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Its 2 weeks since I found out. Now my friend is in the prayer intentions at 9 am Mass today. All this debate has shown me a lot of things with both pleasant and nasty surprises. Know matter what Im staying Cathlolic while I’m not denying who I am inside for anyone. Im not going away!
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Christy_Beth
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Good for you! Reminds me of a little tidbit from my senior year in high school. The seniors got out before the end of the year, so our finals were earlier. In social studies the teacher had a page that he encouraged we take home. Part of it quoted Shakeshear (sp?). “To thine own self be true, then thou can’t be false to any man.”
What are we really afraid of here? This transgender bit, to me, seems to be part and parcel to our fallen world. God didn’t make a mistake here, but the stuff still exists. If a person was born without a limb or two, we wouldn’t insist they change who they are in order to get help. The help should come to who ever needs it.
What are we really afraid of here? This transgender bit, to me, seems to be part and parcel to our fallen world. God didn’t make a mistake here, but the stuff still exists. If a person was born without a limb or two, we wouldn’t insist they change who they are in order to get help. The help should come to who ever needs it.
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Lynn-D
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Christy, I am a bit disturbed by your ‘transgender bit’ remark. If you are talking about behavior then I agree with you. But, if you are adding transsexualism to your ‘fallen world’ scenario then I feel you are off track and misinformed; the two are not at all the same. One is behavior and the other inborn as that pertains to all things created with biological anomalies. Only God knows the reasons.
I ask you to look at the research that actually deals with the causes of transsexualism and not the behavior models as advanced under the banner of gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgender (GLBT) then perhaps you might see the actual difference. A difference by the way that was clearly defined by no less a conservative as Dennis Prager.
TRANSGENDER,(TG): A term promoted by Charles ‘Virginia’ Prince, a married transvestite/cd and publisher of the magazine ‘Transvestia’. Although a transvestite who mimicked and lived full time dressed as a woman while married to his wife he did seem to express a jealous regard against transsexuals and attacked their need to change sex as being delusional since obviously they did not fit his ‘lifestyle’. He advocated the term transgender that has become an umbrella label for many gender or sexual variants and/or fetishists such as transvestites, she-males, gay cross-dressers, drag-queens, etc. and many transsexuals deeply resent the term being linked to them.
TRANSSEXUAL, (TS): A person with a very strong and persistent need to anatomically undergo sex reassignment surgery so as to meld their body with their accepted inborn mental gender and eliminate the incongruity between brain and genitalia. Some claiming to be transsexuals are obviously not as reflected in the fluid statistics that estimate that only ten persons in one hundred claiming to have the questionable gender identity disorder actually might be transsexuals and of those approximately one in ten actually have sex reassignment. Some statistics state the numbers of true transsexuals at about 1/30,000.
If you need more research clarification then might I suggest, as I did before to others, that you avail yourself of the studies already in place that are distinguishing the differences between those who are a result of a natural biological birth anomaly as opposed to those who advance their nurtured behavior of choice under the banner of transgenderism. To make it seem that those born differently are the same as those who choose to live differently is a misapplication that I can only suppose has confused you as well as many others. This might help in your awareness: harrybenjaminsyndrome.org./
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Lynn-D
I guess what I meant was, the part of the brain that’s behind this sort of thing. Years ago I saw a program about this whatever you want to call it. Apparently brain scans were taken and compared. There is a small area of the brain that is different in men and women. Those who were transgender/transsexual had this different brain activity. Again, I’m not sure how to refer to it. Anyway, in some men/women this spot had the difference found in the opposite gender.
So, as is many things in this world, it doesn’t go along what is considered as “normal.” There are many things that we are born with that is an effect of this original sin/whatever. I’m not sure I’m
explaining this very well. I don’t mean it to be a put down in any way. Sometimes our “hardwiring” is off. Like with someone with epilepsy, there is something different than the “norm.”
I’m sorry if I offended you. That wasn’t my intent.I was thinking more along the lines of those who believe this is more a matter of personal taste, than something the person has no real control over. They may be able to change their behavior to better blend into society, but that doesn’t cure the problem. It’s something ingrained.
I hope I’m making sense here. I really don’t know how else to explain this. Again, I’m sorry if I offended you or anyone else with this problem/whatever.
I guess what I meant was, the part of the brain that’s behind this sort of thing. Years ago I saw a program about this whatever you want to call it. Apparently brain scans were taken and compared. There is a small area of the brain that is different in men and women. Those who were transgender/transsexual had this different brain activity. Again, I’m not sure how to refer to it. Anyway, in some men/women this spot had the difference found in the opposite gender.
So, as is many things in this world, it doesn’t go along what is considered as “normal.” There are many things that we are born with that is an effect of this original sin/whatever. I’m not sure I’m
explaining this very well. I don’t mean it to be a put down in any way. Sometimes our “hardwiring” is off. Like with someone with epilepsy, there is something different than the “norm.”
I’m sorry if I offended you. That wasn’t my intent.I was thinking more along the lines of those who believe this is more a matter of personal taste, than something the person has no real control over. They may be able to change their behavior to better blend into society, but that doesn’t cure the problem. It’s something ingrained.
I hope I’m making sense here. I really don’t know how else to explain this. Again, I’m sorry if I offended you or anyone else with this problem/whatever.
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Not that anyone said it, but for the record my friend Barbara Ann easily was far from fetshist. She was content to look like a soccer mom. Myself many who know me can’t believe Im transsexual, but… a long time friend noticed rather easily long before she was told. That I communicate and relate to others much more like a feamale than the ways a male doe’s. HMMMM
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Annn
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Lynn-D, I’m not sure what your experience with this population is either professionally or personally, but your definitions are not in line with what I’ve learned in psychology classes and from both people who identify as trans and people who work with this population.
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Christy,Lynn-D
I guess what I meant was, the part of the brain that’s behind this sort of thing. Years ago I saw a program about this whatever you want to call it. Apparently brain scans were taken and compared. There is a small area of the brain that is different in men and women. Those who were transgender/transsexual had this different brain activity. Again, I’m not sure how to refer to it. Anyway, in some men/women this spot had the difference found in the opposite gender.
So, as is many things in this world, it doesn’t go along what is considered as “normal.” There are many things that we are born with that is an effect of this original sin/whatever. I’m not sure I’m
explaining this very well. I don’t mean it to be a put down in any way. Sometimes our “hardwiring” is off. Like with someone with epilepsy, there is something different than the “norm.”
I’m sorry if I offended you. That wasn’t my intent.I was thinking more along the lines of those who believe this is more a matter of personal taste, than something the person has no real control over. They may be able to change their behavior to better blend into society, but that doesn’t cure the problem. It’s something ingrained.
I hope I’m making sense here. I really don’t know how else to explain this. Again, I’m sorry if I offended you or anyone else with this problem/whatever.
You did not offend me. I respond to simply clarify which I had hoped to do.
Please understand that often transgender and transsexual are intermixed whereas the two are rather different in application and identity. And it is usually the transgender who link transsexuals with themselves in order to gain some degree of medical legitimacy they would not have on their own. They can get away with it because they mimic the opposite sex and give the impression they are doing no different than what a transsexual is required to do in preparation for surgery…the real life test.
The tests you alluded to were brain scans and those done on the hypothalamus section of the brain, the BSTc studies.
Let us get to the gist of those tests. They were done on variations of people (‘normal’, homosexuals, transgender, transsexual, intersex) some were known and diagnosed as transsexual and/or intersex with some who had surgery and others diagnosed as TS although they may never have been on cross sex hormones. It was the brain itself the scientists were interested in and not the possible influence of introduced hormones.
Yes, the male brain is different from the female and that has been substantiated. In the BSTc research as well as the MRI scans it was found that MtF true transsexual brains were on par with natal females and the opposite held true for FtM’s as related to natal males. This report did not find the same comparison to be found in transgender or homosexuals obviously since those categories are mainly cross gender personalities or sexual orientation and not those in need of sexual correction…the transsexual/intersex.
The findings supported the claim that true transsexuals are in fact neurologically intersex. That application is warranted since the brain and the body are in contradiction. Fact is many of those thought to be transsexual are later found to have physical intersex indicators as well but have gone though life not being aware of that fact. Some found out either during surgery or later on when another medical issue arose and testing was done that discovered the true nature of the patient.
Right now there is an ongoing discussion in reaction to a legal case that found in support of a post-op transsexual FtM and the transgender are absolutely in a quandary since they might no longer be able to identify as somewhat the same as transsexual.
The original case which not only found in favor of the plaintiff but held up unanimously on appeal the fact that transsexuality is an inborn condition substantiated by a number of scientists and clinicians who had done exhaustive research and gave testimony in support of the plaintiff and others to follow.
The transgender are fighting against this medical finding which did not address them because they know only too well it will doom the argument of choice as opposed to need and exclude their malady as being at all linked to transsexuality.
I became aware of this only recently after a friend who is a partner in a law firm in that country sent me her opinion on the originally submitted legal brief. She asked for my opinion which of course I did not hesitate to give. I believe she said she would use my paper in conjunction with others that she will submit to the government agency that is now being asked to reconsider its original application of laws pertaining to this issue.
Not being a trans anything I can only advise and hope that my opinion might be presented in support of facts unlike many others who will be whining and crying over their perception of themselves without anything but wants and desires in support of their inclusionary argument rather than a need for a birth correction of sex. The overwhelming number of transgender in comparison to actual transsexual is mind boggling so for some it has become vital to define each whether physiological or psychological into their own separate and distinct categories no longer to be intertwined as if somehow the same.
Hope that helps.
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Not sure what population you might be addressing nor what level of psychological studies you might have reached.
I have put up links in support of my contentions. I am also a poli-sci major with a minor in psychology/sociology and also worked in re-hab facilities as a social worker and came across many gender variations.
For you I submit the following links in support of my statements and have been presented by well established scientists with whom I have had contact and not classmates nor those who might identify with trans anything:
hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/intersex/sexual_I_G_web.html
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And I bet your psychology course did not delve into the lessens to be gained from this course:
sexandgendercourse.od.nih.gov/lesson1/index.aspx
I know the term transgender has been popularized but it is wrong to categorize any and all mix and matches under the same umbrella term. It then becomes an illusionary ideal rather than a substantiated concept or even established theory. Transgenderism is not only a misapplication of facts but a contradiction to those research studies to which I provided links.
I do not usually explain issues from an emotional or on the basis of opinion but try to at least substantiate my statements with supportive studies. Can you do that with the social construct of transgenderism or might your professor be able to do just that for you?
Consider that the most recent estimates of actual transsexuals is in the 1/30,000 range so I must assume those you might address as the ‘population’ are actually gender variants who might well be classed with a ‘gender identity disorder’ and therefore easily identify with trans-gender rather than the trans-sex who actually might be searching for a resolution in regard to changing their birth sex.
May I ask: Do you think a man who likes to dress up in female clothing once in a while to satisfy his desires or urges is the same as a person who always knew they were ‘different’ and always felt the need to correct their sex? And might you believe both persons should be identified under the same category of transgender?
Your answers will perhaps reflect upon your understanding of the issues as presented either in response to my question or for yourself. Might you be willing to share with us?
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If the term “transgender” isn’t quite right, what term would you use? I’ve not really had much experience to this. But I do try to have an open mind about everyone’s differences. Basically, I don’t really believe in “normal” right now. Why? Because there are so much variation to that.
For too many years I tried to be “normal.” But I’m not. I would just as soon be accepting than rejecting. But sometimes I find that hard to do. Take homosexuals for one. I don’t mind it as long as it’s kept to the privace of one’s home. But I’m a little bit put off by the term ever since I had one make a pass at me. A army roommate at that.
So, I can’t say that I totally sympathize with you. But I am trying to stay open to dialogue. It’s the only way we can learn in this life.
For too many years I tried to be “normal.” But I’m not. I would just as soon be accepting than rejecting. But sometimes I find that hard to do. Take homosexuals for one. I don’t mind it as long as it’s kept to the privace of one’s home. But I’m a little bit put off by the term ever since I had one make a pass at me. A army roommate at that.
So, I can’t say that I totally sympathize with you. But I am trying to stay open to dialogue. It’s the only way we can learn in this life.
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Annn
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Christy Beth,
I really admire how you’re trying to build your knowledge about the trans population; recently I’ve gotten to know some people in this community and am learning myself. As far as I can tell, people who more specifically identify as “transexual” also adopt the term “transgender.” It’s not an offensive term, and I’m pretty darn confused by Lynn-D’s posts.
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Dale_M
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Annn and Christy Beth, wikipedia may not be a respectable source but sometimes they answer common questions which other sources either don’t answer or bury the answer.
I think part of the problem is that “transgender” is often seen as blurring the boundary between the two sexes, whereas old school transsexuals are staunch defenders of the gender binary (man or woman).
As the wikipedia mentioned another difficulty is political. Many transsexuals object to being included in the “lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender” (LGBT) political alliance. They see themselves as straight and that transsexualism and homosexuality have nothing in common.
A third difficulty is surgery. I may be wrong on this but I think many who object to the word “transgender” believe that if someone is a true transsexual they will find the money to pay for surgery. This gets back to the issue of the gender binary and discomfort with being something “in-between”. If you don’t get surgical reassignment (or are rapidly seeking it) you are not a transsexual.
Lynn, is any of this close to what you mean? Are there parts you disagree with?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual
I think part of the problem is that “transgender” is often seen as blurring the boundary between the two sexes, whereas old school transsexuals are staunch defenders of the gender binary (man or woman).
As the wikipedia mentioned another difficulty is political. Many transsexuals object to being included in the “lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender” (LGBT) political alliance. They see themselves as straight and that transsexualism and homosexuality have nothing in common.
A third difficulty is surgery. I may be wrong on this but I think many who object to the word “transgender” believe that if someone is a true transsexual they will find the money to pay for surgery. This gets back to the issue of the gender binary and discomfort with being something “in-between”. If you don’t get surgical reassignment (or are rapidly seeking it) you are not a transsexual.
Lynn, is any of this close to what you mean? Are there parts you disagree with?
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Lynn-D
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Not sure if you addressed that last post to me and if so I might be understood as being confused. I am not in need of sympathy since I am neither a transgender nor confused. I am simply a women who also happens to be a widow after being married to a wonderful man with whom I shared a relationship with for over thirty years.
I am also a Catholic and fully understand the Catholic Churches stance on homosexuality and cross-dressing. But I do see your point yet I adhere to the belief that the active involvement in the homosexual act is a sin but SSA in and of itself is not. And I also believe that anyone who cross-dresses with sexual intentions is also committing a sin.
Yet, nowhere in the bible does it address transsexuals or even intersex and I happen to know from talks with a Catholic doctor/professor that when he communicated with Pope Paul VI he was informed at that time there was no prohibition against surgery being performed upon those whose body parts needed to be joined to the whole.
I know that might be confusing for some but as I see it as did the doctor, if someone is born intersex with parts not in alignment or born transsex with a brain and body out of alignment then it would be permissible to operate on them to bring the body into full accord.
What has happened over time is the transgender movement and its alliance with the GLB then became the GLBT which seems to clearly state to the public that the alignment simply joins sexual orientation with transgender behaviors both of which are assumed to be homosexual.
In earlier times there were simply those who were diagnosed as transsexuals and they were evaluated and if considered suitable candidates were placed on hormones for a period of two years and then if approved by the doctors were recommended for a final psychiatric clearance before being forwarded on to a surgeon for possible surgery. Some never cleared the hurdles since the obstacles were intended to thwart those not transsexual from having surgery.
Then there were those that were homosexual drag queens or gay cross-dressers soliciting sex or simply even heterosexual transvestites. Over time it seemed the term transgender came into wide use and expanded in the late seventies as a label to cover all those that were not transsexual. That was acceptable to even the transsexuals since it had nothing to do with their condition.
Around the late eighties into the nineties the confusion took over. It slowly became possible for some who never would have been approved for surgery in this country to somehow link up with foreign surgeons who did not make the same very careful diagnosis or clearances that had been required in the US. Then all h*ll broke loose with heterosexual males having surgery and now identifying as lesbians. They then started to align with the transgender which of course is exactly what they were pre-surgery and discarded the term transsexual as not being applicable to them. I agree, it really did not in the true sense since most appeared to be transvestites who went to the extreme in their mimicry.
Is it any wonder then why the issue and the debate over terms is ongoing? Heterosexuals who desire sex changes identify usually as transgender. Those whose brain is rather opposite their physical genitalia but are attracted to the physically opposite sex are actually the true transsexuals but now somehow are linked to homosexuality. Confused yet? Some of them married opposite sex partners after surgery and to call them homosexual is a travesty. This is the result of being added to the transgender lobby without their approval or consideration. They see themselves being their true sex and identify as such and do not, as some will forever do, identify themselves as trans something or other. Their journey is over so no longer do they need to trans or cross-over.
That leads us to the brain being female and the body male if we may use them and not the FtM’s as an example. Is that person a homosexual or actually a heterosexual female. If a female brain then would naturally be attracted to males and the opposite true for those with male brains to be attracted to females. Yes?
So how then do we draw the line as to whom might be on one side and who on the other. I see the so-called lesbian MtF as being more supportive of the transgender identity and see the MtF heterosexual post-ops as the true transsexuals. That is not always fact but it is the generally considered standard.
The Catholic Church was faced with this conundrum when it changed its policy and no longer allowed those who had undergone surgery to amend their baptismal certificates. And no wonder since now all transsexuals no matter if heterosexual or homosexual are classed as transgender a rather confusing term to begin with since it has no clear identity other than numerous types and classes to which transsexual never should have been joined to in the first place.
OK, end of my hope for enlightenment in the face of confusion. I found this discussion quite interesting and rather somewhat of an education in that some who claim to be informed are not. And some like Dale I found to be rather intelligent and very much in tune with the actual concepts surrounding this most convoluted topic. Hopefully I may have cleared up some of the confusion but know that for some confusion will always be part of their lives no matter what the subject.
Becky, this week-end I will be attending the wedding of my Godchild. My memories when she marries will be taken back to the day I held her in my arms the day she was baptised. She like you was in the army and in fact did two tours in Iraq.
I hope you continue to search for truth and God bless you in your attempt to understand a difficult situation to say the least.
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I debated this with myself defore deciding to post this, but I decided if this would bring better understanding to just one person it’s worth it. This is a blog of Barb’s best ffriend Chloe prince. Along with saying what she thinks , natually. It also illistrates the type of person Barb was along with the suffering the last several months of her life. Many of the "oldfashioned " minded crown seems to when they express their disagreement with transsexuality that we should grit our teeth a bear it. Im hear to say then can’t be done indefintely. I also am showing the blog to show the common decency that Barb and her friends, people like then should not be shut out of society.The lack of decency here is by those not transsexual. While general society is say bear it, see how the sympathy is coming from all over concerning my friend. The first comment to that blog is from me by the way.
My advice to those who do not agree that transsexuaism exists or ir think it is somehow immoral. You are going to have to explain your self better! When Im in debates I here the old perverbial God doesnt make mistakes, and when I agree with that my oponet doesnt know what to say. When your only anwer with self gratuitist statements with nothing to back it up , ie ( scientific studies) You are not going to get much listenership. When your solution to gender issues is toughen up , grit your teeth and bear it, or just pray. You loose any of the credibility you started out with. I tried the grit my teeth and bear it approach, that gave me a depression condition called dystthymia. If I had transitioned much younger I could of lkely been doing so much better now than working the 2 menial jobs I now work. My advice for your side is your answer to us needs to be comprehensive and detailed before you are going to be listened to. Growing up and in my young adult years I listened to your side and am now paying for it dearly. This issue is not going to go away. People are going to have to come to terms with that.
I debated this with myself defore deciding to post this, but I decided if this would bring better understanding to just one person it’s worth it. This is a blog of Barb’s best ffriend Chloe prince. Along with saying what she thinks , natually. It also illistrates the type of person Barb was along with the suffering the last several months of her life. Many of the "oldfashioned " minded crown seems to when they express their disagreement with transsexuality that we should grit our teeth a bear it. Im hear to say then can’t be done indefintely. I also am showing the blog to show the common decency that Barb and her friends, people like then should not be shut out of society.The lack of decency here is by those not transsexual. While general society is say bear it, see how the sympathy is coming from all over concerning my friend. The first comment to that blog is from me by the way.
My advice to those who do not agree that transsexuaism exists or ir think it is somehow immoral. You are going to have to explain your self better! When Im in debates I here the old perverbial God doesnt make mistakes, and when I agree with that my oponet doesnt know what to say. When your only anwer with self gratuitist statements with nothing to back it up , ie ( scientific studies) You are not going to get much listenership. When your solution to gender issues is toughen up , grit your teeth and bear it, or just pray. You loose any of the credibility you started out with. I tried the grit my teeth and bear it approach, that gave me a depression condition called dystthymia. If I had transitioned much younger I could of lkely been doing so much better now than working the 2 menial jobs I now work. My advice for your side is your answer to us needs to be comprehensive and detailed before you are going to be listened to. Growing up and in my young adult years I listened to your side and am now paying for it dearly. This issue is not going to go away. People are going to have to come to terms with that.
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Christy_Beth
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I know this isn’t going away. As long as we live in this life, we will see many problems in various forms. I am mentally ill. To the point where I can’t work. I realize that isn’t exactly what you are facing, but it’s as close as I can come. I, too, have dysthymia. Also Major depression, anxiety disorder, OCD, and Borderline Personality disorder with avoidant, dependant and paranoid tendencies.
I have had to come to accept that, for me, there is no healing in this life. I have prayed long and hard before I could accept that part of myself. For a long time I said I had “mental health problems.” But that isn’t accurate. It took a long time for me to get to where I am today, and I know that I will be taking it on a day by day basis.
I have had to come to accept that, for me, there is no healing in this life. I have prayed long and hard before I could accept that part of myself. For a long time I said I had “mental health problems.” But that isn’t accurate. It took a long time for me to get to where I am today, and I know that I will be taking it on a day by day basis.
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Lynn-D
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Hi Dale,
Sorry for the late response. I have been so busy of late and now preparing for a trip to a wedding of my long time friends daughter.
I have also been asked to address a forum on a subject not related to this one and that means duel tasking on the computer.
I think you are about on target with your observations. Most true transsexuals are aghast that they are somehow confused with the transgender elements of transvestites, drag queens, gay cross-dressers, she-males, all of whom make up the major part of the transgender community. In fact the majority of actual transgender are simply heterosexual males who like to crossdress…transvestites. The only thing they really ‘trans’ is the clothing on their backs when the mood hits them.
How can a group that welcomes people who accept for themselves the diagnosis of ‘gender identity disorder’ and cry ‘woe is me’ ever understand that someone with a need from earliest memory to be ‘whole’ might not be like them at all? They can’t! One seems to demand choice that grew from a nurturing behavior while the other never had a choice but an inborn need to address a birth problem of nature that existed even before birth. That is scientific fact and not something on a dream wish-list although the transgender will fight tooth and nail to deny the research findings simply because it might expose them for what they really are.
I took a look at the link provided by the OP and was not at all surprised. It promoted transgenderism, pure and simple. Not once did I see any of the comments deal with transsexualism but all seemed quite comfy with being aligned with transgenderism without once explaining what element of the Tg spectrum they might identify. But then they all seemed to have been or still are functional males involved with either wives or girlfriends.
I am always in sympathy with the families and friends of those who commit suicide. It is a dreadful act and often a selfish one. But to blame it on the unacceptance of their lifestyle choices denies their own actions that caused pain to innocent others. We only heard one side of the story and those who seemed to ally themselves not with the travails of the wife and children but with the person who created a family and then elected to destroy it because of his now out in the open agenda.
But let us look at the message this post seems to be advancing. Men who are able to function, marry and even father children now suggest they might wish to change sex. Seems to me they grew into their latest gender mood of change, a natured behavior gone awry and full speed ahead no matter to whom they might hurt. Most on that site seemed to be physical males who wanted to remain in their marriages to women and somehow keep their family connections intact. That is transgender thinking and not usually the attitude of those who grew up knowing their need to correct their body to match their brain was never an option.
But now we have a whole bunch of males who had what most would consider rather normal lives but for the fact they might have liked to dress up from time to time in opposite sex clothing but now somehow examining the possibility of changing sex and demanding their whole family accept the new ‘woman’ into their lives and accept her in place of their father as perhaps a ‘second mother’. These are the transgender who moved into a lifestyle that was for one reason or another nurtured and not an inborn birth anomaly to begin with.
And this group also is where the most regret might be found afterward since they should never have had the surgery in the first place. This too is the reason many who by their actions end up alone and discarded by wives, children, family and friends and left to fend for themselves. And who do they blame?.. not themselves but others to whom they betrayed by building a relationship and creating a family all the while hiding their growing secret urges and behaviors. They are those who 'trans’ed their gender moods from an urge and/or a desire to simply extend their perceived emotions to the extreme of entertaining surgery…the transgender.
A true transsexual is born with a brain of one sex and the body of the other. Now please explain to me how so many who classify themselves as transgender also claim to be lesbian males, an oxymoron? That confuses me. They claim sex and orientation are not the same. Sorry but for them it seems to be just that. They are heterosexual men who have surgery to be female and then they identify as lesbian. The name might have changed but the same attraction existed before and after surgery. Many have made the observation that the only real thing they did was to remove their male genitalia and everything else was as before.
No wonder so many are confused about the difference between transgender and transsexual when many of the transgender propose themselves as transsexual. I am confused and more so when many of them wish for their wives to become lesbians after surgery when in fact she married someone she had known as a heterosexual male who even fathered her children.
Sorry but for me that is so confusing. But then transgenderism is so very confusing and made more so whenever a news story comes across the screen showing a gay pride parade with the cross-dressing transgender folk with bearded faces and hairy chests yelling loud and clear they are neither of the two accepted binaries but instead expressions of a third mix and match sex. And to go further they demand to use the ladies bathroom when they still possess male genitalia and look like a male. Duh!!!
I will never accept the transgender argument of being a little like the transsexual or the intersex and it is about time they understood they are what they are and to link to others medical malady is harmful especially to the true transsexual.
So I have to ask loud and clear: What is transgenderism? And please do not give me the cover story of it being a gender variance? It was and still is a term promoted by a transvestite and that is always how it should be examined without the confusion attaching it to transsexualism or intersex causes.
Lynn-D, really needed to speak out against this transgender nonsense.
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Annn
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Lynn-D, since you did not respond earlier, what is your experience with this population? You just seem very passionate about it and I’m wondering whether you have professional experience with trans people.
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Dale_M
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Thank you for sharing that blog post. Yes, Barb was under an amazing amount of stress. It is very sad that she wasn’t able to reach out to a better way of coping.
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That quote is worth remembering by everyone. I think everyone has or has had at least passing thoughts of suicide. But suicide is closing oneself off from love and there are always people who care about you - probably more than any of us realize.
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Lynn-D
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I did answer but in a private mail to which I have yet to get a response, not that I really need one.
I have no intention of continuing on this subject nor responding to transgender blogs which link onto behaviors to which I have no attachment nor clear understanding of their driven urges or motives. I see transgenderism as simply another term of cover for transvestite fetishism and a psychological disorder unlike the medical intersex or transsex.
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aspawloski4th
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Ok we all know you stance on transgenderism. Dont lump that in with my firend please! I see annother disorder here, obsessive compulsive.
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