My husband is going ballistic - help!

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If your husband is that incredibly mean-spirited about your conversion…is there something else going wrong in your marriage? This level of anger and refusal to communicate might be the symptoms of a larger problem…
 
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Catholic2003:
The Catholic Church doesn’t recognize divorce, so her husband is still considered to be married to his first wife. This is regardless of whether CrisDee is Catholic or not. Thus, it is considered adultery each time CrisDee has relations with him.

The sin of adultery cannot be forgiven while CrisDee continues in her relationship. Absolution is contingent on the intent to sin no more. If CrisDee were to divorce her husband, then she could confess, join the Church, and receive communion.
What if her husband doesn’t have a valid baptism? She did say that his intellectual and religious formation was handled by liberal protestants. Many of the left-leaning sects don’t baptize with a Trinitarian formula, and even some of the more conservative main-line denominations are beginning to say “I baptize you in the name of Jesus.” I was fortunate that my Lutheran baptismal certificate had “Baptized in the Name of the Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit” printed on it. Whew (Not that the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod is gonna change their policy of Trinitarian baptisms anytime soon, but they might someday)!

I was under the impression that if one or both parties in a marriage are unbaptized, then the marriage is not considered to be a sacramental marriage. Just a thought, and I’m sure it’s one of the first questions the diocesan marriage tribunal would ask. I mean, it would be nice if we could say that we can just accept all protestant baptisms as valid, which might have been possible 50 years ago, but now we need to be a little more cautious! Maybe this guy’s baptism is invalid and it’s a non-issue.​

Anyway, with that said… CrisDee, know that I am praying fervantly for you and all who encounter hostility and persecution because of their decision to enter into full communion with the Catholic Church. It’s a situation that I’m all too familiar with…
 
ChrisDee: You asked for help; I’ll see what I can give.

First, I would seriously consider putting your journey on the back burner. Notice, I didn’t say quit. But it needs to get off the boil. From what you said, further action at this time is most likely going to precipitate either physical violence, or him moving out. Neither will strengthen your marriage. God loves you where you are; and if you are being led on a journey to the fullness of truth, you will get there in God’s good time. It doesn’t need to be your time.

Second, I would apologize. Not for seeking the truth. That needs no apology, and doing so is something he would see right through. The apology isn’t a game, or a means of manipulating him to a position you want. You simply and sincerely need to apologize for upsetting him. Keep it to the issue at hand. You tripped his trigger, unknowingly, but tripped it, and he went nuclear. It isn’t an issue of who is right. It is an issue of what you did upset him. He needs to know that you love, respect, and care for him, that he is your best friend, that you have upset him, and want to apologize. It should not get into a “who’s right” discussion. Just apologize. If he vents, go no more than yes, un hunh, I understand, I apologize. Do not get drawn into a “discussion”, as that will go nuclear forthwith. Do not get pulled into making promises, other than, perhaps, you will go much more slowly in your journey. Indicate to him that his opinion and feelings are important to you. But keep it to an apology.

Third, find a marriage counselor. You need a Christian one; someone who values marriage (a Catholic one might be nice, but just because they are Catholic doesn’;t make them good). You do not both need to go, but you need someone who can help you professionally. Your friends advice will lead directly to disaster, I can guarantee. You may need several sessions; they can help you to see if you can come to the point of both of you going. It may be that all you will need is sufficient time for this to wind down to “I really don’t like it, but I respect your integrity”. But from the sound of it, you are going to need professional help to at least learn how to deal with his overreaction to this.

You have somewhat of a “Hobson’s choice” in terms of Church law. It is entirley possible you would not be allowed to join the church until your marriage was “regularized”, that is, until he submitted to an annulment proceedure. Thus, the issue becomes moot. Or, it could be that a priest would allow you to enter the Church. But if you are seeking the truth, here it is: If you are in an irregular marriage, and having intercourse with your husband, you may not receive the Eucharist, as your state is that you are having intercourse with a man who is recognized by the Church as having another wife in a presumed sacramental marriage. The other option would be to live as brother and sister; that is, no intercourse. From your description, that is not even a possibility.

Does he have children by the prior marriage? That was my guess, from his reaction (most people, including a whole lot of Catholics, don’t understand that an annulment has nothing to do with legitimacy). I wouild also guess that his first wife left him; he sounds as if he is terrified this is happening again.

No matter. Do not give up hope. Do not give up faith, or your journey. Get help. God loves you both. I will keep you in my prayers.

By the way, I was a divorce attorney for 12 years; my advice comes from a whole lot of experience. I hope it helps.
 
This sounds very painful. I will say a prayer for you.

I think you should stick to your guns. Could all this anger and fear be a front to ignore his past? Does he not want to deal with his own sin?Hopefully when the dust settles and the emotions simmer down he will listen to reason. Take care,
 
I posted this to you over in Meet and Greet and will post it again here.

Good Morning

Catholicforlife gave excellent advise. Have you discussed your situation with a Priest? I certainly would.
I do not, for a minute think God would ask you to destroy your marriage. I do not think He would want you and your husband fighting over Him.
A husbands rightful place is as Spiritual Head of the family. I have been taught this all of my Catholic life. You married him knowing he was Protestant, and from what I gather, so were you. You were as ignorant about the Catholic faith as he is. I can relate, because I am also a convert coming out of very anti-Catholic Protestant background. My parents acted just like your husband many years ago. They told me they would rather see me dead than Catholic. That really upset me because I know they meant it.
It was only by grace I found the Truth and it is only by grace you have. You must pray that God also gives that Grace to your husband. When I first was converted, I wanted to share this Truth to the world. Especially those I loved. I crashed and burned trying. I finally quit and just prayed. I prayed daily for my families conversion and never said another word to them about it. Guess what, all but a few members of my family are now Catholic. One by one God touched them with the Truth. Not in my time but in His.
Please read I Corinthinans Ch 13 on love. Then put it into practice every time you talk to your husband. I am not trying to be critical of you, I hope you don’t think that. It is just so important that your marriage is not damaged. Families are very fragile and at the same time very important where Church is concerned.
I think with Prayer and being a wonderful example of a Christian wife, your husband will come around.

 
Hi Cris,

My husband didn’t exactly go ballistic but he made remarks constantly about the Catholic church. It frightened me, sometimes thinking he was a worker for satan. One of the RCIA instructors must have sensed it because she suggested I not push him in any way. It’s been 4 years and now he attends mass, even when I’m working and has actually moved toward becoming a member too.

My prayers will be for you and your husband!

I almost forgot my point:o Recently, he admitted to me, he doesn’t feel worthy of God so I think Della’s(??) suggestion of fear may be correct.
 
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CatholicNerd:
What if her husband doesn’t have a valid baptism?



I was under the impression that if one or both parties in a marriage are unbaptized, then the marriage is not considered to be a sacramental marriage.
If one or both of the parties is unbaptized, then the marriage is not sacramental, but it is still a (presumably) valid marriage. I’ve seen the term “good and natural” applied to this kind of marriage.

In terms of tribunal possibilities, in addition to annulment, a good and natural marriage may also be dissolved by either the Pauline or the Petrine privilege (depending on the baptismal status of the first wife). However, these additional possibilities also require the cooperation of the husband with the marriage tribunal, so this would not be an immediate solution to CrisDee’s problem.
 
I will offer this simple piece of advice. Pray for him, but not in the usual manner. Tell him that you are going to pray for him and then pick a time and place where he is present and pray out loud so that he can hear you. A good time is after saying grace before a meal, or at bed time, kneel at the bed where he is lying and say your prayer loud enough so that he will hear it. Keep it simple, like, “Please father help my husband come to know and love you, I ask this in the name of Jesus, Amen” God Bless!!
 
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BruceH:
I will offer this simple piece of advice. Pray for him, but not in the usual manner. Tell him that you are going to pray for him and then pick a time and place where he is present and pray out loud so that he can hear you. A good time is after saying grace before a meal, or at bed time, kneel at the bed where he is lying and say your prayer loud enough so that he will hear it. Keep it simple, like, “Please father help my husband come to know and love you, I ask this in the name of Jesus, Amen” God Bless!!
To tell the truth, Bruce, I think this would make him angrier…Most people who think they are right about a religious matter do NOT want others to pray for them to change…at least not in their presence, or out loud. IMHO, I think this husband would consider such prayers to be very offensive, and would make him more stubborn in his beliefs…Just a thought.
 
It’s all a matter of what they have been taught as children. Maybe that is where this attitude comes from?

My fiance’s family is anti-catholic (except for his gramma who is catholic, but not practicing). They consider the pope to be anti-christ and all that stuff. When they found out I was considering catholicism they started asking all these stupid questions like “how can you follow a church that abuses children?” I just answered “the priests abused the children, not the church and you get a child abuser in every vocation, teachers, police officers, doctor’s…it’s not just isolated to the church you know?”
After I answered all these questions convincingly enough for them, they haven’t objected.
My fiance is more supportive now then ever, he even bought a me few books on catholicism and has offered to attend mass with me when i need a ride. He asks a lot of questions, and I actually taught him the rosary the other day.

If I were you I would continue your journey to rome. Tell you husband straight up that you will be joining the church, that you will become a practicing catholic whether he likes it or not. Tell him the you appreciate that he is looking out for you but that because he hasn’t given any educated reasons why you shouldn’t join, then you are going to. This may open up actual discussion (hopefully). Also, tell him that you don’t appreciate the way he treats you and how you argue whenever this topic arrises so you won’t be bringing the topic up to him anymore. Ask him if he would let you practice your faith without argument if you don’t bring it up to him. After a few days of him seeing you pray or read things on catholicism but not answer his questions, he’ll become mroe peaceful about it.

You know your husband way better than i so you would know if this will work. But if you do this please tell him how much you love him and make sure he knows that that will never change.

I do also recommend that you find someone spiritual to befriend for good advice and growth!! I don’t know who suggested it but it was a great idea!!
 
Blessings, CrisDee ~

I converted 4 years ago… and fortunatly, my non-Christian husband was overwhelmingly supportive.

My simple advice is ~ Continue your journey, do not ‘back-burner’ it… but be an outstanding example of a Christian to your husband, and allow him to work out his own salvation* in the shadow of your faith. You are a * great witness to him, and you must trust and follow Christ.
Although you cannot recieve the Eucharist - go to Adoration and recieve Him spiritually, and love Him there. Pray for your situation in front of the Blessed Sacrament, and be patient.
Pray for the intercession of our Lady and St. Monica!
Finally yes, get the good counsel of a caring priest or spiritual director.
Don’t get overwhelmed in the details ~ but be patient.
Peace and all good ~
 
Ridesawhitehorse,

That is good advice!!

I too think that you should show your love at adoration. Because you are willing to put Jesus first but sacrifice the eucharist, most likely shows Jesus that you really do love him. Just keep praying that yoru husband will agree to an annulment but if not, your sacrifice will be noted, I’m sure!!
 
You should DEFINITELY read “Rome Sweet Home” by Scott and Kimberly Hahn. Dr. Scott Hahn teaches at Franciscan University at Stuebenville, OH (a renowned Catholic institution of higher learning) and has written several books defending the faith. However…they are both converts, and Scott converted before his wife. Kimberly had HUGE HUGE HUGE issues with Scott becoming Catholic…she speaks of her temptation to leave him, especially when she was at her lowest point in not understanding where he was coming from. But, God is good, and he does change hearts! Kimberly became a Catholic and they have raised six holy children together, and both are still very active in ministry. It’s an awesome book.

Also, please get into therapy. catholictherapists.com

Don’t despair, God has called you to the Church very purposefully. But remember that we are called to also do all things in love–perfect love casts out fear (2 Jn). Screaming and fighting with our spouse, even matters of the faith, is not acceptable. Do what you need to do to keep peace within your home–short of denying Jesus. Remember, St. Monica prayed for her son’s conversion throughout the duration of her life…and her son turned away from his evil ways and became cannonized as well, recognized as the great St. Augustine. Perhaps you could also read “Story of a Soul–The Autobiography of St. Therese of Liseiux”–it is a beautiful memoir of a very special saint (who is also one of the Big 5 intercessors—check out her novena!) who loved Jesus with simplicity, practicing simple ways to love our Lord and His creation. We do not have to be overly demonstrative to be noticed by our Lord. It is the little things we do that carry great merit and are recognized by Jesus. Let your spouse see your faith in all you do–let him come to know a sense of peace and serenity that is only felt through coming home to Jesus in His Church. Your peace will eventually be VERY attractive to your husband and he will begin to ask himself what it is that is making you so deliriously happy 🙂 Remember, Christ has no hands but our hands! No feet but OUR feet! Be Christ here on earth–especially to your spouse!
 
ChrisDee,

You have my prayers. This hurts, just reading about it.

But if your husband is normally a really sweet person, why don’t you ask him to sit beside you on the sofa, take his hand in yours, look him in the eye and say, “I don’t expect you to share my experience, but I did expect you to respect it. This hurts. What can I show you, say, or do to help you understand why I’ve come to this point in my life? To help you be easier in your mind with it?”

You may find that you will need to – at least publically – slow down your acceleration toward the Church for a while. It took me six years to work through various inner conflicts and outer impediments to being received into the Church – my time frame is not that unusual, and the delay is definitely a time when the beauty and truth of the Church gets driven home in a Very Big Way.

Something is definitely upsetting your husband that goes deeper than he’s telling you. It’s up to you to find out what, and to answer to it. Tenderness, sweetness, and (possibly long) patience are the key.

God bless you.
 
Although I’m not married (yet!:)) I run into a similar situation with my uncle. He and I are very close, and in fact we are very alike, but NOTHING gets him more agitated than my very Catholic lifestyle. Thus far, I have tried to be a good example and clarify any misconceptions he may have (and want to have cleared up) about the church, but it is not easy. So what can we do but submit ourselves to the Lord?

Thank you for posting this thread. It has reminded me how important my prayer is for him and my whole family who need to see the Truth, only God and help them with that.

God Bless you and you’ll both be in my prayers. :yup:
 
While the husband in the op doesn’t come over as somebody with whom it is easy to sympathize and while this is a Catholic board, it does seem to me that something important is being missed.

What if your spouse turned up saying that he or she had repeated “I testify that I believe in no God but God, and that Mohammed is the messenger of God” (the conversion ceremony) before the requisite Moslem witnesses and that, from now on, you were just going to have to deal with it?
 
“You tripped his trigger, unknowingly, but tripped it, and he went nuclear. It isn’t an issue of who is right. It is an issue of what you did upset him. He needs to know that you love, respect, and care for him, that he is your best friend, that you have upset him, and want to apologize.”

You know…the husband needs to calm himself down and act in a mature manner. Just because his wife “tripped his trigger” doesn’t mean he has to follow through and freak out. He needs to pull himself together and not go ballistic and work through this with his wife like an adult. He’s the one that should be doing a lot of apologizing. This advice set a few warning bells ringing! Why should anyone have to roll over, show their belly, and allow the other person to “go nuclear” because, oh boo hoo they got upset? This just encourages the other person’s selfish immature behavior. They both need to work this out and the husband needs to show respect for the fact that his wife is a grown woman and has the right to make decisions without him acting like a spoiled child and throwing a fit.

Even if, God forbid, a spouse was to become Muslim this would not be an excuse to throw a fit and treat him/her like a dog. Two words to the husband: GROW UP.
 
Michelle: I don’t disagree with you that the husband needs to calm down, act rationally, act like and adult, say he is sorry, etc. But if you want to suggest the dynamic that she is right and he is wrong, then you are suggesting a dynamic that is going to backfire, and I really believe, big time.

Roll over and show her belly? Allow the other person to go nuclear? you might read my suggestions again. I don’t make any suggestion that she allow him to go nuclear; he already went. I am trying to give some advice as to what to do now. She can play the confrontational card, and she just might find herself in a divorce. I really don’t think that’s where she wants to go; and I don’t think he really wants to either. But more confrontation is going to force him farther and farther into a corner.

There was a Hollywood sappy song about “Love means you never have to say you’re sorry”. Life is a bit different. This isn’t a battle she picked; it’s the one she got. We all might be a lot farther ahead to read Paul again; Love is patient. Love is kind. I don’t recall Paul saying that love means you throw gasoline on a fire, and her journey to Catholicism is doing just that.

Of course marriage doesn’t mean treating someone like a dog. Of course he needs to grow up and act like an adult. I don’t really see anyone questioning that. And I certainly didn’t, and don’t. Her question was, “help, what do I do?”, and I suggest that attacking him (which is how he will see this) is only going to make matters worse.

From what she related, he is acting with a great amount of fear; anger is an emotion that often, if not most often, is an overlay for another, deeper emotion which is not being directly addressed. My suggestions are meant to calm things down so they can get to whatever that, or those issues are.

There are more flies drawn to honey than to vinegar. All too many divorces start with two people having to be “right”, when the issue is most often something else. Her apologizing to him for upsetting him is an act of humility and love, not “rolling over and showing your belly”. I haven’t seen too many divorces where one spouse was truly loving toward the other. Have you?
 
I totally agree with your suggestions about being “right” vs. “wrong” and how much damage that does.
 
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Of course marriage doesn’t mean treating someone like a dog. Of course he needs to grow up and act like an adult. I don’t really see anyone questioning that. And I certainly didn’t, and don’t. Her question was, “help, what do I do?”, and I suggest that attacking him (which is how he will see this) is only going to make matters worse.

From what she related, he is acting with a great amount of fear; anger is an emotion that often, if not most often, is an overlay for another, deeper emotion which is not being directly addressed. My suggestions are meant to calm things down so they can get to whatever that, or those issues are.

There are more flies drawn to honey than to vinegar. All too many divorces start with two people having to be “right”, when the issue is most often something else. Her apologizing to him for upsetting him is an act of humility and love, not “rolling over and showing your belly”. I haven’t seen too many divorces where one spouse was truly loving toward the other. Have you?
I’m going through the same boat. I’m starting classes next month and my wife is really not interested in converting, so it’s been tough. We’ve had some heated arguments about it. For me, personally I haven’t been talking about it to her. I let her know that I was going to convert and would try to make it as easy as possible to work around the issue, but I made it clear I was going to do it. Since then, I haven’t talked about it, brought it up to her or pushed the issue with her.

I definitely agree with OTM here. I had to ask my wife to accept me for who I am. After all our years of marriage, I’ve never seen us so divided on an issue, so I sympathize.

Only she can make the choice of whether to go through with it or not. I had to look at myself and my family long and hard with my conversion. I knew God’s answer couldn’t be for us to divorce over it. But I also knew that to disobey His calling me into the Church was a huge issue as well. My personal choice was to commit to conversion and if my wife chose to leave me, then that was her choice and she would have to live with that, not me. Obviously there are individual issues that every distinct family faces. Mine might be really different than hers.

For example, I went to mass for the first time this past Sunday. I simply told my wife I was going to make sure I liked the parish and so on. When I got back, I didn’t say a word about it. My wife asked me a ton of questions!! She would say, “how was it?” I would say, “it was really nice” and no more. She would say, “were the people nice?”. I would say, “yeah, very friendly” and leave it at that. See my point? I didn’t elaborate unless she asked. That way, she didn’t feel like I was pushing my newfound beliefs and stuff on her. It has made a huge difference to work things this way. Maybe this way can help you?

I would never recommend to her that she do one way or the other, though she has asked it. Only she knows if her marriage can handle it - if the kids can handle it - what’s going to happen one way or the other. I know it’s tough. God bless. Hopefully you can see in my post some help.
 
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