My New Roman Missal from Midwest Theological Forum (lots of pics)

[alwayslooking]

OK, folks … I need your help here.

I was talking to my mother this week and remarked to her about the weight of the new MTF Daily Roman Missal (1lb 15.4oz) that I recently purchased. She also bought a Daily Roman Missal (unknown publisher) from Amazon.com that was delayed in shipping. Being in her mid-seventies I told her that it was probably too heavy for her. I found out today that she is going to refuse delivery of the missal and has already received the shipping label to return the item.
I feel bad that I discouraged her form purchasing a Daily Missal. However, my parents are weekly Mass attendees and do not go to daily Mass so it would be a waste of money anyway.

My question is: has anyone purchased/received a Sunday Only Missal (minus the weekday readings)? I would expect that this edition would be quite a bit lighter/thinner.
I would like to buy my mom and dad a weekly Missal for Christmas. A few websites I’ve found have a shipping date of 30 DEC.

Does anyone know of a website that has this edition to be shipped immediately? I would like to order one ASAP for delivery by Friday or Monday next week as we live in different states but will be travelling to their house for Christmas on Tuesday the 20th.

Pauline Press will be publishing the St. Paul Missal in a Sunday only version early next year. I talked to one of the Sisters of St. Paul earlier this month she said that they are really going to be beautiful and showed me a brochure. Having used the Catholic Book Publiching Co.'s permanent missal in the past; I’d say get one of the annual Sunday missal’s until the St. Paul comes out.

 

[alwayslooking]

Sadly, I have to send my Burgundy Bonded Leather copy back today because of a printing error. Several pages were printed incorrectly. Good news is that Amazon already has another one on the way!!! So let it be known that Amazon has this edition in stock.

 

[odile53]

So, for those who use the MTF and Scepter missal pictured in the first post, where do you keep your ribbons? How do you set them up? I have been experimenting and kinda like this set up…

First (white): Mass of the day, currently Advent in the front of the book
Second (yellow): Introductory Rites
**Third (red): **Best guess at the preface of the day
**Fourth (purple): **Best guess at the eucharistic prayer for the day.
**Fifth (green): **Communion rite
**Sixth (blue): **Prayer of St. Thomas Aquainas before (and after) communion

I’m sure I’ll modify this as I the verbiage of the new Mass translation becomes more ingrained, and one or two of the ribbons for the order of Mass might be used for other things. But for now, this seems to work OK for me.

Anyone have a different setup? Is anyone still playing with ribbon placement? Having’ thought about it yet? Any ideas? I still havn’t look at the liturgical calendars much or explored all the prayers in the back.

-Tim-

I put the blue ribbon in the Proper of Saints section, in front of the next upcoming feast day. I like your idea about putting it by the St. Thomas Aquinas prayers, so I’m going to insert a holy card at that spot.’

I don’t want to derail this thread, but has anyone found a source for a good book cover (for those of us who couldn’t exercise the virtue of patience and got the hardcover edition?) I don’t care much for the Bible covers with handles along the spine that seem to be ubiquitous on the websites, and am considering making a cover for my hardcovered Missal.

 

[FLGreg]

So, for those who use the MTF and Scepter missal pictured in the first post, where do you keep your ribbons? How do you set them up? I have been experimenting and kinda like this set up…

First (white): Mass of the day, currently Advent in the front of the book
Second (yellow): Introductory Rites
**Third (red): **Best guess at the preface of the day
**Fourth (purple): **Best guess at the eucharistic prayer for the day.
**Fifth (green): **Communion rite
**Sixth (blue): **Prayer of St. Thomas Aquainas before (and after) communion

I’m sure I’ll modify this as I the verbiage of the new Mass translation becomes more ingrained, and one or two of the ribbons for the order of Mass might be used for other things. But for now, this seems to work OK for me.

Anyone have a different setup? Is anyone still playing with ribbon placement? Having’ thought about it yet? Any ideas? I still havn’t look at the liturgical calendars much or explored all the prayers in the back.

-Tim-

I had never owned a Missal before and that is about how I have placed the ribbons:

White – Proper Time/Advent (right now ready for 4th Sunday of Advent)
Gold – Order of the Mass
Red – Prefaces - this Sunday we use Preface II of Advent (17DEC to 24DEC)
Purple – Eucharistic Prayer II (celebrants have been using this one the past three weeks)
Green – Proper of the Saints (currently 13DEC/St. Lucy, Virgin & Martyr)
Blue – Page 2299 of the MTF Missal – Midday Prayer (Angelus) and can go on to Evening Prayers/Examination of Conscience and Preparation for Mass from there.

Also, thank you everyone for the advice on purchasing a Sunday Missal for my parents.

 

[TimothyH]

I put the blue ribbon in the Proper of Saints section, in front of the next upcoming feast day. I like your idea about putting it by the St. Thomas Aquinas prayers, so I’m going to insert a holy card at that spot.’

I don’t want to derail this thread, but has anyone found a source for a good book cover (for those of us who couldn’t exercise the virtue of patience and got the hardcover edition?) I don’t care much for the Bible covers with handles along the spine that seem to be ubiquitous on the websites, and am considering making a cover for my hardcovered Missal.

I carry my “Holy books”, rosary, etc. in an iPad carry case. It is my spiritual “Kit.” I do have a concern about leaving it on the car seat and it getting stolen. The look on the guys face when he opens it and instead of an iPad he finds a Roman Missal would be priceless.

I would also be interested in a good cover or small carry case for this book. Along with my leather zippered Bible, this is about the most expensive book I have ever purchased. Even a small velvet bag or something similar would be good. Right now I store it in the kitchen cabinet where I keep my watch, car keys, rosary, copy of the Little Office and other personal items.



-Tim-

 

[MissRose73]

I have requested the 2012 St Joseph Missal and I will get it at Xmas as I asked my parents for it among a few other items. The price is right for sure. Someday, I will get the Missal for the Ordinary Form that reflects the changes, etc.

 

[JC_Nixon]

I have used Magnificat for years, I use it for Morning & Evening prayers and it goes to daily Mass with me. I really love it and all the ‘extras’ every month. So I have been really torn with getting the Roman Missal, I have gotten as far as putting one in ‘my cart’ and then never finished the transaction My dilemma? I don’t want to give up my Magnificat and I don’t want to spend the money on the RM and then not utilize it fully. Thought I had made the decision not to make the purchase, but now after reading this thread, I am on the fence again!! Any feedback would be most appreciated!

 

[Windmill]

I don’t want to derail this thread, but has anyone found a source for a good book cover (for those of us who couldn’t exercise the virtue of patience and got the hardcover edition?) I don’t care much for the Bible covers with handles along the spine that seem to be ubiquitous on the websites, and am considering making a cover for my hardcovered Missal.

http://www.renaissance-art.com/images/Options/Title/closure_covers2.jpg

Renaissance Art

I recommend the strap for “Closure Style”. It’s worth the extra $5.

 

[JGMendes4049]

I have used Magnificat for years, I use it for Morning & Evening prayers and it goes to daily Mass with me. I really love it and all the ‘extras’ every month. So I have been really torn with getting the Roman Missal, I have gotten as far as putting one in ‘my cart’ and then never finished the transaction My dilemma? I don’t want to give up my Magnificat and I don’t want to spend the money on the RM and then not utilize it fully. Thought I had made the decision not to make the purchase, but now after reading this thread, I am on the fence again!! Any feedback would be most appreciated!

One of these?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Probably a really stupid question

it doesn’t have Lauds and Vespers in it, too, does it?

EDIT: Q#2: Does this exist as an iPad app?

 

[JGMendes4049]

Probably a really stupid question

it doesn’t have Lauds and Vespers in it, too, does it?

EDIT: Q#2: Does this exist as an iPad app?

No, but there are many other prayers. Here is a preview of the table of contents and a few other pages in it.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

No, but there are many other prayers. Here is a preview of the table of contents and a few other pages in it.

Thank you so much!

 

[connorkeef]

EDIT: Q#2: Does this exist as an iPad app?

If you mean is there an iPad app for the Missal, there is. It is free and called iBreviary. You have to download all of the days as you need them but it is a very good app.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

If you mean is there an iPad app for the Missal, there is. It is free and called iBreviary. You have to download all of the days as you need them but it is a very good app.

I use iBreviary for the LotH. Didn’t realize this until later. Duh

Thanks!

 

[torinx]

Yes, both Sunday for all three years of the cycle and weekday for both years.

Sorry if it has been answered already Art, but the commons for the feasts are toward the back. Look in the table of contents for “Proper of the Saints.” These go from about page 1730 to about page 1975. The Freast of the Immaculate Conception is in the Proper of the Saints.

For most Masses, the priest has options for Preface and Eucharistic Prayer. There are guidlines for the priests on which ones are more or less appropriate given the day and occasion, but they have choices. You can usually narrow it down, but at the end of the day, you will just have to get used to what the priest likes. My priests do Eucharistic prayer 1 for most daily Masses.

-Tim-

Tim,

THANK YOU! It was kinda funny. After fumbling around and not finding the materials for the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception last Thursday I went to Friday morning Mass and quickly found the materials for the Optional Memorial for St. Juan Diego on the 9th and there it was, the materials for the IC Solemnity in the Proper of the Saints as you describe!

It’s interesting that they collect all the Solemnities for Ordinary Time beginning on p. 1635 in the Proper of Time, but they don’t collect the Solemnities for any other season in the Proper of Time. But I suppose it makes sense to have IC in the Proper of Saints since it’s a Marian celebration.

The materials for the day in the Proper of Time identify the Preface to be used for the day. Recently it seems it’s always Preface I of Advent. The choice of Eucharistic Prayer appears to be, as you describe, the priest’s choice. I was reading a little about this in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal and there’s some complicated instructions on choosing which prayer to use (see Ch. VII, Section 365). Our priest seems to shoot over to Eucharistic Prayer III for morning mass quite often, probably due to time constraints, but I’m not sure about this. A pew missal we once used at our church had a little handy guide that showed what page to jump to when the priest started his prayer by showing the first couple words and the page it started on in the missal. I should probably make my own little jump table, else not worry about reading it so much as listening.

Art

 

[torinx]

I have used Magnificat for years, I use it for Morning & Evening prayers and it goes to daily Mass with me. I really love it and all the ‘extras’ every month. So I have been really torn with getting the Roman Missal, I have gotten as far as putting one in ‘my cart’ and then never finished the transaction My dilemma? I don’t want to give up my Magnificat and I don’t want to spend the money on the RM and then not utilize it fully. Thought I had made the decision not to make the purchase, but now after reading this thread, I am on the fence again!! Any feedback would be most appreciated!

JC,

I’ve used the Magnificat for years too and really like it. I like all the additional readings. I like what they’ve been doing with blessings recently. I guess using Magnificat vs. the Roman Missal (vs. a pew missal) is just a matter of personal preference.

It’s a bit complicated to find the Mass parts in the RM. It definitely takes some learning and practice. I’m still fumbling a bit with my new RM, but I’m learning it. The RM has some very nice additions to it you won’t find in the Magnificat or other subscription missals. For example, a huge variety of Mass materials for special masses, a chapter on devotions and prayers, a chapter on prayers before Mass, and sections on daily morning and evening prayer. There’s no liturgical music for High Mass in it as you would find in a pew missal. Magnificat has a little bit of music but not a lot.

The RM also provides the Order of the Mass in Latin. So if you go to a Novus Ordo Mass in Latin you’ll have the ordinary at least. Magnificat doesn’t provide this. This may not be important to you if you don’t go to Latin Mass. Anyway, they usually have Latin pew missals around for the Latin masses, which are just fine. Neither the MTF RM or Magnificat have the Tridentine mass as far as I know (perhaps they publish it separately - don’t know).

The Magnificat is very convenient. Everything is orderly. They’ve done all the work of gathering each day’s Mass parts for you. It’s easy to use. The RM is very rich and definitely more complicated to learn and use. For the RM I find that I need to spend a little time at home before heading to church just getting my ribbons in place for the day’s materials.

I’m a bit of a traditionalist and like the thoroughness of the RM, plus I don’t mind the complexity. If you prefer simplicity and convenience stick with the Magnificat. In my mind you’re not missing anything by using the Magnificat (or some other subscription service) or a typical pew missal.

Frankly, sometimes it’s just good to put all the books down and just open your ears and your mind and listen to the prayers being said and the hymns being sung and let God’s Spirit run through you and simply enjoy being with Him.

Peace and All Goodness,

Art

 

[torinx]

So, for those who use the MTF and Scepter missal pictured in the first post, where do you keep your ribbons? How do you set them up? I have been experimenting and kinda like this set up…

First (white): Mass of the day, currently Advent in the front of the book
Second (yellow): Introductory Rites
**Third (red): **Best guess at the preface of the day
**Fourth (purple): **Best guess at the eucharistic prayer for the day.
**Fifth (green): **Communion rite
**Sixth (blue): **Prayer of St. Thomas Aquainas before (and after) communion

I’m sure I’ll modify this as I the verbiage of the new Mass translation becomes more ingrained, and one or two of the ribbons for the order of Mass might be used for other things. But for now, this seems to work OK for me.

Anyone have a different setup? Is anyone still playing with ribbon placement? Having’ thought about it yet? Any ideas? I still havn’t look at the liturgical calendars much or explored all the prayers in the back.

-Tim-

Tim,

Right now I have:

First (White): Mass of the day in the Proper of Time (today is Thurs, 3rd Week of Advent).

Second (Yellow): Introductory Rites (p. 713).

Third (Red): Preface I of Advent (p. 732) (only because it’s used more frequently at the moment in Advent, even on memorial days)

Fourth (Purple): Eucharistic Prayer III (p. 791) (just because our priest uses it a lot at daily mass, but I’m thinking of making a jump table for myself as I described in an earlier post).

Fifth (Green):Saint of the day in the Proper of Saints (but I need to consider plunking it at the Communion Rite on p. 811 - at the end of the Eucharistic Prayer it’ll tell you to skip to p. 811 anyway).

Sixth (Blue): Somewhere in the Commons depending on the memorial or solemnity.

A Prayer Card: On p. 2311, Prayers Before Mass (because I like to get to church a little early and meditate on a traditional pre-Mass prayers. Note that this section begins with the Prayer of St. Ambrose who authored many of the Mass’ prayers - fascinating write-up on him in Wikepedia by the way).

Pax et Bonum,

Art

 

[Jguerra]

First look:
I
received the DRM December 13 and I must say, it looks impressive, dignified as if by appearance alone with its gilded pages and padded cover, it bespeaks of the sacred mysteries written within. As I’m writing this at my work cubicle, my Baptist co-worker, always in a hurry stopped in mid-stride and actually picked up the missal and marveled ever so slightly. I opened the book to today’s Mass and pointed out the scripture citations from entrance to communion antiphons. Her smile grew as she started penning down the verses for later reference. I simply mentioned that these “bible passages” and “verses of praise” get us ready for Christmas every day.
“Thanks,” she smiled, “I needed this.” and hurried away. On my way out the door, the security guard wanted to take a look. Even by its looks, it beckons one to ponder the Paschal Mystery.

The front of the missal is decorated with a Chi-Rho, neither too flashy nor understated; the co-publishers imprinted their respective logos on the spine and the ISBN callouts are on the back cover. My black hardcover 6th edition seems Spartan by comparison.

The new missal is a tad larger that its predecessor, meaning the hunt is on for a new missal cover.

My older missal had wider ribbons which laid flat within the pages easily. The newer edition has the same number of ribbons but are much thinner. I’m thinking these may not be user-friendly with the thick-fingered set. Right now, I’ve set the ribbons to the current day in Advent, the introductory rites, Advent preface I, Eucharistic Prayer II, proper of saints and Preparation for Mass. To keep them from fraying, I’ll dab the ribbon ends with a little Shoe Goo®; when the adhesive dries, it form a convenient grip. The 7th edition has sixteen blank pages, eight on either end of the text proper. I’m bilingual and I found some Avery® clear labels on which I’ve printed some popular devotions in Spanish (and Latin!). I applied these to the blank pages so I wouldn’t have to carry a separate devotional.

The text:

There is a concerted effort to conserve space throughout the new DRM. The illustrations are larger, but fewer. The 6th edition lists 51 acknowledged drawings, the current missal, 32. The previous text has a lot more blank spaces throughout. Here, the printing eliminates empty spots wherever possible. Pope Clement XI’s Universal Prayer is printed in its entirety yet is one page shorter than in the 6th edition.
I’m disappointed to find the Chaplet of Divine Mercy eliminated from the *Devotions and Prayers *section. The *Ordinary of the Mass *includes only the four principal Eucharistic Prayers. Gone are the EPs for Masses with Children and of Reconciliation. The only blessings remaining in the *Devotion and Prayers *section appear to be Grace before Meals and scapular of Mt. Carmel. In the 7th edition, the section containing prayers at the time of death has been shortened considerably.
I
n an email, MTF editor-in-chief Jeffrey Cole explained,
“the binding of the missal dictates a certain limitation on the number of pages. As the new English translation of the Roman Missal was considerably longer than the previous translation, we had to eliminate nearly 100 pages from the sixth edition. Hence, every effort was made to save space, and some parts, as you noted, had to be eliminated from the sixth edition, especially in the prayers and devotions section.”
With that in mind, the new missal contains the solemn blessings and Prayers over the People used at the concluding rites.

Areas of improvement:

When I first received the 6th edition of the DRM in 2005, I pointed out to the editors that the opening sentence of the Prayer of St. Bonaventure had a typo. It should read, “Pierce me. . .with the. . .wound of your love.” It was rendered *". . .on your love." *The error is repeated in the current edition (page 2320).
To those indisposed to receiving Holy Eucharist at Mass, I thought it would be nice to have the Spiritual Communion prayer (p. 2339) and the Prayer of Reparation (p. 2338) at the end of the Prayers before Mass section (p. 2317).
I took up the Liturgy of the Hours in my collegian years and it irks me to see the *Canticle of the Three Children *(p. 2328) have its antiphon repeated at the end of Psalm 150 instead of the end of the canticle proper.

I recognize that having a missal is not absolutely necessary for assisting at Mass. You and I both know holy souls who attend the liturgy empty-handed and yet leave our celebrations soaring on the heights of divine consolations. However, a great number of us need the missal to keep us grounded, connected, to the mysteries of our salvation. The DRM fills in the gaps created by poor sound systems and nervous lectors. The sight of the missal at home reminds me to pause and reflect on the daily readings or seek encouragement from the saint of the day. I’ve led only one rosary wake and I’m grateful for the prayers and the litany within to anchor me during the time of sorrow. I’m grateful for having a missal and the positive impact it has on my relationship with Christ.

 

[odile53]

Okay, guys. Found a source for a vinyl cover for the new MTF DRM:

Go to this website, and get their contact information:

sacramentals.com

These folks work with a lady who makes the vinyl missal covers like the ones for the Tridentine missals, but they don’t have the missal covers for MTF listed on their site. You have to contact them, and they will have her make up one for your DRM. It’s similar to the slip-on vinyl ones for the Latin books. That’s exactly what I wanted. I just needed something to protect the book from the elements during the sprint from the parking lot to the church in our famous New York State weather! I imagine if this lady is making small quantities, they will be a little more expensive than the mass produced ones that they have for the Tridentine books, but it’s worth it to protect my investment in the missal itself.

They also sell additional ribbon marker inserts that slip into the spine of the book, if you’re ribbon-challenged.

You can keep the ribbon ends from fraying by quickly flaming the cut ends through a match or lighter flame. Move the ribbon end through the flame fast. You just want to slightly melt the very end of the ribbon, not actually cause ignition.

My current “missal cover” is a plastic grocery bag

 

[TimothyH]

The materials for the day in the Proper of Time identify the Preface to be used for the day. Recently it seems it’s always Preface I of Advent. The choice of Eucharistic Prayer appears to be, as you describe, the priest’s choice. I was reading a little about this in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal and there’s some complicated instructions on choosing which prayer to use (see Ch. VII, Section 365). Our priest seems to shoot over to Eucharistic Prayer III for morning mass quite often, probably due to time constraints, but I’m not sure about this. A pew missal we once used at our church had a little handy guide that showed what page to jump to when the priest started his prayer by showing the first couple words and the page it started on in the missal. I should probably make my own little jump table, else not worry about reading it so much as listening.

Art

There is just so much to learn about this book. The guys in my parish who are Opus Dei carry it everywhere, never see them without it. I can see that this book is going to become a good friend over the years.

The jump table is a good idea. Right after the Sanctus…

To you, therfore, most merciful Father… EP1… pp767
It is truly right and just… EPII… pp783
You are indeed Holy, O Lord,… EPIII… pp791
It is truly right to give you thanks… EPIV… pp801

I might print up a little sticker for inside of the front cover with this information but am resisting putting prayer cards, stickers, taping papers t the cover, and adding extra ribbons for a while until I get used to the book and figure it out a little more. Just like you said, else don’t worry about it and just listen.

-Tim-