My observations on the new translation--a little tongue in cheek

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Four months into the new translation, I have made the following observations:
  1. People are generally doing all right. There are a few rough spots. For example, people want to add “one” before “consubstantial with the Father.” It’s like a really small hiccup in the Creed.
  2. Things generally break down during the Sanctus (and this is from attending Mass, both Sunday and Daily, at four different parishes). It’s pretty standard. It’s the bell curve. I’ve observed people running in about five different directions (I fall into the third group):
  • Correct Version (about 25 percent of people): Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of Hosts.
  • Old Version (about 25 percent of people): Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of power and might.
  • Incorrect but try to correct (about 20 percent of people): Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of power and hosts.
  • Correct but get pulled off base by people who got it wrong (about 20 percent of people): Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of hosts and might.
  • People who are completely lost and just are jumbling words together (about 10 percent): Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of hosts…power…might…universo… dominus deus sabboeth…help…
  1. Everyone seems to be on the same foot during the Memorial Acclamation. I think that this is because it’s either totally new wording (A&C) or substantially (consubstantially? pardon the pun) the same wording (B).
  2. Another place where every goes off in different directions is in the “Lord I am not worthy” where people go take off in directions similar to the Sanctus. I think that happens because no one has their misselettes or prayer sheets out because they’re kneeling.
 
😃

I heard someone on the radio make a similar comment:

“And with your Spirit” - about 25% of the congregation
“And also with you” - about 25% of the congregation
“And also with your Spirit” - the remaining 50% 😉
 
Corki said:
😃

I heard someone on the radio make a similar comment:

“And with your Spirit” - about 25% of the congregation
“And also with you” - about 25% of the congregation
“And also with your Spirit” - the remaining 50% 😉
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There’s also the group I belong in…

“And also with you er Spirit”
 
PacoG said:
Four months into the new translation, I have made the following observations:
  1. People are generally doing all right. There are a few rough spots. For example, people want to add “one” before “consubstantial with the Father.” It’s like a really small hiccup in the Creed.
  2. Things generally break down during the Sanctus (and this is from attending Mass, both Sunday and Daily, at four different parishes). It’s pretty standard. It’s the bell curve. I’ve observed people running in about five different directions (I fall into the third group):
  • Correct Version (about 25 percent of people): Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of Hosts.
  • Old Version (about 25 percent of people): Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of power and might.
  • Incorrect but try to correct (about 20 percent of people): Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of power and hosts.
  • Correct but get pulled off base by people who got it wrong (about 20 percent of people): Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of hosts and might.
  • People who are completely lost and just are jumbling words together (about 10 percent): Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of hosts…power…might…universo… dominus deus sabboeth…help…
  1. Everyone seems to be on the same foot during the Memorial Acclamation. I think that this is because it’s either totally new wording (A&C) or substantially (consubstantially? pardon the pun) the same wording (B).
  2. Another place where every goes off in different directions is in the “Lord I am not worthy” where people go take off in directions similar to the Sanctus. I think that happens because no one has their misselettes or prayer sheets out because they’re kneeling.
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🙂 Nobody kneels during the ‘Lord I am not worthy’ part so that’s no excuse in my parish.

For the most part the changes seem to have integrated fairly well. I hear a few: and also with yous… and a few bumps elsewhere but nothing as systemized as you’ve mentioned. haha.
 
What always gets me is the phrase ‘it is right and just’. And with your Spirit is common enough so it didn’t take as long. As for the creed I don’t even try. I just follow along with the card in the pews!
 
I’m fine with the responses now…for the most part anyway. However, I still do not like the priest’s new changes…especially the changes to the Eucharistic Prayer. The language is not our vernacular. The previous Sacramentary was not perfect but it made for better prayer.
 
I’m not hearing much of these at my parish-- we seem to be getting it right. Father takes care to remind us.

BTW, love the new translation, both the people’s parts and the priest’s parts. Great improvement all around.
 
drforjc said:
I’m not hearing much of these at my parish-- we seem to be getting it right. Father takes care to remind us.

BTW, love the new translation, both the people’s parts and the priest’s parts. Great improvement all around.
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Still struggling on how consubstantial is better than “one in being with”.
Consubstantial is one of those words you only see on the SAT.
 
Anna_Claire said:
I’m fine with the responses now…for the most part anyway. However, I still do not like the priest’s new changes…especially the changes to the Eucharistic Prayer. The language is not our vernacular. The previous Sacramentary was not perfect but it made for better prayer.
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The Eucharistic Prayer is not for our consumption. It’s directed at God. It isn’t even a prayer we join in. It’s priestly prayer directed to God.

For a thousand years it was said inaudibly and in Latin. And it still can be said inaudibly and in Latin. We don’t have to understand it or “be cool with it.”

That sounds like the typical National Catholic Reporter dribble against the new translation.
 
This thread just made me laugh, thank you 🙂

I hear the same things, and I’m also one of those:

“And with your spirit”… thinking… ‘good good… said it right this time’…

“And also with you”… thinking … 'shoot!.. that was changed… to…hmmm… what???

I just received my new Daily Roman Missal, I’ll be taking it to mass with me so I don’t mess up.

As for the creed, I’ve never fully learned it, and always had to just read it. One of these days!
 
The hardest thing for my parish is the melody to “it is right and just,” but I think they are slowly getting it.

Paco, NCReporter isn’t dribble, but it is the definition of drivel. 😃
 
We are doing pretty well. There are times that I start to say the right response and then think “oh I have to change” But I was right in the first place. The new response are becoming normal to me. I had the most trouble with “right and just”
 
PacoG,

Well said. I have been to only 4 OF Masses since 11-27-11. So its hard for me to make comments. And 2 of those OF Masses were funerals with lots of non-Catholics.

Normally I assist at the TLM.
 
ZoeyBdo said:
I just received my new Daily Roman Missal, I’ll be taking it to mass with me so I don’t mess up.

As for the creed, I’ve never fully learned it, and always had to just read it. One of these days!
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I’d stick to the reading. The next translation might be “consubstantial TO the Father” among other things. I’m just guessing, though. 🤷
 
I’ve noticed that at feast days and other ‘big’ days the number of people saying “and also with you” increases a lot compared to ‘regular’ Sundays. 😛
 
ZoeyBdo said:
As for the creed, I’ve never fully learned it, and always had to just read it. One of these days!
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I would stick to reading it. Who knows, one of these days they may change the wording to “consubstantial TO the Father” as they did in the real old missals. I still think the dative case in the Latin (Patri) was an oversight.
 
PacoG said:
*]Correct Version (about 25 percent of people): Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God of Hosts.
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Even when I’m right I’m still wrong.

The music setting we use is very VERY similar to the one for the old translation with a few small (but had to remember) changes to fit the new text.

So what was once:

Holy, Holy, Hooooly, Lord
God of power and might

Is now:

Holy, Holy, Holyyyyyy
Lord God of Hosts

So I end up singing the old setting with the right words. 😛

Holy, Holy, Hooo - mental facepalm - lyyyyyy
Lord God of Hosts.
 
I dearly love the new translations, because the language is ELEVATED. It is not the common vernacular, and thank God for that! We should always give our very best to God. This is true of objects used at Mass (i.e. we use ornate metal chalices, not ceramic coffee mugs) and our beautifully-decorated church buildings, so why not in our language? I would have gone one step further and restored the use of the second person informal “thou.” It is antiquated English, but it signified the familiar form (like “tu” in Spanish or “du” in German) that one would use for a close family member, rather than the formal “you” used for your boss or the king.
 
Corki said:
😃

I heard someone on the radio make a similar comment:

“And with your Spirit” - about 25% of the congregation
“And also with you” - about 25% of the congregation
“And also with your Spirit” - the remaining 50% 😉
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Except for the Spanish Masses, it’s 100% “Et cum spiritu tuo” at the Masses I go to. And sung too.
 
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