My friend lied to me

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a) this wasn’t a white lie (that is, a lie meant to spare the person being lied to from harm or an exaggeration of the truth not really meant to be literally believed) and
b) he seemed proud of himself for deceiving her about the kind of person he is

If that is your life, wow, that is a rough. Even people who tell white lies meant to spare someone’s feelings usually feel a bit bad about it. I have learned that people who are proud of their lies are people to be wary of, but particularly if they hold the victim of their lies in contempt. If they have a cruel sense of humor, triple that. The people who do that can be just plain dangerous. I don’t think I’ve ever personally known one who was good in the sense of exhibiting real integrity when it counted. 😦
A) The issue isn’t wether the lie is white or not. A white lie is a lie no matter how you put it, hell its even called a “lie”. But that is still beside the point.

B) Proud liars, compulsive liars, mythomaniacs, manipulative personalities and general a**holes are not a rare breed.

Big city cats have like it rough :hey_bud: Im just mentioning it from a different perspective here. In my opinion the perticular lie of this thread is not worth the amount of attention it has gotten from the OP as it was pretty harmless. Its actually done the OP more good than bad as now he/she knows more about the liar of the day :ehh:
 
A) The issue isn’t wether the lie is white or not. A white lie is a lie no matter how you put it, hell its even called a “lie”. But that is still beside the point.

B) Proud liars, compulsive liars, mythomaniacs, manipulative personalities and general a**holes are not a rare breed.

Big city cats have like it rough :hey_bud: Im just mentioning it from a different perspective here. In my opinion the perticular lie of this thread is not worth the amount of attention it has gotten from the OP as it was pretty harmless. Its actually done the OP more good than bad as now he/she knows more about the liar of the day :ehh:
Do not get me wrong, I’m not advocating in favor of so-called white lies.

I’m also not saying that “proud liars, compulsive liars, mythomaniacs, manipulative personalities and general a**holes” are at all rare. I’m saying DO NOT TRUST ONE.

I agree that having to endure this particular lie itself was a small price to pay for learning the truth about this fellow. The lie itself was pointless to the point of being bizarre. I am only saying that I would not take this to be an isolated incident. When someone’s usual habit is to tell the truth, they are embarrassed to admit to a lie, even if they had “virtuous” rationalizations to tell it. When someone brags about a lie and thinks their deceit speaks well for them, figure that seeing that lie is like having seen a rat. Where there is one, there are a hundred more that you don’t see, and they cannot be safely presumed to be harmless.

To make your point, psychologists usually say that a person who has only broken a promise or pushed over the boundary of the truth with you once or twice and in a small way may well be someone who is as trustworthy as the next person. When the person has let you down or told you a sizeable lie three times or more, even if they seem “nice” in other ways, do not trust them. A “nice” person might tell you a dress does not look fat on you when it makes you look like a bloated hippopotamus, but they won’t ditch you for another date and lie to you about it more than the once or twice it takes them to learn how awful it feels to be deceitful. If they do it three times, expect a steady diet of the same in the future, and probably much worse. Yeah, maybe they won’t be that bad, but when it comes to really evil people, people with no conscience or empathy, people who will lie to you as soon as look at you, catching them three times or catching them at something that shows they are comfortable liars may be all the warning you get, and more than they give most people. If you don’t want to join their list of victims, give them a wide berth, and don’t give them any reason to want to get back at you.
 
Easterjoy, yeah hope he isn’t lying about other stuff. Sigh it’s so awkward now, I don’t want to say hey I know you just made that whole thing up about wanting to get the bag for me…because that’ll make it sound like I just wanted the bag…when it has nothing to do with that, but it has to do with the fact that he was being insincere in his words…and so now I have to talk to him like I feel normal about him but inside of course I know he’s dishonest :confused:
 
Easterjoy, yeah hope he isn’t lying about other stuff. Sigh it’s so awkward now, I don’t want to say hey I know you just made that whole thing up about wanting to get the bag for me…because that’ll make it sound like I just wanted the bag…when it has nothing to do with that, but it has to do with the fact that he was being insincere in his words…and so now I have to talk to him like I feel normal about him but inside of course I know he’s dishonest :confused:
Talking to him is not likely to accomplish much, and I would not advise you to do it. I would advise you to refrain from making him a confidant and to resist any effort he makes to gain your trust.

This does not mean you have to avoid him as if he were carrying the plague. Phalanx made a good point, which is that there are a lot of people out there who are lying to you when they believe they have a reason to do it. Some do it to spare your feelings, some do it to cover their own laziness or other faults, some do it to make themselves look good, some do it to manipulate you, some do it just because they can.

We are not suggesting that you become cynical. We are suggesting that you realize that human nature and particularly contemporary moral norms (such as they are) guarantee that a large fraction of the population is being lied to every day. If you get into the wrong group, you’ll find that essentially everyone tells exactly as much of the truth as suits their purposes.

When you look for close friends, look for people who speak uncomfortable truths. I do not mean in an unkind way, but when it is necessary, particularly when the uncomfortable truths are about themselves. I also do not mean people who flippantly brag about their vices as if a vice is a positive thing if you can get people to laugh over it. I mean people who admit and apologize when they’ve made mistakes, before you catch them at it. I mean people who take it for granted that promises will be kept, who follow the Lord’s maxim: Let your ‘Yes’ mean ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No’ mean ‘No.’ Anything more is from the evil one. Be that kind of person, so you can be true friends with that kind of a person. To be discreet is fine; you don’t have to spill your secrets to the whole world. I mean to be and to rely upon the kind of person who does not deceive.

It is hardly possible that the fellow you have posted about is currently that kind of a person. Pray for him. This is a very common temptation in our times; perhaps he will amend himself. These are also times, though, when people who lack emotional consciences are unlikely to develop consciences based on intellect or adherence to prevailing social norms, which are weak and largely emotion-based. We are a golden age for sociopaths, and that kind is out there ruining a lot of lives. Sociopaths really do exist in high numbers (some psychologists estimate the number as perhaps as many as 4% of the overall non-prison population in the US), they almost never amend themselves, they can be masters of pretending at caring and contrition, and they have a radar for trusting victims. Do not let yourself become one of their victims.

I was going to say, “look for real evidence that he has before you trust him, though, and I do mean real evidence,” but in retrospect I’d say, “When it comes to the people you trust, pass on this guy.” Someone who has made lying into an amusing sport is someone waving one of the biggest red flags you are likely to see. Do not ignore it. You know he will lie to your face and brag about it later. Advise yourself to see him as he has presented himself to his friend when he thought you wouldn’t find out. If he amends himself, he’ll find other friends besides you. Love all, be patient with and hope for repentance for all and mercy for all, but choose carefully the few whom you will trust.
 
Yes, of course. Whether its white lies, exagerations, half-truths or outright legitimate bullsh*t, im quite sure everyone who interacts with humans get “lied” to every day
I think this is sad. I have to say I have been lied too, but I usually can tell and I confront the lie then and there. I just can’t stand it when I know someone is lying to me.

One of the running jokes in the family came from my grandmother. I was supposed to tell a ‘white lie’ to my father as part of a way to get him to come to a surprise birthday party. As I picked up the phone I could feel my face turn hot and red. My grandmother said: “Oh never mind.” “One thing we know about you is you can’t lie.” “You never have been able to tell a lie.”

I don’t take this as any sort of special merit on my part, just a very wonderful gift from God. I can’t lie. Even the thought of a “little lie” makes my face turn bright red, and I start to stutter almost. Everyone gets a good laugh out of it and they try to get me to tell some sort of lie just to see this response…like setting up story for others to hear or setting up a surprise party for someone. It never works.
 
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