My Daily Mass chapel does not have pews or kneelers. Just folding chairs.

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I find the responses to this thread interesting. With only one exception, the Deacon who rightly said that pews were unknown in Catholic Churches before the reformation, the responses show that few of the respondants have travelled outside of the US or Canada.
I for one have never set foot in either the USA or Canada.
I remember travelling in Spain in the 1950’s and finding no seats in most churches and folding chairs in the few that had chairs. The same conditions in many Churches in rural Italy and in the few Roman Catholic Churches in Greece.
I did see pews in the Catholic Churches in the Phillipines, but I put that down to the American influence because many of the Priests were American Missionaries or Phillipino Priests who went to Seminary in the US.
The congregations in these places do not seem to care about the lack of kneelers. They consider kneeling on the floor a normal thing and offer up any discomfort to the Lord.
Almost every church in Ireland, England, Scotland or Wales has pews and kneelers. Pews and kneelers are most definitely not American in origin. And every Church I have been in in Rome has had pews and kneelers. The presence of pews and kneelers is the norm, certainly in Europe. This certainly isn’t the result of American influence.
 
When I was in seminary, the chapel there only had chairs, no pews or kneelers. And, apparently, the Missionaries of Charity (Blessed Mother Theresa’s order) have no furniture at all in their chapels, just an altar and floor space. Fr. John Corapi recounted once when Mother Theresa was sick and near death, all the sisters knelt all night in prayer in front of the Blessed Sacrament, on the hard floor. It’s sad that we’d be hard pressed to find anyone who would even pray all night, or go to adoration, let alone kneel without kneelers for hours.
 
I have started attending a gorgeous church which is less than a mile from my home. 😃 It’s almost brand new…just over a year old. It’s gigantic. The main chapel seats at least 800 people. Has pews, etc. However the attached smaller chapel where Daily Mass is celebrated is obviously a much smaller chapel…but it only has folding chairs. No kneelers. No Pews. When you kneel you have to physically put your knees on the tile floor. There are a lot of elderly people who attend Daily Mass and they are not able to “kneel” to pray. It’s hard for me to kneel and I’m only 44! Only about 1/3 of the people kneel. It’s very disheartening. The smaller chapel does have a huge Altar and a GIGANTIC Crucifix hanging above the Altar and they are breathtaking. I am so thankful that Daily Mass is available twice a day every day. It’s all so beautiful except for the folding chairs.

It’s really sad. It’s a multi million dollar church but apparently pews and kneelers were not budgeted for the Daily Mass chapel. Why not celebrate Daily Mass in the main Chapel? Am I just being too picky and too critical? :o
Who is paying for the multi million dollar church and the cost of the utilities? Having Mass in the smaller chapel keeps the cost of electric for lighting as well as heating in the winder down. Sounds pretty nice. The parish could probably use some more pledges to get pews in the smaller chapel.
 
Who is paying for the multi million dollar church and the cost of the utilities? Having Mass in the smaller chapel keeps the cost of electric for lighting as well as heating in the winder down. Sounds pretty nice. The parish could probably use some more pledges to get pews in the smaller chapel.
This is probably dead on. I’m certain those pews and kneelers will come. I’ve been involved with building and remodeling churches and everything runs over budget for many reasons. If you make due with the chairs and the floor for now, they will find the money in the future for the niceties.

Somewhere between 30-50 people attend the 6:30 AM mass at my church. Even if it wasn’t financially practical to hold that mass in the sanctuary, it would look pretty silly with 50 people in an 1100 seat sanctuary.
 
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:bigyikes::bigyikes::bigyikes:

No pews or kneelers!!!

It can’t get much worse than that can it?
 
Orthodox churches traditionally have no pews, as did Catholic churches traditionally. Most Orthodox would envy your situation but say to get rid of the folding chairs. Stand!
 
Kneeling without kneelers??? Oh, the AGONY!
:rolleyes:

Wondering what our suffering Lord on the cross thinks of these complaints!
I know you’re just tongue in cheek, but truly, some people do have real physical issues. Thing is, those people with physical issues are the same ones who feel guilty (right or wrong) about NOT kneeling.
I know I do. If I were there, I would bring one of those garden cushions, just for my own peace of mind. 🙂 If feel silly sitting on the edge of the pew in Mass with one knee down, but that’s all I can manage because of the frequent getting up and down, Now, at Communion, I fully kneel. Because everyone takes a full minute to get up after that! 😃
Peace!
 
I know you’re just tongue in cheek, but truly, some people do have real physical issues. Thing is, those people with physical issues are the same ones who feel guilty (right or wrong) about NOT kneeling.
Exactly! I very much agree. Those of us who want to be fully present and attentive to Our Lord in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass find it difficult to do so if we feel as if spikes are being driven through our knees due to extreme pain from kneeling (without some sort of padding). There are other things that we can offer up during our day or week instead. IMO.
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It could be that they are waiting to install pews later. Or that they planned the space to be more flexible - For example, if it is thought to be an adoration chapel, than pews and kneelers aren’t necessary.

My parish has 3 daily Masses each day during the week (God bless my pastor!) which are all held in the main sanctuary. Our small chapel is set up for daily adoration with chairs and also a couch (:D) in the very back.

I think it is fine for you to ask about the chapel and if pews or sturdier chairs are planned. If it is a budget issue, offer to help with fundraising.
I agree that they could be adding those on at a later date, and the best thing to do is ask. As for the comment as to having Mass in the smaller chapel, money saving is the main reason. However, the parish I attend during the week does not have a smaller chapel, so the large church is used. It’s a ‘old school’ traditional church, with probably a 100 pews (50 each side, I think…maybe less), and easily has 75+ people at the Daily Mass. We are blessed to have a larger church building (fairly new) as well as what we call the Stone Chapel; the Stone Chapel is used in the summer for daily Masses for monetary reasons.

To the above: why wouldn’t pews and kneelers be necessary in an Adoration chapel? While they may not be ‘required’, they can be necessary. I’ve only been to two Adoration Chapels; one had pews with kneelers (my current church) and the other had chairs with kneelers attached to the back of them. Everyone I’ve encountered kneels at some point in front of the blessed Sacrament.
 
If that is the case then why not do away with standing and kneeling altogether? If all that matters is that we “believe in our hearts” then why not make it the norm for everyone to sit throughout every Mass in every church?

The Mass is full of symbolism and this symbolism has important meaning. The position of the congregation is part of this symbolism. It does matter. As well as praying with our mouths, we also pray with our bodies. Bodily posture is part of our prayer.
Well if theres no pews/kneelers in a community hall what are people to do? The priest made the decision to close the church for financial reasons over winter not the people.
 
I think people make too big of a deal about this.

If there are no kneelers and you can’t kneel then just stand or sit. If someone says something to you about not being reverent or not loving Jesus then tell them to take a hike and mind their own business. If there are no chairs then grab a folding chair from one of the classrooms or bring one of those little folding “Amazing Pocket Chair” jobbers that people bring to the softball game.

youtube.com/watch?v=wu37pXqrZQc. Who cares what people think. 🤷 The secret is in the dual action counter-rotational support system. 👍

I watched an elderly lady with a cane struggle out of her car, up the steps and stand in line for confession a few weeks ago. I went into the cry room and grabbed a chair and set it in the narthex for her to sit. She was most grateful but you would have thought that I just spit on the tabernacle the way some people looked at me. I wanted to yell, “examine your conscience and mind your own business.”

We have a priest who lets us add our own intentions to the bidding prayers. Someday I’m gonna say, “That God grants people the ability to mind their own business, let us pray to the Lord.”

Lord hear our prayer.

😃

-Tim-
 
I think people make too big of a deal about this.

If there are no kneelers and you can’t kneel then just stand or sit. If someone says something to you about not being reverent or not loving Jesus then tell them to take a hike and mind their own business. If there are no chairs then grab a folding chair from one of the classrooms or bring one of those little folding “Amazing Pocket Chair” jobbers that people bring to the softball game.

youtube.com/watch?v=wu37pXqrZQc. Who cares what people think. 🤷 The secret is in the dual action counter-rotational support system. 👍

I watched an elderly lady with a cane struggle out of her car, up the steps and stand in line for confession a few weeks ago. I went into the cry room and grabbed a chair and set it in the narthex for her to sit. She was most grateful but you would have thought that I just spit on the tabernacle the way some people looked at me. I wanted to yell, “examine your conscience and mind your own business.”

We have a priest who lets us add our own intention to the bidding prayers. Someday I’m gonna say, “That God grants people the ability to mind their own business, let us pray to the lord.”

Lord hear our prayer.

😃

-Tim-
But the Pocket Chair doesn’t state it’s for church! LOL 😃

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It’s normal for new churches to take a few years to acquire what we have come to think of as “normal”. When our church was built it was two or three years before we had a corpus on our cross. Some people thought that was a terrible thing that we had this bare cross but in our case it was just that a sculptor had been commissioned and it took a while for it to be finished.

Maybe there are already plans to get kneelers for the chapel; maybe not. It’s not unusual for a parish to want a small chapel to have flexible seating but perhaps portable seats with kneelers weren’t available or were outside of the current budget. Perhaps the parish has a list of items for which they are seeking donors. You won’t know unless you ask.

Whatever the reason it seems that there is a current problem. Those gardening pads seem like they would be a good inexpensive solution, at least in the short term. You might need to be the one who spearheads the project. Maybe pick up two or three and see if they are useful. If so, perhaps the regular attendees can chip in so you can arrange to purchase more. If the pastor and staff agree you can probably find some spot to store them when they are not being used.
 
Well if theres no pews/kneelers in a community hall what are people to do? The priest made the decision to close the church for financial reasons over winter not the people.
But this isn’t a makeship set-up in a community hall is it? This is a chapel in a church.

There are no votive candles, statues, etc. either in a community hall, should we therefore view it as OK if they are not included in our churches? Mass is often said on a fold-up table in a community hall, would that be OK in a church also? Our churches are not community halls.

If millions are spent on a new church, with all it’s design features, then at least kneelers for people to kneel and worship according to the rubrics of the church ought to be provided.
 
"We have a priest who lets us add our own intentions to the bidding prayers. Someday I’m gonna say, “That God grants people the ability to mind their own business, let us pray to the Lord.”

Lord hear our prayer".

😃
-Tim-

Reminds me of a funny story:
A priest friend of mine admitted to an elderly lady parishioner once that he didn’t have a particularly huge devotion to Our Lady when she offered to gift him with a rosary. He replied he loved the Blessed Mother, yes, but that his particular, “special” devotions were to St. Francis and some others. The next day at daily Mass this woman blurts out “And let us pray the we be sent a HOLY priest”. He blushed and said, he KNEW she was talkin about him. :eek:
 
A priest friend of mine admitted to an elderly lady parishioner once that he didn’t have a particularly huge devotion to Our Lady when she offered to gift him with a rosary. He replied he loved the Blessed Mother, yes, but that his particular, “special” devotions were to St. Francis and some others. The next day at daily Mass this woman blurts out “And let us pray the we be sent a HOLY priest”. He blushed and said, he KNEW she was talkin about him. :eek:
👍 That’s brilliant! Good for her. Parishes could do with more parishioners like her. 👍
 
You cannot seriously mean that that was an appropriate way to speak of her parish priest?
The priest in question shrugged and laughed about it a bit.

After that he asked me to make him a rosary with a Francis and Clare centerpiece.

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