and therefore serve as a stumbling block to his neighbors?
I think it was a live tree. I think it is indeed innocuous. However, if he is concerned, then he should bless it himself, or have it blessed by the priest.
I don’t hear a lot of folks saying around the holidays: “oh, I didn’t know the Johnsons were Wiccan…look at that fake pine wreath on their door”. ./quote]

Exactly!
KarenNC;2929877:
Honestly, it all sounds like a huge overreaction, as he has no idea whether any such blessing might have taken place or not. It does, however, make me wonder how many items he has given his brother over the years that have been blessed with holy water or in some Catholic ceremony without telling his brother about it in hopes of having a secret effect on the brother.
I don’t think he was blessing the item(s) in the hope of “having a secret effect on the brother”. I think he wanted to make sure that anything and everything in his home was honoring to his Lord, Jesus, and that he prevent any evil influence from his own home. however, I do see that he would also like to have a positive influence on the brother, who he obviously loves and cares for deeply.
 
TMC,

If you are a Roman Catholic (indeed, your profile has nothing to indicate either way) then you would do well to educate yourself in the doctrines of the faith regarding Satanism and witchcraft before making such a statement.

Respectfully,

mary
I think I do understand the teachings of the Church on this issue. I think the Church acknowledges that pacts with the devil are possible, but teaches that the common belief in witches and magic is misplaced. If there is a contrary teaching I would like to learn of it. I am quite certain that the Church does not believe that Wiccan rituals are effective.
 
Not 100% sure about this, but doesn’t the church say it’s heresy to disbelieve in witchcraft? Again, I could be wrong…Really, though people think that magick is just saying a bunch a words and waving “magic” wands. Magick is simply creating a change in the universe. The only thing that matters is how strong your willpower and intent are. So, among some WIccans, even prayer is magick. Ofcourse, I know a few Catholics that would happily disagree. But, following this definition of magick, prayer is magick.
Yes, in this sense of the word magick, it is the same as prayer. Inasmuch as the individual alignes oneself with a power greater than oneself in order to will and effect a desired result.
 
As for Jesus, I believe he was a wonderful person. I still sometimes read the Bible, as some of his words and sayings are very powerful and wise. Some Wiccans actually worship Jesus as the archetypal energy of the sacrificial god. However, this is a small majority.

Scott

Scott - This is one of the many reasons why I remain not only Christian but Catholic as well:

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As Peter responded to Our Lord when Jesus asked if the disciples were about to leave Him too, he asked: “Lord, where shall we go?”

In good conscience I cannot leave. God works in and through His Church through His people.
 
Then I really have to ask why you are assuming that he would do so to you? Does he have a history of sending you things that you know for a fact have been used in a Wiccan ritual or so blessed as some sort of covert way to try to convert you? Is there a reason you can’t simply ask him (and more importantly, believe him if he says no)?

I am really not understanding why you would jump immediately to the conclusions you seem to have reached.
His brother may have blessed the wreath, and may have intentions of sharing blessings with brother. Neither means he is trying to “convert” him.
 
Then I really have to ask why you are assuming that he would do so to you? Does he have a history of sending you things that you know for a fact have been used in a Wiccan ritual or so blessed as some sort of covert way to try to convert you? Is there a reason you can’t simply ask him (and more importantly, believe him if he says no)?

I am really not understanding why you would jump immediately to the conclusions you seem to have reached.
do you not have any siblings? do you not understand how delicate these situations can be? If I come right out and ask him and I am right I have just lost a brother do to his shame. He has inlaws who are the very worst examples of christian people who do this to him all the time. they give his kids crosses and things. If I come right out and ask him and I am wrong I have still lost a brother due to the implied insult. it is difficult having a witch for a brother. I pray for him, but I fear he will be lost.
 
and I would have the wreath blessed by a priest and then have a little plaque placed by it stating that it has been blessed by a priest on such and such a date…so you brother actually sees that it was blessed by a priest.
 
do you not have any siblings? do you not understand how delicate these situations can be? If I come right out and ask him and I am right I have just lost a brother do to his shame. He has inlaws who are the very worst examples of christian people who do this to him all the time. they give his kids crosses and things. If I come right out and ask him and I am wrong I have still lost a brother due to the implied insult. it is difficult having a witch for a brother. I pray for him, but I fear he will be lost.
Is he in the habit of doing shameful things to you? I still don’t understand why you would automatically assume that it would have been blessed in some ritual? If he gave you a pair of socks would you have the same concerns about them, or is it just because this is a plastic representation of a tree and you think Wiccans worship trees? I promise you they can tell the difference between a real and a fake one.

Yes, I have a sibling and stepsiblings. I am the one who has the most concnern and connection for our shared family history (doing the genealogy, etc), so I would be the one most likely to find something related to our past and give it to her as a gift.

I follow a religion considered Neopagan (though not Wicca), all my extended family are very Christian, most extremely fundamentalist Protestant (my sister is not fundamentalist). My sister attempts to understand and respect my religious views though she doesn’t understand them and I am sure prays for me a lot. My parents, who know at least that we are non-Christian though not that we are specifically following a Neopagan religion, do indeed go out of their way to inundate us with emails, gifts, etc that are very specifically and overtly Christian, frequently proselytizing, including occasionally attempts to proselytize my young child (and for that reason, I am much more careful about monitoring her interactions with them than with her other grandparents).

I have never given any of them anything that was blessed in or involved in any sort of ritual or related even remotely to my religious path, nor would I dream of doing so. I certainly do not take family mementos and do so before passing them on. It would be deceitful, dishonest, disrespectful and totally against my religious principles. I would lay odds that if your brother is indeed having his inlaws shower him with such items, he is going to be hyper-aware of how such is perceived and be careful not to give you something that in any way, shape or form has been involved with his religious activities just to make sure he isn’t like them.

It also might help to know that Wicca is not a proselytizing religion nor do I know of any Wiccan who chooses to use a plastic tree as part of any ritual rather than a real one.

I agree I would find it insulting if, given absolutely no track record of ever having done such and knowing that my sister knew how I felt about getting stuff that was not of my religion, that she would automatically assume that just because I was not Christian I would do this to her. Putting a plaque on it, sticking a statue of Jesus on it, sending it back with a rosary, or some of the other things that are suggested would simply be rubbing salt into it. Would I disassociate from my sister because of it? Absolutely not. I would be ticked at her and tell her how disappointed I was that she was tarring me with the same brush as those Christians who do such things, but cut off a relationship with her----no way.

Unless you have explicit evidence to the contrary (ie it was covered in pentagrams or something), I would suggest that you assume the best of your brother and see it simply as an expression of family sentiment (which is exactly what I think it is). If you cannot do that, take it quietly to a priest and ask him to bless it, then never mention it to anyone again. Either way, it needs to be resolved quickly. Having this doubt tearing you up is going to have a much worse effect on your relationship with your brother than any mere object ever could. It is going to be the ever-growing “elephant in the room” in every interaction with him.
 
His brother may have blessed the wreath, and may have intentions of sharing blessings with brother. Neither means he is trying to “convert” him.
Do you routinely bless gifts that you give to friends who do not share your religion? No one I know does so unless they are trying to convert them. My family has a habit of doing this to us, which I find a bit amusing, as I remember distinctly my dad telling us at one point when we were children that we shouldn’t say “bless you” if someone sneezed because they might not be really Christian and God couldn’t bless someone who wasn’t a real Christian, so asking it was rather blasphemous (my father has a rather idiosyncratic and at times rather bizarre view of Christianity–I am well aware of this:) ).
 
His concern is that there is a good chance, in his opinion, that it was “blessed” or otherwise attached to a Wiccan practice or ritual. I think it was a live tree.
I still haven’t seen him say that his brother is in the habit of doing such or any other reason that would explain why he thinks so, other than it looks like a part of a tree.

If it was “an old tree we use to have laying around the house” and “had been their Christmas tree for eight years”, it is highly unlikely that it was a live tree.
 
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