My friend says he receives Mary in the Eucharist?

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Apples and oranges.

For all anyone can say, based on your report at least, Jesus may well be truly appearing to your bus bus buddy. She wasn’t spreading error about fundamental matters of faith.

And I take issue with your implication that people of a certain age must necessarily be not worth taking seriously.

Regan was President at 79, don’t forget. Mother Teresa was still doing her thing into her 80s. People of their vintage are often vibrant and active, and should where possible be paid the courtesy of being treated as such.
 
“Taking someone seriously” takes into account their role and what they are doing. An 89-year-old in a leadership or ministry position who is teaching wrong doctrine is a concern. An 89-year-old speaking enthusiastically about the Virgin Mary to his friend and getting a couple things wrong is not a concern.

And the vast majority of 89-year-olds are not in leadership or teaching positions, and do not express themselves as well as they did even at age 75.

But by all means, go ahead and write a letter to the Bishop that this old man is the next Arius or Luther if it makes you feel better. Don’t be surprised if the Bishop rolls his eyes just like I am doing.
 
we are sharing the Body , Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.

Note the word Divinity.

Only God as the Father, Son and Holy Ghost has Divinity. This is the best way to explain what we are sharing in, when taking the Eucharist.
 
The only ministry or leadership role he has, is that he’s the one who leads the Rosary everyday at church.

🤣 About writing a letter to the Bishop…yes, :roll_eyes: definitely agreed.

I had just wondered if there was just any basis to what he was saying. And the conclusion I’ve reached from everyone’s comments is that I can kind of understand what he’s meaning by receiving Mary in the Eucharist, but I still disagree. And his statement that it was actually Mary’s blood that has redeemed us: I don’t think I’ve ever heard a more serious heresy.

We have agreed to disagree in the past, but he still brings these things up often. Maybe he just doesn’t remember our agreement–or he’s very passionate about this and wants to keep trying to convince me. But anyhow, I do feel it’s me who’s probably in the wrong…not doctrinally, but because arguing with him just doesn’t seem right.
 
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“Kind of mentoring” could mean anything from an informal grandpa-buddy relationship, to something more formal working with RCIA converts.

Pastors are busy. Would it be so hard to just gently correct the “couple of people” he’s “kind of mentoring” without having to make it a big “I’m calling the pastor on you” issue?
If this was a 55-year-old parishioner leading a Bible study course, I would call the pastor, but it seems like overkill for the situation.

Anyway, it’s time for me to mute this thread as I think I have expressed my position adequately and on multiple responses now, so it’s getting repetitive. I hope y’all don’t call the Inquisition on this little old man.
 
Fundamentally, this man’s heart is in the right place. He loves Mother Mary so much that he wants to receive her (in a technical way that makes sense to him) along with the body of Jesus. Surely, Jesus is loving the adoration that this man is giving.

Can’t imagine Jesus rolling his eyes at someone’s ignorance. He is Setting himself up for getting lots of hugs from a certain lady, I’m sure.
 
Unfortunately, this is not the first time I’ve heard this… Corruptions and abuses in devotion to Mary happen.
 
I think it is kind of a backfiring of events. Sometimes people are afraid to talk about Mary, so no one gets the wrong idea and then because she isn’t talked about, people get the wrong idea.

Such as with Mary as co-redemptrix. Popes have spoken of her as co-Redemptrix but have held off giving her that title to keep people from misunderstanding her role in salvation but it has left many confused in regards to that role.
 
ConstantLearner said:
That’s a little harsh, don’t you think? He’s an eighty-nine-year-old man, not an RCIA leader. A lot of people his age get strange ideas.
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Why? In the Eucharist is the Real Presence of Christ, and not Christ plus Mary.
Unless this person has lost his mental faculties then age does not matter.
 
AT 89 it is possible that this person might be trying to explain something that is being misunderstood. They may be having difficulty explaining what they have heard or read. There are always be those at 89 who are still very mentally clear but most likely by this age people do lose some of their mental sharpness and have difficulty expressing themselves.
 
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AT 89 it is possible that this person might be trying to explain something that is being misunderstood. They may be having difficulty explaining what they have heard or read. There are always be those at 89 who are still very mentally clear but most likely by this age people do lose some of their mental sharpness and have difficulty expressing themselves.
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And, she did say he was extremely devoted to Mary. It might be nice if the pastor spoke with him, not to chastise him, but to gently help him achieve clarity regarding the Eucharist and to assure him he can show his devotion to Mary in other ways.
 
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Why? In the Eucharist is the Real Presence of Christ, and not Christ plus Mary.
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Because the most important thing in any religion isn’t strict adherence to every detail, but charity and compassion. and because we are all going to be eighty-nine some day - if we’re lucky.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
Because the most important thing in any religion isn’t strict adherence to every detail, but charity and compassion. and because we are all going to be eighty-nine some day - if we’re lucky.
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The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and not Mary is NOT a mere detail. It is a core belief and anyone who is not mentally impaired must believe that or they won’t be saved if dying in a state of rejecting this doctrine.
 
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thistle said:
The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and not Mary is NOT a mere detail. It is a core belief and anyone who is not mentally impaired must believe that or they won’t be saved if dying in a state of rejecting this doctrine.
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Do you think all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, most Protestants, etc., are going to hell? I find that absurd.

I don’t think we can say who will be saved and who will not be saved. That is for God to decide, and God alone. In fact, the Catholic Church teaches that we cannot know if anyone will not be saved.

I never said it was a mere detail. This man is not teaching a class; he’s leading recitation of the rosary. I said an eighty-nine-year-old man, who is devoted to Mary, should be treated with charity, kindness, and compassion. If any religion puts “rules” above love of neighbor, it is a religion without God at its center. Even Jesus broke the Law. He put people first. The pastor could explain - very gently - to this lovely man that no one receives Mary in Holy Communion, but there are other ways to honor her. This man is a child of God, a human being God loves. This man was created in the image and likeness of God and must be shown that respect.
 
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thistle said:
The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and not Mary is NOT a mere detail. It is a core belief and anyone who is not mentally impaired must believe that or they won’t be saved if dying in a state of rejecting this doctrine.
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While I think this is a serious error, I remember Jesus’ response to the Sadducees, who were teaching that there’s no such thing as life after death–a serious error indeed. With respect, and without condemnation, Jesus only told them that they were wrong.

My friend is greatly beloved by both the Lord and by Mary. And he loves both of them with his whole heart.
I hardly think his salvation is in danger. I can only imagine them putting their arms around him…maybe they would mention this to him, and maybe they wouldn’t. I couldn’t begin to say.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
Do you think all Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, most Protestants, etc., are going to hell? I find that absurd.

I don’t think we can say who will be saved and who will not be saved. That is for God to decide, and God alone. In fact, the Catholic Church teaches that we cannot know if anyone will not be saved.

I never said it was a mere detail. This man is not teaching a class; he’s leading recitation of the rosary. I said an eighty-nine-year-old man, who is devoted to Mary, should be treated with charity, kindness, and compassion. If any religion puts “rules” above love of neighbor, it is a religion without God at its center. Even Jesus broke the Law. He put people first. The pastor could explain - very gently - to this lovely man that no one receives Mary in Holy Communion, but there are other ways to honor her. This man is a child of God, a human being God loves. This man was created in the image and likeness of God and must be shown that respect.
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First, this is a thread about what a Catholic believes about the Eucharist. If you want to discuss the issue of no salvation outside the Catholic Church then start another thread because I am not taking the thread off topic.

Second, we DO KNOW ( I am talking about Catholics) who will be saved or not. We cannot say which specific individuals will be saved or go to Hell but we can say with 100% certainty that objectively anyone who dies in a state of mortal sin goes immediately to Hell.
That is an INFALLIBLE teaching of the Church.
 
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