My Husband Wants to Send our Lesbian Daughter to a Conversion Camp

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Conversion camps tend to be full of horror stories. I can share some if you want. Why not look into Encourage rather than risk a relationship with your daughter?
 
It is a mortal sin. Even if you disagree with venial and mortal sins, then you must agree on what the Bible says:

”Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men“ - 1 Corinthians 6:9
 
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It is a mortal sin.
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Yes it is. However one must take into account sincerity. A Franciscan monk, very conservative and learned, once told me if you can stand before God and tell Him you don’t understand why something is a sin and you can’t see anything wrong with it, He will understand and not blame you for it. Perhaps that’s the situation with the OP’s daughter.

In any case we don’t know, and can’t know. What we do know is conversion camps have a long track record of physical and psychological abuse, along with such things as forcing people to watch pornography. They ruin relationships with people’s parents, they ruin lives, suicide rates etc.
 
The difference is, she may not know it’s wrong. But her mother (or any of us supporting it) might/do know better and are therefore enabling it and are part of the sin also.

Conversion camps should be illegal. Period.
 
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Frankly, you both sound off the deep end in opposing ways. In other words, both parties are wrong here. Also, I hate to say it but I’m having difficulty believing this is even real. Color me skeptical.
 
I remember reading horror stories of these conversion camps.

The most egregious was gang rape of a girl.

Nothing like gang rape by a bunch of men would make a woman switch from being attracted to women to being attracted to men.

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Your opinion, then.
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Indeed. Whose opinion did you expect?

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
Annie said:
God’s.
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Hmmm. What makes you think I know God’s opinion? Or, if I did, and knew that I knew that I did, would disseminate it casually, over this interweb thing, before I came to know you all, better?

Best wishes, 2RM.
 
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I think I’d point out that camps meant to bend children to the wills of their parents usually have the effect of alienating the child from the parents. If your child is overweight and is sent to a “fat camp” against her will, is she going to come home with her weight problem solved? No, she’s going to have both the weight and a problem with you. What if you send your son to a military school to re-make him? No, not so much. Unless perhaps when the alternative is an extended period of juvenile detention, these “immersion experiences” ought to be reserved for young people who want an immersion experience for themselves.

Ask your husband what the greatest spiritual struggle of his life has been. Ask how it would go if you told him tomorrow to pack his bags, because you’re sending him to a camp you’ve chosen to fix him, and that you’re keeping him there until he’s been fixed.

Even if he didn’t like that aspect of his personality, he has to see how that might harm a relationship. If it is a part of him that he likes in spite of what others tell him the Bible teaches, well…how would that go? Oh, yeah, he’d feel so loved and so understood by you. He’d be overcome by the mercy of God. What could possibly go wrong?

Christians who experience same-sex attraction do turn away from genital expressions of those attractions in favor of devoting themselves entirely to the Kingdom of God. This doesn’t come from a place of being written off as a defective human being.
 
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Fornication is grave MATTER. In order for it to be mortal sin, it must meet the other two conditions as well. We have no way of knowing the culpability of any person, sometimes we need spiritual guidance to know our own culpability.

For a person who has no faith in God, it is all together possible that they have far less culpability of sin (the confusion of having mom believe one thing, dad believe the opposite, often ends in a young person who has no faith at all.)
 
I suspect that same sex attraction cannot be altered by natural means.

Parents have spiritual authority over their children. The prayers of parents for children are very effective. Pray and sacrifice for your daughter.
 
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