My husband hates my faith - not sure what to do now

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This doesn’t sound good. As some of the other posters said, you both need to go the counseling. If he is abusive to you, you may end up leaving. I’m not trying to be pessimistic here but you sound like this is abusive to you and you may need to separate to end the cycle of abuse. I’m sorry but considering this might not last, you don’t have to put up with abuse and if needed an annulment might be the way out. You are in my prayers.
 
This doesn’t sound good. As some of the other posters said, you both need to go the counseling. If he is abusive to you, you may end up leaving. I’m not trying to be pessimistic here but you sound like this is abusive to you and you may need to separate to end the cycle of abuse. I’m sorry but considering this might not last, you don’t have to put up with abuse and if needed an annulment might be the way out. You are in my prayers.
Maybe I am naive, but I still think of what has happened as a crisis, hopefully one that can be resolved. I know it takes time. At the same time I am well aware that his hatred of my faith is not something I can deal with easily. Had I known the truth some years ago, what he really thought, I would not have married him. Definitely not. But I can’t turn back time and start over, I have to deal with the situation I’m in. He has not said a word about my faith since the argument last week and has been very nice to me in many ways. I know he is trying and that he wants to make things better between us. I hope I will be able to respond in the same way at some point.
 
You might want to listen to Archbishop Fulton Sheen, telling the story of Elisabeth Leseur (in the second part, where he speaks of when your partner becomes “impossible”):

op-stjoseph.org/blog/30th_anniversary_of_death_of_fulton_sheen

Elisabeth was born in Paris to a wealthy bourgeois French family of Corsican descent. She met Félix Leseur, also from an affluent, Catholic family in 1887. Shortly before they married on July 31, 1889, Elisabeth discovered that Félix was no longer a practicing Catholic. Though he continued to practice medicine, Dr. Félix Leseur soon became well known as the editor of an anti-clerical, atheistic newspaper in Paris. Despite his pledge to respect Elisabeth’s religious beliefs, as his hatred of the Catholic faith grew he soon began to question, undermine, and ridicule Elisabeth’s faith. In his memoirs, Félix describes how his efforts to “enlighten” Elisabeth nearly succeeded. He had persuaded Elisabeth to read Ernest Renan’s Life of Jesus with the expectation that it would finally shatter her last remaining loyalties to Catholicism. Instead, he records that she was “struck by the poverty of substance” on which the arguments were based and was inspired to devote herself to her own religious education. Soon, their home was filled with two libraries. One, a library devoted to the justifications of atheism and the second to the lives of the saints and the intellectual arguments in favor of Christ and Catholic Church. Félix was frustrated to discover that his challenges to her faith had actually led her to become not only more grounded in her beliefs, but more fervent and determined to become holy.

In 1905, she was taken ill and tossed on a bed of constant pain until August 1914. When she was dying, she said to her husband, “Felix, when I am dead, you will become a Catholic and a Dominican priest.” To this he responded: “Elizabeth, you know my sentiments. I’ve sworn hatred of God, I shall live in the hatred and I shall die in it.”

She repeated her words and passed away. She died in her husband’s arms at the early age of 47. Rummaging through her papers, Felix found her will. She wrote: “In 1905, I asked almighty God to send me sufficient sufferings to purchase your soul. On the day that I die, the price will have been paid. Greater love than this no woman has than she who lay down her life for her husband.” Dr. Leseur, the atheist, dismissed her will as the fancies of a pious woman. He decided to write a book against Lourdes. When he went down to Lourdes however and he looked up into the face of the statue of Mary, he received the great gift of faith. He saw it all. At once. In the year 1924, during Lent, Fulton J. Sheen, made a retreat in the Dominican monastery in Belgium under the spiritual guidance of Father Felix Leseur of the Order of Preachers, Catholic Dominican priest, who told him this story.
 
Maybe I am naive, but I still think of what has happened as a crisis, hopefully one that can be resolved. I know it takes time. At the same time I am well aware that his hatred of my faith is not something I can deal with easily. Had I known the truth some years ago, what he really thought, I would not have married him. Definitely not. But I can’t turn back time and start over, I have to deal with the situation I’m in. He has not said a word about my faith since the argument last week and has been very nice to me in many ways. I know he is trying and that he wants to make things better between us. I hope I will be able to respond in the same way at some point.
If he really hates faith in God and the Catholic Church, this will have to come to a head at sometime. Either he will have to go back to accepting you going and practicing your faith or if he is stuck on the anti-God you both may end up parting ways. If he hates “your faith” what does he want you to do, leave it? He married you knowing you wanted to practice your faith. How fair is that to you? I hope you can both go to a good counselor to sort this out.
 
Thank you for the link Easter Joy. I did not know her story. It is truly amazing. Miracles do happen.
 
If he really hates faith in God and the Catholic Church, this will have to come to a head at sometime. Either he will have to go back to accepting you going and practicing your faith or if he is stuck on the anti-God you both may end up parting ways. If he hates “your faith” what does he want you to do, leave it? He married you knowing you wanted to practice your faith. How fair is that to you? I hope you can both go to a good counselor to sort this out.
He is not asking me to leave it. He is not asking me not to raise the children in faith. He is not asking a thing really, he just seems content to moan about it and express his frustrations. Maybe that is all he needs in order to move on. I have no idea what to expect.
 
He is not asking me to leave it. He is not asking me not to raise the children in faith. He is not asking a thing really, he just seems content to moan about it and express his frustrations. Maybe that is all he needs in order to move on. I have no idea what to expect.
I think maybe it would be worth finding a way for him to voice his complaints without “gunnysacking” and without getting so personal. He is like a pressure cooker with no relief valve.

“Gunnysacking” is when you pretend something doesn’t bother you when it does. You just stick your complaint in a “gunnysack”, and pretend to forget it. Only you don’t forget it. One day, when the gunnysack is full, you drag all the little stuff out, and lo and behold, you have a big overwhelming pile of stuff. It makes you feel like “hey, look, I have something to complain about!!” The problem is, the person you’re complaining to cannot possibly deal with all that stuff. He or she gets defensive, or pulls out a counter-gunnysack, or something else that is never going to solve any of these little problems that could have been taken care of as they came up without making them into something bigger than they are.

As for getting personal and making extreme comments that he later retracts (or tries to pretend he did not say), you know how hurtful that is. In the heat of the moment, it is a “battle tactic” or a rationalization. He needs to learn to complain in a fruitful way that is going to help you forge a good life with him, not just strike out in anger.
 
I think maybe it would be worth finding a way for him to voice his complaints without “gunnysacking” and without getting so personal. He is like a pressure cooker with no relief valve.

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As for getting personal and making extreme comments that he later retracts (or tries to pretend he did not say), you know how hurtful that is. In the heat of the moment, it is a “battle tactic” or a rationalization. He needs to learn to complain in a fruitful way that is going to help you forge a good life with him, not just strike out in anger.
My husband is all about gunnysacking. He gives the impression of the most sweet, easygoing guy ever. He never complains. He never says nasty things about people. He seems so kind and helpful and lovable. No wonder the sack exploded because it was so full. I agree with what you say about him learning to voice his complaints without getting angry and hurtful. He does not know how to do that yet. This will require a lot of patience on my part and probably an occasional lapse into anger on his.
 
Easter Joy,

++ Sheen’s talk is amazing. Amazing. Just what I needed, the whole thing. Thank you.
 
My husband is all about gunnysacking. He gives the impression of the most sweet, easygoing guy ever. He never complains. He never says nasty things about people. He seems so kind and helpful and lovable. No wonder the sack exploded because it was so full. I agree with what you say about him learning to voice his complaints without getting angry and hurtful. He does not know how to do that yet. This will require a lot of patience on my part and probably an occasional lapse into anger on his.
Re-word that…he is kind and helpful and lovable. He simply does not know how a kind, helpful, and lovable man is supposed to act when he realizes that he’s in a situation that he sometimes tolerates just fine but does not have the energy to tolerate today. He doesn’t know that a nice person can have his limits, how a nice person can find a thing intolerable today that he was fine with yesterday, how a nice person can say he wants to re-negotiate his limits, and so on.

When he learns that with you, at least, he can just come out and say, “I know that usually I’m fine with ______, but today I don’t have the energy”, without any excuses or apologies or justifications needed if he doesn’t want to offer any, that could make all the difference in the world. As he learns to recognize and respect his own limits (yes, he’ll have to learn to recognize these things, because he’s so used to acting as if a nice guy doesn’t have limits!), I think things will be much happier with both of you.

You do have to realize that this may mean your non-Catholic husband needs a time-out from some of the Catholic observances he’s been performing. This is what we signed on for when we got a dispensation to marry a non-Catholic. It takes patience, but if he is willing, it can be done.
 
In the same way that you have grown “deeper in your faith” recently…it may be that he, too, has grown closer to his own beliefs as well.

Re sex…I was going to ask about that (in general).
I’m perplexed as to how a devout Catholic and an atheist might agree and be compatible in this arena, since the beliefs about birth control and sexual details, etc, differ in such major ways!

RE your kids. I would actually be quite surprised if, when they are of a certain age, he didn’t discuss his own beliefs with them. If he can’t keep quiet about his beliefs now with you…I can’t imagine him bottling it up in front of the kids forever…especially if they ask him about it. And they will surely ask him at some point why he doesn’t go to church, won’t they?
And he will tell them he does not believe?
What I mean is…if someone believes something to be true, they usually want to spread that information to people they love. So I imagine he will have discussions with the kids about what he does and does not believe. They will be curious.
Yes, I guess that is what happened. Although I don’t have the impression that he ever seeked the truth. He parrots what the mainstream media says about Christianity, nothing more.

Well not all non-believers want to pump women with hormones so they can use them for their pleasure. On other matters we don’t agree. I’m sure very often people face the same issues, regardless of religious differences. Not everyone likes the same thing.

Children. Sure, they will ask and he will tell them the truth. However, there is a difference between saying ‘what I believe is x,y and z’ and ‘what mommy is teaching you is stupid and a lie.’ I can’t claim with any certainty that he will deal with this in a respectful way, but I hope that he will.

I wonder if my situation could be used as a wonderful example why the church thinks it is a bad idea to be yoked with unbelievers. Because let me tell you, it is a terrible idea to do that. Please keep me in your prayers, that I perservere in these difficult times and do the right thing.
 
Re-word that…he is kind and helpful and lovable. He simply does not know how a kind, helpful, and lovable man is supposed to act when he realizes that he’s in a situation that he sometimes tolerates just fine but does not have the energy to tolerate today. He doesn’t know that a nice person can have his limits, how a nice person can find a thing intolerable today that he was fine with yesterday, how a nice person can say he wants to re-negotiate his limits, and so on.
Yes, you are right. He is a nice, sweet guy who went off the rails a bit. He is doing his best for most of the time and I appreciate that. He needs to learn how to communicate, and that honesty does not have to be brutal and hurtful. I guess we are at that stage now.
 
I was not on the computer much yesterday so did not see the continuation of this thread.

I really wish you and your husband could get into counseling, Contra Mundum. I think he has issues that are not going to be solved by our advice, as well-meaning as it is. Of course God can resolve those issues, but that takes time as well.

Just to give you perspective, what I have heard over the last week or so is that the reason the Church obligates us to attend Mass every Sunday is so the collection basket can be passed. Also, it’s ridiculous that Jan. 1 is a Holy Day of Obligation. He says that there is no reason at all for that! But he was going to Mass with us, until one of our sons got sick and stayed home. 🤷

These sentiments have been expressed out loud with both our sons in the house. Of course my husband has always been quite critical of the Church, but since the boys believe him to actually BE a Catholic (he is, but very lapsed), it’s seen as honest criticism and not an atheist attacking the faith. That might be more destructive in some ways, but so far, they have not truly questioned why Dad isn’t so concerned about missing Mass or ever going to confession. I’m sure at some point, they will have questions - they may wonder about it already but just not want to ask. Most atheists would not fake it for as long as my husband has.

I know he holds in a great deal. He does resent my faith, and I’m sure sees me as just another fool who has been duped by the Church. When we met, I was about as lapsed as I could get, so I’m sure my reversion shocked him terribly. I’ve only seen a few glimpses of his true feelings, and it was very painful to see. I think that in a marriage of an atheist and a Catholic, the atheist can come to see the Catholic as representative of God Himself, and they fight us as if they are fighting with God. “You’re NOT going to suck me in!” That kind of attitude. When my husband and I argue, he brings up things against the Church that are 1) false and 2) that I have nothing to do with.

But ha ha on him! 🙂 There’s a green scapular under his side of the mattress and I pray to Mary every single day, when my phone alarm goes off, “Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for my husband and all of us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, amen.” 😉 I have faith that one day, he will let go of his anger at God and return to the devotion he had as a child.

And I am praying for you.
 
Just to give you perspective, what I have heard over the last week or so is that the reason the Church obligates us to attend Mass every Sunday is so the collection basket can be passed. Also, it’s ridiculous that Jan. 1 is a Holy Day of Obligation. He says that there is no reason at all for that!

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But ha ha on him! 🙂 There’s a green scapular under his side of the mattress and I pray to Mary every single day, when my phone alarm goes off, “Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for my husband and all of us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, amen.” 😉 I have faith that one day, he will let go of his anger at God and return to the devotion he had as a child.

And I am praying for you.
Oh, I’m sorry you had to listen to that BS about the church. At least your sons are grown now and his attitude is not likely to affect their faith. Whatever happens in their spiritual life now is their thing, not a result of dad’s silly rants.

I have the green scapular going as well 😃 I don’t know what has caused my husband’s atheism. I hope he will be cured of it in this life, even if I never find out about it.

Yes, marital counceling does sound like something we should do. I’m just so afraid of bringing it up because I can see he has been trying so hard for the last month (except for the horrible religion bashing episode last week) and he would probably feel like I am rejecting his efforts and not believing in us. Or something. DH is a sensible soul 🤷
Maybe I could bring it up in the near future, after things have calmed down even more and the way we communicate is more relaxed.

If you don’t mind me asking, what was your experience of marital counceling? How does that work? What are people expected to do? What is supposed to happen during the process? I know that you can only tell me about your own experience, but maybe it could give me an idea of what to expect, as a general guideline.
 
If you don’t mind me asking, what was your experience of marital counceling? How does that work? What are people expected to do? What is supposed to happen during the process? I know that you can only tell me about your own experience, but maybe it could give me an idea of what to expect, as a general guideline.
No, I don’t mind your asking, although in our case, I don’t think it was particularly effective. Perhaps because DH really thinks that our problems are caused by ME, so he personally has no responsibility to make changes…And he’s got some fair amount of narcissism, or empathy deficit syndrome 🙂 which makes it difficult for him to actually CARE enough about anyone else to want to change.

But anyway…The counselor will usually start with asking why you’re there. He or she will ask each person to put into words what the problems are. Then you work on a plan of action to fix those things. You will probably have “homework assignments” such as being told to go on a date, or spend time talking about or doing some activity. I would suggest getting some sort of timeline and having a true plan with goals and measurable progress, not just open-ended talking about problems, which I do not believe is ultimately helpful. Endlessly rehashing painful experiences does not reduce their power, but reinforces them, IMO.

Communication is usually addressed…The counselor would ask DH a question and watch my response, and if I cried, would draw DH’s attention to that response and ask him what he thought it meant. “What do you think your wife is feeling right now?” That showed me that he did see the lack of empathy and tried to help - but DH usually didn’t understand at all…that made me even sadder. Most men don’t quite understand female emotions but it went deeper than that…He usually didn’t care a whole lot that I even WAS crying. But the counselor will help you learn to actually talk and listen better, and hopefully speak the truth of yourselves.

One problem with us is that our sexual relationship was a big part of the problem, yet we could not discuss it with the counselor. The subject was never approached, and even if it had been, the counselor would not have known how to address it, since he was Christian and not Catholic. Sex in and of itself was never the primary problem, but our other problems affected our sex life and the lack of communication and intimacy only increased the gap between us sexually. I am sure we would have made more progress had THAT specific area been addressed. It is an area where our differences have been highlighted and that causes pain for both of us.

I was insistent that we only see a Christian counselor (would have preferred a Catholic, but didn’t find any) but now I understand that part of the problem was that my husband felt ganged-up on and could not cooperate in that situation. The counselor and I were speaking a common language that my husband does not speak. So in your case, I would be open to a secular counselor that is excellent at what he does, WITH THE CAVEAT that you always have to be aware of any bias toward divorce. It should not happen with a true professional - they should always work for the client’s goals and not their own agenda - but everyone has his/her biases. After 2 separate tries at counseling with the same therapist, I gave up and will let DH contact the next therapist if we decide to try again. We saw one for our son that he liked a lot, I’m willing to cooperate because if there is a good rapport on his part, perhaps we will get farther along.

The risk, of course, remains that DH will discover that he really just wants out of the marriage in the end, but that could happen without counseling too. 🤷
 
I’m just so afraid of bringing it up because I can see he has been trying so hard for the last month (except for the horrible religion bashing episode last week) and he would probably feel like I am rejecting his efforts and not believing in us. Or something. DH is a sensible soul 🤷
Maybe I could bring it up in the near future, after things have calmed down even more and the way we communicate is more relaxed.
That sounds like a valid concern; obviously you have insight into your husband’s perspective. That’s admirable!

One option could be to start with individual counseling–Dr. Gregory Popcak suggests this if one spouse isn’t interested in participating. His institute does offer tele-counseling; perhaps they would even consider Skype. exceptionalmarriages.com/services.htm
What was your experience of marital counceling? How does that work? What are people expected to do? What is supposed to happen during the process? I know that you can only tell me about your own experience, but maybe it could give me an idea of what to expect, as a general guideline.
We went to pre-marital counseling for a few sessions with a private counselor–not exactly for marriage preparation purposes, but for exploring some other issues. The counselor used a family dynamic approach, where we were each invited to answer different questions about our siblings, parents and grandparents, in each other’s presence. At first I really didn’t understand the purpose of it, and I was thinking “Why are we talking about them, when we’re here to talk about us?” But I quickly learned the value of it. By doing that, she drew attention to an unhealthy dynamic that was the same in both families, and that also happened to be unacknowledged in both families. This was very useful for us in becoming aware of how the lack of acknowledgement was affecting our relationship.

We also had some “homework” assignments, where we would have to reflect on a question and come back for the next session with few thoughts jotted down for discussion. I felt that that exercise helped draw us closer together–it was somehow encouraging for both of us, I think, to observe how the other made an investment in doing the “homework.”
 
I wouldn’t agree with this.
Most atheists I know would nevvvvver come to see the Catholic as representing “God Himself” and fight with them as tho they are fighting God…mostly because they don’t think this “God” exists.
I don’t think they are worried about being “sucked in”, either. Not at all.
I think they truly feel the Catholic has been brainwashed and fooled. And the fighting attitude is the frustration of seeing that in a loved one, and the anger at the people who did this to her/him.
Such an atheist would be gravely mistaken, because brainwashing typically involves isolating a person from friends and family, pressuring a person to accept a certain body of information while at the same time preventing conflicting information from being available to a person, physically and/or verbally abusing a person, and other coercive techniques. Such activities do NOT take place when people are considering entering the Catholic Church or have entered the Church.

In fact, people are encouraged to analytically examine teachings and philosophies that conflict with Church teaching so that they may make informed decisions and willingly assent to Catholicism if they choose to do so.

Further, people are free to leave the Church–and sadly, some do (often after not having done due diligence in researching or examining whatever point they found to be problematic).

Yes, such an atheist would be gravely mistaken if s/he held the view that brainwashing takes places under the auspices of Catholicism.
 
You sound like a smart, strong woman! You will persevere and be okay!
Thank you, I appreciate that.

You are right about choosing someone with the same beliefs and values. I do love my husband and appreciate him as a person, but had I known some years ago how things would develop, I would have thought harder about my decision. This is not about feelings of love towards someone but about very real challenges that we now face. Having the same beliefs, values and goals would make things much easier.
 
Daisybee and RealJuliane,

thank you for sharing.

Some of the things that you mentioned my husband and I have started implementing in the way we communicate. I know this will be a long process and not always an easy one. At least we have come to the realisation that we both want this marriage to survive and that we don’t want divorce. We both have to accept certain dissappointment that I believe is completely normal in marriage. One day you realise that the person you married is not all you have imagined them to be. That can be very difficult and can lead some people into resentment and anger, and even direct those feelings toward themselves. I have decided to drop the “I wish I had only known/ done x/ not done y/ etc. before I got married”. It serves no purpose and it will not get me closer to my husband. Things are what they are and with God’s help this messy situation can be turned into something good. I really believe this, although some days more than others.

I am going to adoration tonight and will have a lot to lay in front of our Lord’s feet.
 
I think they truly feel the Catholic has been brainwashed and fooled. And the fighting attitude is the frustration of seeing that in a loved one, and the anger at the people who did this to her/him.
Such an atheist would be gravely mistaken, because brainwashing typically involves isolating a person from friends and family, pressuring a person to accept a certain body of information while at the same time preventing conflicting information from being available to a person, physically and/or verbally abusing a person, and other coercive techniques. Such activities do NOT take place when people are considering entering the Catholic Church or have entered the Church.
In my experience most atheists who were not raised Catholic have no clue. Some think we are all brainwashed and dumb becays they are poorly informed and not interested in finding out the truth about how things work. I have had many conversations with nice, well meaning atheists who believe very bizzare things abut us.

But as Juliane pointed out, some people do fight against God and the Church and they aim their anger and frustration at the Catholic in their life.
 
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