My John Kerry vote

[jasmine]

norbert:

Is it still a mortal sin for me to have voted for John Kerry? It doesn’t look like GWB is going to appoint the appropriate activist judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade. It seems to me that a vote for GWB can no longer be considered morally superior to a vote for JK - if anything, it is now a morally inferior vote, since Kerry wouldn’t have the blood on his hands from an unnecessary war. All those people who consulted those “Voting Guides for Right-thinking Catholics” in order to know what they needed to think and do were duped by ole George, no?

I supported wholeheartedly John Kerry because I do not believe Republicans are sincerely pro-Life or will make abortion illegal. They will never do so because they know the political repercussions. There is also no difference in attitudes between Kerry and Bush on civil unions and Sen Frist supports stem celll research.

Unfortunately Pro-Life is being equated with anti-Roe V Wade which wont make abortion illegal just goes back to states who would keep current laws. Realistically, Republicans will not put out a congress bill to outlaw abortions federally.

What is the next best thing—commonsense policies to make abortion RARE by solving root causes of unwanted pregnancy–especially socio-economic causes and here Democrats are the best to do that. In fact Democrats for Life has a 95-10 plan to decrease Aborton rate by 95% by 10 years and it does not include artificial contracption.

I was against Iraq War, death penalty, and want a government helping poor and disenfranchized and disabled–which Pope John Paul preached and Jesus preached.

Now,I am proven right with the appointment of Miers.

When will Pro-Life groups learn that Republicans are just using them? Ask Republicans point blank, " will you work to make abortion to be criminally outlawed 100% and I doubt you will find many Republican politician to do that. It wont happen because it is political suicide for them.

 

[Brad]

norbert:

Is it still a mortal sin for me to have voted for John Kerry? It doesn’t look like GWB is going to appoint the appropriate activist judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade. It seems to me that a vote for GWB can no longer be considered morally superior to a vote for JK - if anything, it is now a morally inferior vote, since Kerry wouldn’t have the blood on his hands from an unnecessary war. All those people who consulted those “Voting Guides for Right-thinking Catholics” in order to know what they needed to think and do were duped by ole George, no?

Kerry guaranteed a pro-abortion justice. So it would be ojbectively wrong to vote for him unless his oponent was promoting, say, genocide of 1 million Hispanics (for example).

 

[Brad]

jasmine:

I supported wholeheartedly John Kerry because I do not believe Republicans are sincerely pro-Life or will make abortion illegal. They will never do so because they know the political repercussions. There is also no difference in attitudes between Kerry and Bush on civil unions and Sen Frist supports stem celll research.

So you wholeheartedly support the party that embraces, funds, and works to legalize all kinds of immorality and murder because you would rather be intellectually honest than stop the immorality and murder?

jasmine:

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Unfortunately Pro-Life is being equated with anti-Roe V Wade which wont make abortion illegal just goes back to states who would keep current laws. Realistically, Republicans will not put out a congress bill to outlaw abortions federally.

Putting it back to the states is where it belongs - where the people can decide whether it should be legal or not. Right now, nobody can pass a bill to outlaw abortion because of Roe V. Wade. I’d say it would be extremely fortunate if this were to be overturned. What is unfortunate is so-called pro-lifers that do not want it overturned. This makes no logical sense.

jasmine:

What is the next best thing—commonsense policies to make abortion RARE by solving root causes of unwanted pregnancy–especially socio-economic causes and here Democrats are the best to do that. In fact Democrats for Life has a 95-10 plan to decrease Aborton rate by 95% by 10 years and it does not include artificial contracption.

The Democrats practice that socio-economic problem solver of handing out condoms in schools. This encourages more sexual activity. Last I checked, sexual activity leads to “unwanted” pregnancies. I’ve yet to see anyone forced to engage in sexual behavior outside of rape.

They also have a fabulous socioeconmic plan of supporting Planned Parenthood which murders babies for profit and then puts that profit back into the pockets of Democrat politicians so they can retain power. How this helps blacks in cities such as Philadelphia where approximately 50% of their babies are put to death, I haven’t quite figured out.

Planned Parenthood also will not report rape and sexual abuse in an effort to protect sexual predators which keeps that socioeconomic system of demand (more pregnancies to be aborted) continuing to keep business going. Of course, it does have economic benefit because it produces more jobs for Planned Parenthood.

The Democrats’ welfare plan has worked so successfully for the past 50 years that we now have entire segments of cities that are dependent on government revenue and still poor. Yet the abortion rate remains high.

Other liberal social policies such as no-fault divorce and legalized and plentiful pornography have a funny way of increasing unwanted pregancies across all economic classes.

They’ve been so successul in schools with the ABC program that now kids think oral sex is cool and communicative. Whereas unwanted pregnancies may not increase with this behavior, unwanted sexual disease has sure taken a sharp turn upwards which doesn’t tend to benefit such famies economically.

jasmine:

I was against Iraq War, death penalty, and want a government helping poor and disenfranchized and disabled–which Pope John Paul preached and Jesus preached.

Where did Jesus mention the disenfranchised? When did Jesus or the Church say the death penalty is always wrong? When did Jesus say it was the government’s job to help the poor?

jasmine:

Now,I am proven right with the appointment of Miers.

Huh?

jasmine:

When will Pro-Life groups learn that Republicans are just using them? Ask Republicans point blank, " will you work to make abortion to be criminally outlawed 100% and I doubt you will find many Republican politician to do that. It wont happen because it is political suicide for them.

And it is political suicide for Democrats not to promote homosexual immorality, child sex, and the murder of babies.

 

[BlindSheep]

To put it simply, neither you nor I have the ability to see into the future. With the knowledge I had at the time, I voted for the canditate who seemed likely to do more to oppose abortion; you voted for one who openly supported abortion. Once the election is over, it’s out of our hands. If Bush betrays those who voted for him, it’s on his head alone.

 

[Thekla]

Hildebrand:

That’s great! Next time when an active KKK member runs for office in Louisiana, there is nothing immoral or unethical about supporting and helping that person get elected. Our vote is our vote and we get to do whatever we want with no moral consequences such as the fear of committing a sin for supporting a cross burning, Catholic-hating, Jew-hating, black-hating person.

Makes me want to get Mr. Duke to run for governor all over again.

Yikes! Talk about changing my words! I think it’s that whole free will thing that has you in such a tizzy. As I said, we are taught to think for ourselves and apply Catholic teaching. And in the end we get to (gasp!) choose for ourselves. You can have Mr. Duke; my faith points me in a different direction.

 

[miguel]

Thekla:

Yikes! Talk about changing my words! I think it’s that whole free will thing that has you in such a tizzy. As I said, we are taught to think for ourselves and apply Catholic teaching. And in the end we get to (gasp!) choose for ourselves. You can have Mr. Duke; my faith points me in a different direction.

Yes, I can freely choose to vote for baby killers. I can freely choose to join them all in hell. But my faith points me in a different direction.

 

[Bella3502]

jasmine:

I supported wholeheartedly John Kerry because I do not believe Republicans are sincerely pro-Life or will make abortion illegal. They will never do so because they know the political repercussions. There is also no difference in attitudes between Kerry and Bush on civil unions and Sen Frist supports stem celll research.

Unfortunately Pro-Life is being equated with anti-Roe V Wade which wont make abortion illegal just goes back to states who would keep current laws. Realistically, Republicans will not put out a congress bill to outlaw abortions federally.

What is the next best thing—commonsense policies to make abortion RARE by solving root causes of unwanted pregnancy–especially socio-economic causes and here Democrats are the best to do that. In fact Democrats for Life has a 95-10 plan to decrease Aborton rate by 95% by 10 years and it does not include artificial contracption.

I was against Iraq War, death penalty, and want a government helping poor and disenfranchized and disabled–which Pope John Paul preached and Jesus preached.

Now,I am proven right with the appointment of Miers.

When will Pro-Life groups learn that Republicans are just using them? Ask Republicans point blank, " will you work to make abortion to be criminally outlawed 100% and I doubt you will find many Republican politician to do that. It wont happen because it is political suicide for them.

I never believed for a minute that Bush was pro-life. But he had to say that because he wanted to be President. Over his terms he has become just another PLINO republican. In other words, he lives a lie. I may not agree with a lot of politicians but I have more respect for those who in the very least tell the truth. Bush has never done this. I think once you start lying about one issue, it’s easy to continue in other areas.

I voted for Kerry too. I don’t think it was a mortal sin. And if it was, then it has to be an even bigger one to vote for someone who lies and says they are something that they are not.

Miers is as pro-life as Bush, and that means she is not.

 

[miguel]

Bella3502:

I never believed for a minute that Bush was pro-life. But he had to say that because he wanted to be President. Over his terms he has become just another PLINO republican. In other words, he lives a lie. I may not agree with a lot of politicians but I have more respect for those who in the very least tell the truth. Bush has never done this. I think once you start lying about one issue, it’s easy to continue in other areas.

I voted for Kerry too. I don’t think it was a mortal sin. And if it was, then it has to be an even bigger one to vote for someone who lies and says they are something that they are not.

Miers is as pro-life as Bush, and that means she is not.

You may be right about Bush, Miers, et al. But people like me who voted for him took him at his word…“would appoint justices in the mold of Scalia and Thomas.” We may be suckers. Only time will tell. But we voted in good faith. A vote for Kerry could never be a vote in good faith. You knew going in that he would protect baby killers. I can’t understand how anyone could vote for someone like that and sleep at night.

 

[MommaKat]

Bella3502:

I never believed for a minute that Bush was pro-life. But he had to say that because he wanted to be President. Over his terms he has become just another PLINO republican. In other words, he lives a lie. I may not agree with a lot of politicians but I have more respect for those who in the very least tell the truth. Bush has never done this. I think once you start lying about one issue, it’s easy to continue in other areas.

I voted for Kerry too. I don’t think it was a mortal sin. And if it was, then it has to be an even bigger one to vote for someone who lies and says they are something that they are not.

Miers is as pro-life as Bush, and that means she is not.

John Kerry is a pro-abortion Democrat. He doesn’t like women or children. Abortion kills the baby and injures the woman (mother). Believe me I know first hand. I would have never given my vote to a person who has no idea of the injury his believes cause.

Women have done so well with this liberal agenda. Women and children live in poverty because the war on poverty made husbands and fathers unwanted. Women are used and abused by the porn industry. Women are seen as objects not as the person that God created.

So vote for Kerry or Hillary if you must but remember that there are many many people who have and will be injuried by their policies. They also will make certain that with the United State help it will be spread throughout the entire world by the United Nations.

 

[Thekla]

miguel:

Yes, I can freely choose to vote for baby killers. I can freely choose to join them all in hell. But my faith points me in a different direction.

I’ll be happy to have you join me in Heaven; it’ll be good to see you.

 

[miguel]

Thekla:

I’ll be happy to have you join me in Heaven; it’ll be good to see you.

If God lets baby killers and their supporters into heaven, I don’t want to go there.

 

[MommaKat]

miguel:

If God lets baby killers and their supporters into heaven, I don’t want to go there.

Please don’t condem us all. It is the biggest regret of my life. I have named my children and have given them to God. My biggest fear is that I will never get to meet them. I have repented from this grave mortal sin and believe that God in his mercy has forgiven me! I think that we should not condem everyone who has made this error. I wouldn’t vote for someone who would want to continue the exploitation of women and children. If others are blind and cannot see crime against human rights that abortion is that is their own curse. If they won’t stand up against evil it will destroy them in the end. I would not want to be destroyed that way because it is eternal.

 

[Thekla]

miguel:

If God lets baby killers and their supporters into heaven, I don’t want to go there.

Not want to go to Heaven? I hope that you will be missed.

 

[Bella3502]

MommaKat:

John Kerry is a pro-abortion Democrat. He doesn’t like women or children. Abortion kills the baby and injures the woman (mother). Believe me I know first hand. I would have never given my vote to a person who has no idea of the injury his believes cause.

Women have done so well with this liberal agenda. Women and children live in poverty because the war on poverty made husbands and fathers unwanted. Women are used and abused by the porn industry. Women are seen as objects not as the person that God created.

So vote for Kerry or Hillary if you must but remember that there are many many people who have and will be injuried by their policies. They also will make certain that with the United State help it will be spread throughout the entire world by the United Nations.

ProAbortion Democrat or PLINO Republican = same thing. At least Kerry was man enough to say where he stood in this issue. Bush is the master pretender, who has no problem lying when he gets caught. When he finds the WMD’s, then I will believe that he is pro-life. He won’t find one and he will never be the other.

 

[Hildebrand]

Thekla:

As I said, we are taught to think for ourselves and apply Catholic teaching. And in the end we get to (gasp!) choose for ourselves.

But, if I were to choose Mr. Duke, would it be wrong for a Catholic priest or someone with authority to tell me that I am sinning? (Do I get to decide what is a sinful action for myself?)

On the death penalty, it is up to the state to apply Catholic teaching regarding the capital punishment.

I may be wrong, but don’t you believe capital punishment is, a priori, an evil act? Or do you agree with the teaching of the Catholic Church that the state can think for itself and apply the principle of double effect and other Catholic principles when deciding whether the death penalty or warfare should be used or not?

 

[Thekla]

Hildebrand:

But, if I were to choose Mr. Duke, would it be wrong for a Catholic priest or someone with authority to tell me that I am sinning? (Do I get to decide what is a sinful action for myself?)

On the death penalty, it is up to the state to apply Catholic teaching regarding the capital punishment.

I may be wrong, but don’t you believe capital punishment is, a priori, an evil act? Or do you agree with the teaching of the Catholic Church that the state can think for itself and apply the principle of double effect and other Catholic principles when deciding whether the death penalty or warfare should be used or not?

I know it’s maddening to many Catholics that we will be judged based upon what was in our own hearts and not based upon what others believed of our actions and conduct. But in answer to the question of whether or not you get to decide what is a sinful action for yourself, the answer is a maddening yes. That doesn’t mean that others don’t see your behavior as sinful and shouldn’t try to convince you otherwise. And we hardly can determine whether what people tell us is what is actually in their hearts; only God can do that.

I’m not sure what you mean about the state thinking for itself. The state is not a human being with a conscience and the decisions that are made are not individual decisions but rather state decisions. That doesn’t mean that “the state” shouldn’t consult Catholic principles; I think that it should. However, my reason for thinking that has more to do with my belief that Catholic just war theory, for example, has been rigorously thought through, examined, challenged, and changed over a long period of time; that so much moral thinking has been put into it that anyone else would just be trying to remake the wheel.

 

[MommaKat]

Bella3502:

ProAbortion Democrat or PLINO Republican = same thing. At least Kerry was man enough to say where he stood in this issue. Bush is the master pretender, who has no problem lying when he gets caught. When he finds the WMD’s, then I will believe that he is pro-life. He won’t find one and he will never be the other.

I have great pity for you. You can’t see the forest for the trees. You are so aligned to a party mentality that if the Dems told you that the moon was made of green cheese and Bush is destroying it you would believe it. The President of the United State is not perfect but at least he is not funding the UNPFA which is all about spreading abortion throughout the world. He is against UNAID which hands out condoms in Africa so that the spread of aids continues unabated. He funds the ABC program which has decreased the number of new aids cases in Uganda.
I don’t vote a party. I vote on issues. At this point in time the greatest injustice in the world is ABORTION. The greatest supporters of ABORTION is the DEMOCRAT party.

 

[Hildebrand]

Thekla:

But in answer to the question of whether or not you get to decide what is a sinful action for yourself, the answer is a maddening yes.

Is that for all sins?

BTW, The OP slammed the voter’s guide provided by Catholic Answers. Catholic Answers did not tell people who to vote for, they provided assistance for Catholics wondering about how their faith and the teachings of the Catholic Church should aid in their decision making process.

Thekla:

I’m not sure what you mean about the state thinking for itself. The state is not a human being with a conscience and the decisions that are made are not individual decisions but rather state decisions.

Actually according to the Roman Catechism, the exact words are “civil authorities”, not the state. They are also referred to as “legitimate temporal authority”.

Another kind of lawful slaying belongs to the civil authorities, to whom is entrusted power of life and death, by the legal and judicious exercise of which they punish the guilty and protect the innocent. The just use of this power, far from involving the crime of murder, is an act of paramount obedience to this Commandment which prohibits murder. The end of the Commandment is the preservation and security of human life.

http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/trent/tcomm05.htm

I find it strange the same people who are all for telling our leaders how to do their job, object to the notion of a guide to help in the election of those same leaders.

Can’t the leaders think for themselves and make their own choices? Or is that morally limited and exclusive to voters only?

Voters actions have consequences, they elect leaders.

 

[allhers]

We are REQUIRED to form our conscious in light of the teachings of the Catholic Faith, not just say, “hey, if you think it’s right for you then it’s alright.”
Please understand the difference.
For example, to form your conscious in light of the ten commandments, one of them is
Thou shalt not kill. (that means that abortion is killing, its murdering an innocent life.) A just war could be self defense, its not murdering an innocent life that can’t help itself. Yes, I know that innocent lives are taken during war time, war is hell and if you believe anything our dear Blessed Mother said, she said, War is punishment for sin.
Gee, so, someone thinks its ok to have an abortion and then they wonder why we have wars going on. Make the connection yet?
(and for those who have REPENTED of their sins, I am sure that the love and mercy of God has let them know that they have repented.). Ask anyone who truly REPENTED of their sin if they would do it again, most would say, “I’d rather die than commit that sin ever again.” Repentence changes hearts and souls and conforms them to God’s will, not their own.
As for why I didn’t vote for Kerry, I don’t think I want a President who thinks its o.k. for me to choose to kill my baby so that I could live my life however I saw fit, if I didn’t want a baby, I wouldnt be doing what it takes to have one. That’s pretty simple.

 

[Bella3502]

=MommaKat] The President of the United State is not perfect but at least he is not funding the UNPFA which is all about spreading abortion throughout the world.

Link please… The Bush group just wants to to believe that… He is doing nothing there too.

He is against UNAID which hands out condoms in Africa so that the spread of aids continues unabated.

So what if he is against something. So he is a “big Man” cause he is against something in another country and does nothing about abortion here? PLINO here means PLINO everywhere.

He funds the ABC program which has decreased the number of new aids cases in Uganda.

Again, Link please… everyone who follows the AIDS crisis in Africa knows that statement is not true.

I don’t vote a party. I vote on issues.

Good for you. That’s the way it should be.

At this point in time the greatest injustice in the world is ABORTION. The greatest supporters of ABORTION is the DEMOCRAT party.

That may be true, but they are enabled and supported by all the PLINO Republicans, starting at the top with Bush.