My friend!

[Christy_Beth]

So, you’re planning on having the surgery some time in the future? I’ve heard that it is expensive. My only concern is that you feel comfortable “in your own skin.” Which ever gender you are, I don’t want you to later regret what you’ve done.

I’ve only one transgender person before. The situation wasn’t the greatest, but it got me to thinking about the issue. You need to do what you believe is right.

That said, I’ve been wondering about your name. I’m curious about it, and I was wondering what it means. Do you mind if I ask about it?

Oh, I didn’t mean to sound like a wet blanket at the beginning of this reply. What you’re facing is a big step. I think I’d be a bit scared about it.

 

[aspawloski4th]

So, you’re planning on having the surgery some time in the future? I’ve heard that it is expensive. My only concern is that you feel comfortable “in your own skin.” Which ever gender you are, I don’t want you to later regret what you’ve done.

I’ve only one transgender person before. The situation wasn’t the greatest, but it got me to thinking about the issue. You need to do what you believe is right.

That said, I’ve been wondering about your name. I’m curious about it, and I was wondering what it means. Do you mind if I ask about it?

Oh, I didn’t mean to sound like a wet blanket at the beginning of this reply. What you’re facing is a big step. I think I’d be a bit scared about it.

Very legitimate question I shall answer. When I signed up for CAF I did know I was transsexual, but was petrified to express my true inneer self totally, and was trying to hide from my inner self if you can understand that. In late 2006 I evedn tried to purge my inner female indentity out of me>Despite never even tthinking of suicide it did come closs to killing me. My blood pressure shot up to close to 190/ 130 and stayed that way despite meds. co workers said I was like the living dead then. Because I was trying to convince my self I was male and so-on. After several months of that I got tired and worn down and longed to express my female inner self again. I got back on the net , went for walks around the block in a female persona again… When I started doing that my blood pressure started going down to eventually a more normal level for me. I consider my name to be Stephanie Heather , but leegally its Adam Stephan pawloski 4th which I put a short form of when I signed up for CAF when I was still trying to hide from myself. Thesedays Im in the female persona about 30 % of the time give or take. I still work as a male at my 2 jobs and on account I still have facial hair that grows like wildfire from family genetics Im not going to present stephaie if not shaved but once I had my facial hair removed Im going to be out as stephanie a lot more. Yes I plan to have all the surgeires someday but being near poverty in income level puts severe limits on things Barb before she got caught up in a nasty divorce situation was going to help me with making my resume more geared to technical jobs. So if I could change my name I would but CAF for whatever reason doesnt allow it so I stay aspawloski4th even though in my heart and soul that couldnt be further from the truth.

 

[Lynn-D]

Close? It’s there

I’m no neurobiologist, but I think it’d be hard to argue about brain structure.

And the late David Reimer basically proved that gender identity is a matter of nature rather than nurture, socialization, or any of that, poor guy.

Now on the bad news front, the guy in charge of writing the relevant section of the DSM-V? Kenneth Zucker. The guy is to gender what Joe Nicolosi (the director of NARTH) is to sexual orientation – regressive, espouses a form of ‘reparative’ or conversion therapy, in short, misguided and dangerous at best case. Could set things back a good long way

Zucker is now heading a committee in regard to changes in the DSM-5 GID standards which will affect all transsexual’s and he sees them all as being about the same as gender variant transgender and simply a matter of nurturing usually driven by sexual orientation and/or responses.

I sat in on a presentation of his and believe me the man is a absolute jerk. I worked as a social worker a while back and if anyone told me help was available to a client through someone of his ilk I would hide the client.

The strong research data seems to be totally ignored by him and it includes more than the BSTc done by the Dutch studies but also the genetic findings done by the Swedes in support of the transsexual genetic linkage to that of a congenital anomaly.

Zucker will be joined by others on the APA panels such as Blanchard and Kettenis who both see homosexuality as being a non disorder but attach homosexuality to transsexuals confusingly in two classes: homosexual transsexual or non-homosexuals with the former presenting to most as a negative. Figure that one out and you get the gold ring.

If a child is born with a female brain as per the BSTc and genetic studies but with a male body and is attracted to males then the child is classed as homosexual by this group even if the child never had a sexual experience before corrective surgery. And after surgery if the patient, now a female, is heterosexual and attracted to males she would still be classed as homosexual. Is someone drinking some of the kool aid left over from Jim Jones of Guyana fame?

David Reimer was one of two Canadian twins born male. During circumcision a surgical error took place that made him basically non functional as a male. Dr Money of Johns Hopkins, the predecessor of McHugh, convinced the parents that brain sex was malleable and if David was changed into a girl SHE would function normally as a female. Never happened since David’s brain sex was male. The brain sex is inborn before even the physical sex is developed and the truth of this was perfectly exampled by David. He never became a female mentally no matter the conditioning. He behaved as a boy no matter how much his family and doctors treated him as a female and no matter how many female hormones were given him. When he finally found out the truth he changed back to a male as much as was possible and then married a woman and adopted children.

But the damage was already done. He could not live with the fact of what he had become and committed suicide as did also his twin brother.

Zucker and Money: two peas in a pod. Add Blanchard, Bailey, Lawrence, Dreger, et al, and you have a garden patch of entangled weeds sitting on the APA throne.

Lynn-D

 

[Mirdath]

Zucker is now heading a committee in regard to changes in the DSM-5 GID standards which will affect all transsexual’s and he sees them all as being about the same as gender variant transgender and simply a matter of nurturing usually driven by sexual orientation and/or responses.

Waaaait up there… could you explain that a bit? Does he really believe GID and sexual orientation are inextricably linked or am I reading that wrong? :hypno: I’ve done a good bit of homework on the subject but don’t have your groundlevel experience, and I’m not necessarily up on all the latest stuff (I have no idea what Blanchard, Kettenis, etcetera have done) – it doesn’t help that I’ve only taken intro to psych and general bio either

 

[Christy_Beth]

asp.

How would you like to be addressed here? Perhaps as Stephanie? If you feel that’s the biggest part of being who you are, then I’m ok with that.

 

[Lynn-D]

Waaaait up there… could you explain that a bit? Does he really believe GID and sexual orientation are inextricably linked or am I reading that wrong? :hypno: I’ve done a good bit of homework on the subject but don’t have your groundlevel experience, and I’m not necessarily up on all the latest stuff (I have no idea what Blanchard, Kettenis, etcetera have done) – it doesn’t help that I’ve only taken intro to psych and general bio either

Zucker is chairing one of the committee’s that will be dealing with the GID changes in the DSM-5 standards. Zucker’s presentation that I sat in on focused on the sexual orientation of transsexuals rather than the medical research that dealt with a biological cause which has been explained in the BSTc studies which both you and I mentioned.

Understand when I say GID I am only addressing the transsexual aspect of it and that is where Zucker, Kettenis and others use the homosexual and non-homosexual terms. In fact I do not believe that transsexuals, at least true transsexuals, have a gender identity disorder since the gender is brain and that has already been established in the womb. There can be no change of gender (brain sex), it is hardwired in the first stages of fetal development so if anything the later formed physical body is the disordered element. Let us not confuse brain gender with genital sex or sexual orientation; gender is inherent and in time sexual orientation may also be proven to be inherently genetic as well.

This of course would not apply to transgender who for a myriad of reasons do fluctuate their gender in fantasies, urges and desires and most in that non-biological construct are actually heterosexual males and even females who cross-dress for sexual pleasure. Seems many of this type are ‘growing’ from a desire to ‘dress up’ to a request to have surgery and most I have to assume are autogynephilic and not really transsexual. True transsexual as Dr Diamond has stated are better explained as being neurologically intersex although some are found to be physically intersex as well.
Lynn-D

 

[Della]

I’ve already got moral support for this. The time , the money and know how have to come next, because unfortunately Im just too reuler of a person to do this on my own. I plan to start a transsexual right to life organization in Barb’s name. I cant wait for the debate and ooohs and aaaahhhs that will get, while that group gets to what ever business is at hand. I can see the self ritious fumbling for speach at that. The nay sayers will have to lead, follow or get out of the way! Just think what good could come of this. But certain nay sayers here would of wanted me to just go thru a certain therapy to try to make me " like being a guy". Which would leave dysfunctionialble and wasting my life trying to come with false terms of being a male, when I could just of been allowed to be myself and flourish and thrive. Ill respeat what I said earier be your self means nothing, Because of my friend Barb’s encouragement I’m not affraid to be my self anymore.

I’m going to have to disappoint you here. I have no objections to you or anyone else starting a foundation to help those afflicted by transsexualism. And I don’t have to fumble for words to say it, either. People need support when they are hurting. And, I say this with all the gentleness in the world, that your friend should have sought help instead of self-medicating. Anyone trying to solve/come to terms with a serious affliction who self-medicates is asking for trouble. I’m so sorry your friend went that route. Sadly, it explains a lot.

What I do have a problem with is the idea that religious people, ipso facto, are guilty of hating people because they will not accept as normal transsexualism. That is not hatred that is seeing things as the are. Period. Transsexualism is not normal–it’s abnormal. Neither word is a pejorative term, only description of fact. Just as being born with four arms is abnormal, it is what it is.

I also never wrote that any transsexual will be “cured” by going to counseling. I wrote that counseling might help such persons deal with their condition, which means accepting the possibility that there may never be a cure.

For example, I suffer from 3 chronic conditions for which there are no cures. So, what do I do? Do I make my life a misery by defining myself as a sufferer of three chronic conditions? Or do I accept the fact of them and go on? I choose to go on. That is what I am talking about.

As to changing ones body to try to match ones brain, if brains really are the sum total of what we are, rearranging organs will not make a person into another gender, it will only make one appear male/female. And if that’s what a person wants, that’s up to him/her. It doesn’t make it a good decision because of that–it just makes it an option. No one has to agree it is a good thing in order to still care about one who does it.

 

[aspawloski4th]

I’m going to have to disappoint you here. I have no objections to you or anyone else starting a foundation to help those afflicted by transsexualism. And I don’t have to fumble for words to say it, either. People need support when they are hurting. And, I say this with all the gentleness in the world, that your friend should have sought help instead of self-medicating. Anyone trying to solve/come to terms with a serious affliction who self-medicates is asking for trouble. I’m so sorry your friend went that route. Sadly, it explains a lot.

What I do have a problem with is the idea that religious people, ipso facto, are guilty of hating people because they will not accept as normal transsexualism. That is not hatred that is seeing things as the are. Period. Transsexualism is not normal–it’s abnormal. Neither word is a pejorative term, only description of fact. Just as being born with four arms is abnormal, it is what it is.

I also never wrote that any transsexual will be “cured” by going to counseling. I wrote that counseling might help such persons deal with their condition, which means accepting the possibility that there may never be a cure.

For example, I suffer from 3 chronic conditions for which there are no cures. So, what do I do? Do I make my life a misery by defining myself as a sufferer of three chronic conditions? Or do I accept the fact of them and go on? I choose to go on. That is what I am talking about.

As to changing ones body to try to match ones brain, if brains really are the sum total of what we are, rearranging organs will not make a person into another gender, it will only make one appear male/female. And if that’s what a person wants, that’s up to him/her. It doesn’t make it a good decision because of that–it just makes it an option. No one has to agree it is a good thing in order to still care about one who does it.

I can tell the difference between hatred and unacceptance. And Ive seen both first hand, But hatred or loathing is more common, and one who will not condone but not hate either in my personal experience is a rarity. When the " conservative" side on issues of this type they hide from the intellectual arguements my using the wrod normal. If you want to use that acronym there would be no one related to me what so ever that is normal. Yes I have other diagnosesis too, like dystimia, a confidence robbing constant type of depression. that is incurable and not normal. transsexualism goes to a totally different inner level. When I see people function in life tons better when they are living the gender that " fits" better to their inner being logic tell me transsexualism has got to have legitimacy to it. Dont tell me to deny what Ive seen with my own eyes. I know transsexuals that if they were in the type of therapy that would attempt to make them accept living as their sex rather than their inner gender theyd be either dead or functionally an invalid. Its a good thing those of the ilk of debunking transsexuality dont totally. run the show in the psycholigical world, because they did there would be many more cases of suicide than now.

 

[Della]

Forgive me for seeming to cherry pick at your post–that is not my intention. I agree with much of what you wrote, and wanted just to address this part of your post:

I know transsexuals that if they were in the type of therapy that would attempt to make them accept living as their sex rather than their inner gender theyd be either dead or functionally an invalid.

I didn’t say they should do this. Please reread my post very carefully. I wrote just what I meant–that sometimes we have to accept what is wrong with us. Acceptance doesn’t mean denying anything. It means fully accepting ones situation and making the best of it.

For the Catholic Jesus is our prime example. He accepted everything that was done to him as an innocent victim. In doing so he elevated suffering above mere pain or mental anguish to that of divine grace.

Whenever we accept our sufferings, be they great or small, we open our hearts and minds to divine grace. And allowing this divine grace to work in our lives brings us inner peace even if the situation cannot be resolved in this life.

This is what made it and still makes it possible for people to suffer greatly but still have an inner joy that no one can take from them.

Since you are posting your situation and that of your friend’s on a Catholic forum you are, naturally enough, going to get a Catholic perspective. And the Catholic perspective is love for everyone, tolerance for everyone’s weaknesses, but an implacable hatred for that which destroys lives, and what destroys lives is falsehood. It is truth that sets us free and lies that kill us, not self identity.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Forgive me for seeming to cherry pick at your post–that is not my intention. I agree with much of what you wrote, and wanted just to address this part of your post:

I didn’t say they should do this. Please reread my post very carefully. I wrote just what I meant–that sometimes we have to accept what is wrong with us. Acceptance doesn’t mean denying anything. It means fully accepting ones situation and making the best of it.

For the Catholic Jesus is our prime example. He accepted everything that was done to him as an innocent victim. In doing so he elevated suffering above mere pain or mental anguish to that of divine grace.

Whenever we accept our sufferings, be they great or small, we open our hearts and minds to divine grace. And allowing this divine grace to work in our lives brings us inner peace even if the situation cannot be resolved in this life.

This is what made it and still makes it possible for people to suffer greatly but still have an inner joy that no one can take from them.

Since you are posting your situation and that of your friend’s on a Catholic forum you are, naturally enough, going to get a Catholic perspective. And the Catholic perspective is love for everyone, tolerance for everyone’s weaknesses, but an implacable hatred for that which destroys lives, and what destroys lives is falsehood. It is truth that sets us free and lies that kill us, not self identity.

Actually there is no official comprehnsive stand of possition yet. What you are saying is common Catholic opinion but not official, for the church. I can cherry pick with the best of them. If I had my old compuuter still going I could dig up statements that agree with me from " conservative " bishops, but my memory unfortunately eludes me. The church at one time taught that the Earth was at the center of the universo which has lots of symbolism of a proud ilk and now has agreed science is correct and gotten rid of that stance. I good example of loathing I was speaking of is in the thread about " the transvestie waiter". when we have a medical problem it is normal to fix it. example Ive passed 30 kidneystones in my life. when I get an attack I dont sit there and accept it I go to the emergency room and take care of the problem. If I dont severe repercussions are in the realm of possibility. We the same goes for trnassexuality. the brain isnnt in concordance with the body. Yes thats a mistake nature mad because this is a fallen world nature makes mistakes all the time ie hermaphrotitic people or albinos. Im brain definately works like a female. Ive been told that in person I communicate like a female by a few friends before they know of my condition. What does the phrase be your self mean to you?

 

[Dale_M]

Della, thank you for the gentleness of your posts. I hope others will respond in a similar fashion, which should be the standard in a Christian forum such as this.

Yes, you are correct. Transsexualism is abnormal. It is not the situation faced by most persons. But some persons suffer from the condition, just as some persons suffer from other developmental disorders. It only makes sense for a person so afflicted to take medical action to alleviate the pain.

Yes, there are times when we must accept suffering, and to offer it up as a living sacrifice. But we each individually have to decide what is necessary suffering and what is needless suffering. If there is a medical treatment, why not available oneself to it?

I suppose some transsexuals will see their condition as a crucifixion which must be endured until death. But I don’t think it is necessary for all transsexuals to embrace this state.

 

[Christy_Beth]

Good one Dale! I’ve come across many people who think that anyone who isn’t like them is totally lost. I’m mentally ill,living on disability. And I’ve been told that “there’s no such thing as disability.” Well, I sure can’t work because of my problems. Trying to do so would be almost like trying suicide. And I ***don’t ***want to go there!!

 

[Dale_M]

Christy Beth, thank you for the kind word.

I am sorry you are suffering to the point of disability. I would never had known if you hadn’t mentioned it. I hope you have enough income to make ends meet - I think it would be horrible to be constantly worrying about money, on top of all the other difficulties you face. And I pray that a treatment be developed so you can live life more fully.

 

[Della]

Actually there is no official comprehnsive stand of possition yet. What you are saying is common Catholic opinion but not official, for the church. I can cherry pick with the best of them. If I had my old compuuter still going I could dig up statements that agree with me from " conservative " bishops, but my memory unfortunately eludes me. The church at one time taught that the Earth was at the center of the universo which has lots of symbolism of a proud ilk and now has agreed science is correct and gotten rid of that stance. I good example of loathing I was speaking of is in the thread about " the transvestie waiter". when we have a medical problem it is normal to fix it. example Ive passed 30 kidneystones in my life. when I get an attack I dont sit there and accept it I go to the emergency room and take care of the problem. If I dont severe repercussions are in the realm of possibility. We the same goes for trnassexuality. the brain isnnt in concordance with the body. Yes thats a mistake nature mad because this is a fallen world nature makes mistakes all the time ie hermaphrotitic people or albinos. Im brain definately works like a female. Ive been told that in person I communicate like a female by a few friends before they know of my condition. What does the phrase be your self mean to you?

 

[Della]

Actually there is no official comprehnsive stand of possition yet. What you are saying is common Catholic opinion but not official, for the church. I can cherry pick with the best of them. If I had my old compuuter still going I could dig up statements that agree with me from " conservative " bishops, but my memory unfortunately eludes me.

I think we are at cross purposes here. As it currently stands, transsexualism is, as you put it, a disconnect between body and brain. And that is abnormal, as are the other conditions you cited. And as you will recall, I put a disclaimer on my cherry picking because I stated that I agreed, for the most part and in large part with your other statements.

The church at one time taught that the Earth was at the center of the universo which has lots of symbolism of a proud ilk and now has agreed science is correct and gotten rid of that stance. I good example of loathing I was speaking of is in the thread about " the transvestie waiter".

The Church never taught anything about the placement of the Earth in the universe. That was the prevailing scientific idea at a certain time in history, not Church teaching. The Church bows to science in matters of the natural world. It’s only concern is questions of faith and morals–how those impact us as human beings. The only reason the Church had any interest in it is because people were saying that our not being in the center of the universe denied Church teaching, which is didn’t, never has, and never will. Therefore, it’s a moot point.

I haven’t read the “transvestie waiter” thread, so I’m afraid I can’t comment on its posts.

when we have a medical problem it is normal to fix it. example Ive passed 30 kidneystones in my life. when I get an attack I dont sit there and accept it I go to the emergency room and take care of the problem. If I dont severe repercussions are in the realm of possibility. We the same goes for trnassexuality. the brain isnnt in concordance with the body. Yes thats a mistake nature mad because this is a fallen world nature makes mistakes all the time ie hermaphrotitic people or albinos. Im brain definately works like a female. Ive been told that in person I communicate like a female by a few friends before they know of my condition. What does the phrase be your self mean to you?

Of course we go to the doctor for our medical problems. (30 kidney stones–you poor thing! ) What I’m talking about is when medical science can do nothing/no more for us. There may come a time when it can help transsexuals, but until then it is better to know your condition, accept that it’s in your life, and deal with it as best as you can. That’s all any of us can do when faced with something that is currently unfixable/unsolvable. And that is where the grace of God comes in. That grace is our hope, most especially when there is nothing medicine can do for us. That is my point.

 

[pathia]

Of course we go to the doctor for our medical problems. (30 kidney stones–you poor thing! ) What I’m talking about is when medical science can do nothing/no more for us. There may come a time when it can help transsexuals, but until then it is better to know your condition, accept that it’s in your life, and deal with it as best as you can. That’s all any of us can do when faced with something that is currently unfixable/unsolvable. And that is where the grace of God comes in. That grace is our hope, most especially when there is nothing medicine can do for us. That is my point.

I tried to commit suicide multiple times, twice in a manner not dissimilar than Barbara here, so this hits very close to home.

No amount of grace, no amount of prayer, no amount of hope and meditation ever made it any better. My suicide attempts were regular and methodical. The only way I was not-suicidal was to be drugged out of my mind so badly that I was not a functional member of society, I called it my ‘zombie-times’.

So, I said screw that, and dealt with it as the medical community suggests. I now no longer need any antidepressants, I finished two degrees and as soon as I recover fully from my meningitis, I will attempt to be a productive member of society again. How can something that has such a dramatic positive improvement on my life, with no damage to anyone else’s life, be a damnable solution?

 

[Della]

I tried to commit suicide multiple times, twice in a manner not dissimilar than Barbara here, so this hits very close to home.

No amount of grace, no amount of prayer, no amount of hope and meditation ever made it any better. My suicide attempts were regular and methodical. The only way I was not-suicidal was to be drugged out of my mind so badly that I was not a functional member of society, I called it my ‘zombie-times’.

So, I said screw that, and dealt with it as the medical community suggests. I now no longer need any antidepressants, I finished two degrees and as soon as I recover fully from my meningitis, I will attempt to be a productive member of society again. How can something that has such a dramatic positive improvement on my life, with no damage to anyone else’s life, be a damnable solution?

I am very happy to hear you got the help you needed. And that’s exactly what we all should do–when we can. I never used “damnable” to describe any medical solution to your or anyone else’s affliction(s).

Unless God performs a miracle, medical problems need medical solutions. When did I or anyone else here say any differently?

My point, which keeps getting obscured or lost is simply that when medicine fails us, we must rely on grace for that very reason.

I will say it again, so it will be clear, I fully support medical solutions to medical problems. My only caveat is that medical procedures actually help not deny medical/emotional/mental/whatever problems any of us might have by applying a quick fix that will, in the long run, do more harm than good.

 

[pathia]

I will say it again, so it will be clear, I fully support medical solutions to medical problems. My only caveat is that medical procedures actually help not deny medical/emotional/mental/whatever problems any of us might have by applying a quick fix that will, in the long run, do more harm than good.

It’s hardly a quick fix, you require 6months to a year of therapy before they let you try hormones. Then you try those for 6months to make sure they don’t make you crazy. Then you are allowed to cross-live, which you do for 2-5years before they finally allow surgery. Unless someone is breaking the rules, there’s no way to really do it quicker than three years.

That’s not ‘quick’ my any means, at least to me, and you are watched every step by at least one therapist and monitored by at least one hormone specialist. At any point the therapist or hormone specialist can pull the plug if you show signs of instability, or not actually being afflicted. IE: having a midlife crisis or something else instead.

 

[Lynn-D]

I am very happy to hear you got the help you needed. And that’s exactly what we all should do–when we can. I never used “damnable” to describe any medical solution to your or anyone else’s affliction(s).

Unless God performs a miracle, medical problems need medical solutions. When did I or anyone else here say any differently?

My point, which keeps getting obscured or lost is simply that when medicine fails us, we must rely on grace for that very reason.

I will say it again, so it will be clear, I fully support medical solutions to medical problems. My only caveat is that medical procedures actually help not deny medical/emotional/mental/whatever problems any of us might have by applying a quick fix that will, in the long run, do more harm than good.

I see nothing wrong with what Della said, “My point, which keeps getting obscured or lost is simply that when medicine fails us, we must rely on grace for that very reason.”

I too have many medical problems some of which are congenital and have threatened my life on more than a few occasions. I pray often for ease and have even received the anointing of oils in preparation for what I knew to be a serious operation from which I might not survive. But, being a catholic I believe in the grace of God who someday will explain to me hopefully why I needed to bear the pain and the suffering I have had to endure. And I also know that God gave man a brain to use as best as was possible and that means finding cures for ills and harms. We will be judged by our deeds and works so in that vein I firmly believe that our treatment of others will be the primary interest that God will consider when we face Him on judgement day.

What I assume Della means though when she talks about a ‘quick fix’ is what might be seen as something other than a rather reliable treatment for those who actually are intersex or transsexual. Bringing the body into accord with the brain is anything but a ‘quick fix’ as I know it. In those conditions the last thing that usually happens is a ‘quick fix’. Many who suffer from those inborn conditions go through very long periods of distress and pain before any ‘fix’ becomes available to them.

I might add that Pope Paul VI even told a Catholic California surgeon who joined me for lunch at a symposium that it was permissible for him to do surgeries if the surgery meant a healing of the body to be whole. Back then the church even allowed the amending of baptismal certificates for the post-op intersex and transsexuals.

With the advancement of research and science it will not be too long before the now indicative and quite startling findings of children being born with a hypothalamus brain sex in contradiction to genital sex will be accepted as being no different than correcting an infants malformed heart or even transplanting organs from a dead child and implanting into the body of another who would have died otherwise.

I do see also many who are rather gender confused latching onto a medical condition as if they too suffered the same. But that has nothing really to do with what a true transsexual or an intersex might be but instead must be treated with psychiatric support and the understanding of professionals, family and friends. To do otherwise is rather unchristian.

Lynn-D

 

[Annn]

II do see also many who are rather gender confused latching onto a medical condition as if they too suffered the same. COLOR]

Lynn-D
Lynn-D, can you please clarify what you mean with this statement?